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Reply #30 - Mar 2nd, 2012 at 7:51pm
 
So they sprayed acid in the face of girls who tried to attend school in order to reduce the education budget?
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Reply #31 - Mar 2nd, 2012 at 8:42pm
 
falah wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 7:34pm:
The Taliban wanted schools for girls. They just inherited the poorest country in the World from the Soviets and Western-backed warlords.

The Taliban are not anti-education, but lacked funds to build girls schools and employ teachers.

Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


You are stupider than I thought.

And that's saying something!!!!


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Reply #32 - Mar 2nd, 2012 at 11:44pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 8:36am:
When they disappear there will be an 'update session' button up the top. Use that to fix it.


Thanks.

freediver wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 8:36am:
Can you tell us whether girls attending school in Afghanistan is a victory for the west or the Taliban?


Neither. Islam promotes education for all. If there were elements of the Taliban who opposed this before, then they did so against the rulings of Islam. Everything they seem to be saying now suggests they are not against it. And even before when they were in power, they did permit women to goto school and to work, just not as widely as males. The West lied black and blue about this, yet some Western aid workers who visited Afghanistan during the Taliban's rule, confirmed that girls schools did exist.

This is really a non-issue. The Western propaganda machine just harps on about this to distract people from the real issues. Just like the nonsense about kite flying.
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Reply #33 - Mar 2nd, 2012 at 11:48pm
 
Yadda wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 10:59am:
Google;
attack on school, Taliban claim responsibility
Google;
attack by the Taliban, on school

Yields.....

e.g.
Taliban claim responsibility for school bus attack - World news ...
www.msnbc.msn.com/.../taliban-claim-responsibility-sch... - United States
13 Sep 2011 – Gunmen opened fire on a school bus in the Pakistani city of Peshawar on Tuesday, killing four children and the driver, a police official said.

Kabul 'agreed deal with Taliban' to end attacks on schools, report ...
www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/dec/13/afghanistan-taliban
13 Dec 2011 – Rights groups fear that Afghan education ministry's deal with insurgents could reverse gains of the past 10 years.

Taliban kill head of Afghan girls' school | World news | The Guardian
www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/.../taliban-kill-head-girls-scho...
25 May 2011 – Taliban gunmen have killed the headteacher of a girls' school near the ... The Taliban have not made any public comment on such attacks.


Actually I was looking for a claim of responsibility _from_ the Taliban, not from Western propaganda outlets.

Yes we all know the Western propaganda outlets claim all manner of atrocities in the name of the West's enemies, but given their track record of outright lying, I don't think it's worth the electrons it's printed on.
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Re: Who is whipping who?
Reply #34 - Mar 3rd, 2012 at 8:51am
 
falah wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 7:34pm:
The Taliban wanted schools for girls. They just inherited the poorest country in the World from the Soviets and Western-backed warlords.

The Taliban are  anti-education, but lacked funds to build girls schools and employ teachers.


Do you think people will believe your pathetic attempts to rewrite history?



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Reply #35 - Mar 3rd, 2012 at 9:04am
 
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Neither. Islam promotes education for all. If there were elements of the Taliban who opposed this before, then they did so against the rulings of Islam. Everything they seem to be saying now suggests they are not against it.


Obviously. Otherwise they would be in a situation where invading American forces are the ones restoring Islamic standards. Then even more local Muslims would prefer the American invaders to the Taliban.

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And even before when they were in power, they did permit women to goto school and to work, just not as widely as males.


How widely?

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The West lied black and blue about this, yet some Western aid workers who visited Afghanistan during the Taliban's rule, confirmed that girls schools did exist.


Are they still segregated? Can you elaborate on what counts as a "girl's school"?

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This is really a non-issue.


I think it is important. Why do you think education is so unimportant? Or is it only female education that is unimportant? The Taliban has done immense harm to a genration of Afghans by denying a basic education to so many of them. Why would they seek to make the place even more backwards and ignorant?

Also, you still have not explained why it is not a victory for the west. In my opinion it is something really good that has come out of the war on terror.
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Re: Who is whipping who?
Reply #36 - Mar 3rd, 2012 at 12:09pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 3rd, 2012 at 8:51am:
falah wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 7:34pm:
The Taliban wanted schools for girls. They just inherited the poorest country in the World from the Soviets and Western-backed warlords.

The Taliban are  anti-education, but lacked funds to build girls schools and employ teachers.


Do you think people will believe your pathetic attempts to rewrite history?






Videos from the 1950's & 1960's - but no videos of the Soviet invasion of the 1970's & 1980's or the civil war in the 1990's that destroyed the country before the Taliban came to power.

Look, even Rambo found the Soviet invasion a bit rough:

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Afghan Capital, Kabul, Early '90s Before Taliban:


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So as we can see from the above, the Taliban were not left with much to work with.
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Reply #37 - Mar 3rd, 2012 at 5:43pm
 
falah wrote on Mar 3rd, 2012 at 12:09pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 3rd, 2012 at 8:51am:
falah wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 7:34pm:
The Taliban wanted schools for girls. They just inherited the poorest country in the World from the Soviets and Western-backed warlords.

The Taliban are  anti-education, but lacked funds to build girls schools and employ teachers.


Do you think people will believe your pathetic attempts to rewrite history?






Videos from the 1950's & 1960's - but no videos of the Soviet invasion of the 1970's & 1980's or the civil war in the 1990's that destroyed the country before the Taliban came to power.

Look, even Rambo found the Soviet invasion a bit rough:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5298/5454263025_48245dd7e3.jpg



Afghan Capital, Kabul, Early '90s Before Taliban:


http://www.afghan-network.net/Photography/kabul/kabul-widow2.gif

http://img.izismile.com/img/img3/20100901/640/comparing_afghanistan_2010_640_09....

http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/24111410.jpg

So as we can see from the above, the Taliban were not left with much to work with.


Great way to rewrite history Falah- do you think anyone will believe you.

The Rambo movies were hollywood fiction are you trying to use that movie as evidence? LMAO. Grin

The Peoples Democratic party of Afghanistan-(Pre soviet invasion)
October 1978 -Decree was issued
Compulsory education for girls,Bride price abolished,Minimum legal age for marriage
was set at 16

1979-1989 Afghan soviet war.

1989-1992 Dr Najibullah's regime
The Mujahideen were waging war against Najibullahs communist government during these years.

1992-1996
Mujahideen government and civil war

1996-2001 Taliban rule
In september 1996,The Taliban took over Afghanistan's capital and immediately imposed restrictions on Afghan women.
They were forbidden to work.leave the house without a male escort,not allowed to seek medical help from a male doctor,and forced to cover themselves from head to toe even covering the eyes.
Women who were doctors and teachers were forced to be beggars and even prostitutes in order to feed their families.
During the rule of the Taliban,women were treated worse than in any other time or by any other society

Late 2001
USA Invasion.

Source-http://www.afghan-web.com/woman/afghanwomenhistory.html



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Reply #38 - Mar 3rd, 2012 at 6:00pm
 
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1996-2001 Taliban rule
In september 1996,The Taliban took over Afghanistan's capital and immediately imposed restrictions on Afghan women.
They were forbidden to work.leave the house without a male escort,not allowed to seek medical help from a male doctor,and forced to cover themselves from head to toe even covering the eyes.
Women who were doctors and teachers were forced to be beggars and even prostitutes in order to feed their families.
During the rule of the Taliban,women were treated worse than in any other time or by any other society


Yes it was a glorious time. According to many Muslims, the Taliban rule was the only time in recent history that there was proper Islamic rule on earth.
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Reply #39 - Mar 3rd, 2012 at 8:11pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 3rd, 2012 at 5:43pm:
1996-2001 Taliban rule
In september 1996,The Taliban took over Afghanistan's capital and immediately imposed restrictions on Afghan women.


Restrictions aimed at making women safe from the attacks and abductions that had been widespread under the rule of Western-backed warlords.

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 3rd, 2012 at 5:43pm:
They were forbidden to work.

Untrue, the Taliban themselves employed women in areas such as healthcare, police work, and customs/immigration work. The Taliban were reportedly considering lifting some of the restrictions on working in other areas before the US invasion.

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 3rd, 2012 at 5:43pm:
not allowed to seek medical help from a male doctor
The Taliban had a policy that women should seek out female doctors and nurses first, and if they were not available, then a male doctor could be seen.

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 3rd, 2012 at 5:43pm:
forced to cover themselves from head to toe even covering the eyes.

In the urban areas, due to the rape and abduction of women by Western-backed warlords. By 2001, as safety had improved, the Taliban were beginning to relax the rules on clothing.

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 3rd, 2012 at 5:43pm:
Women who were doctors and teachers were forced to be beggars and even prostitutes in order to feed their families.

You can't get your lies straight. Women were not allowed out without a male guardian, or they were out prostituting and begging? Make up your mind.

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 3rd, 2012 at 5:43pm:
During the rule of the Taliban,women were treated worse than in any other time or by any other society

What a load of crap. The Taliban provided security and safety.

Before the Taliban arrived, Afghani women were being killed, raped and abducted by US-sponsored warlords.

We have seen similar situations in Europe, like when the Soviets occupied Germany and raped 2 million women.

I suppose you think that Jewish women were treated well by European Christians in the 1940's. The Nazi sex factories, and death camps were a stroll in the park.

The Christian Serbs and their rape camps.

The Taliban provided safety and security and were attempting to improve the difficult circumstances that the Afghan were in.
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Reply #40 - Mar 3rd, 2012 at 9:53pm
 
Female British Journalist Tells How Kind Treatment From Taliban Led To Her Becoming A Muslim


Even though she was caught entering Afghanistan without a visa, and spat at Taliban, they treated her kindly.

Part 5:



Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDytiv5L250

Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AaBLJT48A4

Part 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlF9nEa2JBs

Part 4:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dY7oiy0Y9hk

Part 6:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d-6Cd4aOtA

Part 7:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8h5oKb7kdSA

Part 8:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyJPq8i03xE

Part 9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxTJDScPu_E
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Reply #41 - Mar 4th, 2012 at 8:33am
 
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The Taliban provided safety and security and were attempting to improve the difficult circumstances that the Afghan were in.


Does spraying acid in face of girls who attend school improve safety?

Why not leave it up to the women to decide for themselves what safety precautions are necessary? If it was the western backed warlords who were raping these women, why did they need to be 'protected' when the Taliban came into power?
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Reply #42 - Mar 4th, 2012 at 8:45am
 
Are these all lies?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban_treatment_of_women

Women seeking an education were forced to attend underground schools, where they and their teachers risked execution if caught.[4][5] They were not allowed to be treated by male doctors unless accompanied by a male chaperone, which led to illnesses remaining untreated. They faced public flogging and execution for violations of the Taliban's laws.[6][7] The Taliban allowed and in some cases encouraged marriage for girls under the age of 16. Amnesty International reported that 80 percent of Afghan marriages were considered to be arranged by force.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/25/taliban-kill-head-girls-school

Taliban kill head of Afghan girls' school

Government officials say teacher had ignored death threats from hardline Islamists warning him not to teach girls

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/16/us-pakistan-taliban-schools-idUSTRE7AF0GP20111116

Pakistani girls defy Taliban school bombings

(Reuters) - Seven-year-old Marwa cried and shook uncontrollably at the sight of the rubble and shattered glass remnants of her classroom. The Taliban had bombed yet another girls' school in Pakistan.

http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/01/17/pakistani-taliban-force-girls-schools-to-close/

Pakistani Taliban force girls’ schools to close

Taliban militants have banned female education in the northwest Pakistan valley of Swat, depriving more than 40,000 girls of schooling. Last month, the Taliban warned parents against sending their daughters to school, saying female education was “unIslamic”.
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Reply #43 - Mar 4th, 2012 at 9:00am
 
freediver wrote on Mar 4th, 2012 at 8:33am:
Does spraying acid in face of girls who attend school improve safety?


Ummm.... first you'd need to show the Taliban did that.

freediver wrote on Mar 4th, 2012 at 8:33am:
Why not leave it up to the women to decide for themselves what safety precautions are necessary? If it was the western backed warlords who were raping these women, why did they need to be 'protected' when the Taliban came into power?


Because the West continued funding these beasts right up until they finally brought them back to power.
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Reply #44 - Mar 5th, 2012 at 11:30am
 
freediver wrote on Mar 4th, 2012 at 8:45am:
Are these all lies?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban_treatment_of_women

Women seeking an education were forced to attend underground schools, where they and their teachers risked execution if caught.[4][5] They were not allowed to be treated by male doctors unless accompanied by a male chaperone, which led to illnesses remaining untreated. They faced public flogging and execution for violations of the Taliban's laws.[6][7] The Taliban allowed and in some cases encouraged marriage for girls under the age of 16. Amnesty International reported that 80 percent of Afghan marriages were considered to be arranged by force.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/25/taliban-kill-head-girls-school

Taliban kill head of Afghan girls' school

Government officials say teacher had ignored death threats from hardline Islamists warning him not to teach girls

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/16/us-pakistan-taliban-schools-idUSTRE7AF0GP20111116

Pakistani girls defy Taliban school bombings

(Reuters) - Seven-year-old Marwa cried and shook uncontrollably at the sight of the rubble and shattered glass remnants of her classroom. The Taliban had bombed yet another girls' school in Pakistan.

http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/01/17/pakistani-taliban-force-girls-schools-to-close/

Pakistani Taliban force girls’ schools to close

Taliban militants have banned female education in the northwest Pakistan valley of Swat, depriving more than 40,000 girls of schooling. Last month, the Taliban warned parents against sending their daughters to school, saying female education was “unIslamic”.





Clearly, these accounts don't come directly from Taliban spokesmen.

Therefore it is certain that these accounts are just slanderous lies against ISLAM/Taliban.
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ISLAM is so en-mired in its own deceit and its own projected falsehood, that it is impossible to seek clarity and truth, from any ISLAMIC source.




Unfortunately for their own credibility, moslems are well known to be inveterate liars.

Google;
taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit


Google;
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