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Reply #15 - Feb 29^th, 2012 at 8:57pm

fd.. The aim of the U.S was to remove the Taliban and "limit the ability of al-Qaedah to operate". None of these have been achieved, in fact quite the opposite.

The Taliban are more popular in Afghanistan than ever, and are in the process of booting the U.S out, al-Qaedah still operate as they did before and have spawned "inspired cells" all over the world, in fact the U.S only seems to have given them publicity. The "Battle for the hearts and minds" has been an absolute disaster. The Muslim world, once in awe of America now despises her, and most allies even lost confidence in her.

The U.S instead of having an economic resurgence from the war has ended up having a downturn, which has spread to the entire Western world (except the Rudd-led country of Australia).

Perhaps that's a "victory" for the U.S in your mind?

The Taliban had little to lose, so the very fact they've managed to hang on is a great victory. The fact they could hold their own against the sole world superpower is nothing short of miraculous.

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Reply #16 - Feb 29^th, 2012 at 9:33pm

So hanging on is the great victory? Couldn't they have achieved the same thing by going home and waiting for the Americans to leave?

Also, AQ got plenty of publicity with 9/11 and also demonstrated their ability to project power. Since then it all seems downhill. Their operations have only gotten smaller and the Taliban cannot even fight off fellow Afghans. Isn't it true that their ability to control Afghanistan is far less and they will soon be in a position of fighting their own countrymen in a desperate attempt to regain the country, without the Americans even being present?

Would it be fair to say that all they have really achieved is forcing the Americans to stay in Afghanistan for far longer than either the Afghans or the Americans want?

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Reply #17 - Feb 29^th, 2012 at 9:49pm

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 29^th, 2012 at 8:57pm:

fd.. The aim of the U.S was to remove the Taliban and "limit the ability of al-Qaedah to operate". None of these have been achieved, in fact quite the opposite.

The Taliban are more popular in Afghanistan than ever, and are in the process of booting the U.S out, al-Qaedah still operate as they did before and have spawned "inspired cells" all over the world, in fact the U.S only seems to have given them publicity. The "Battle for the hearts and minds" has been an absolute disaster. The Muslim world, once in awe of America now despises her, and most allies even lost confidence in her.

The U.S instead of having an economic resurgence from the war has ended up having a downturn, which has spread to the entire Western world (except the Rudd-led country of Australia).

Perhaps that's a "victory" for the U.S in your mind?

The Taliban had little to lose, so the very fact they've managed to hang on is a great victory. The fact they could hold their own against the sole world superpower is nothing short of miraculous.

The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have absolutely nothing to do with the current economic problems around the world. The cost of these wars is small beer compared to lending to people who can't repay their loans, be their Americans, Greeks, Italians or Irish.

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Reply #18 - Feb 29^th, 2012 at 9:53pm

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 29^th, 2012 at 8:57pm:

The Taliban had little to lose, so the very fact they've managed to hang on is a great victory. The fact they could hold their own against the sole world superpower is nothing short of miraculous.

The only reason they are hanging in there is that the Americans went in for 'nation building' rather than eradication. It would take about 4 weeks to financially and militarily strangle Afghanistan, if the Americans put their minds to it.

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Reply #19 - Mar 1^st, 2012 at 11:56am

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 29^th, 2012 at 6:04am:

The Taliban are not sitting at any table with the invading scum.

Are the Taliban sitting at the table with the puppet governent that was installed by
the USA?

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The Afghan government has done a deal with the Taliban by which the insurgents will end attacks on state schools in return for a more conservative religious curriculum and the hiring of taliban approved mullahs as teachers.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/dec/13/afghanistan-taliban

The Taliban are guilty of war crimes by attacking schools.

Do you think the Afghan schools are a soft target for the Taliban Abu or does it take great bravery and courage to attack a school full of teachers and students?

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Reply #20 - Mar 1^st, 2012 at 12:25pm

falah wrote on Feb 27^th, 2012 at 11:37pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 27^th, 2012 at 10:24pm:

20 dead Americans? That is a great Islamic military victory? We get more Australians dying on the road every Christmas. More Muslims die each month from coconuts falling on their head.

20? That is not what this website says:

http://www.icasualties.org/OEF/index.aspx

2905 US-led soldiers killed in Afghanistan...

Falah can you please insert links so people can click on them without typing them in.

1906 Americans killed in Afghanistan in over a decade.
The Americans probably lost more lives in 1 day on the beach at Normandy compared to 10 years in Afghanistan.
The death toll from 1 day at Pearl Harbour is probably higher than what the Americans have lost in over a decade in Afghanistan.
http://icasualties.org/oef/

The Taliban kill far more Afghans than coalition troops
2009- 1533 civilian deaths caused by the Taliban
2010- 2038 civilian deaths caused by the Taliban
2011 - 2332 civilian deaths caused by the Taliban
2009- 2011 The Taliban caused 5903 civilian deaths in this time period

In 10 years the Taliban killed 1906 American troops
From 2009- 2011 the Taliban slaughtered 5903 Afghan civilians.

The numbers show the Taliban is far more efficient in killing Afghans than coalition troops.

Source- http://unama.unmissions.org/Portals/UNAMA/Documents/UNAMA%20POC%202011%20Report_...

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From 1 January to 30th June 2010 UNAMA Human rights documented 3,268 civilian casualties including 1,271 deaths of which Anti government forces (Taliban) were responsible for 76% of all casualties.

IED and suicide attacks killed 557 Afghans and injured 1,137 in the first 6 months of 2010.IED alone accounts for 29% of all civilian deaths in the period including 74 children.
Source-http://unama.unmissions.org/Default.aspx?tabid=1741&ctl=Details&mid=1882&ItemID=...

The UN say the Taliban are guilty of war crimes.

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Reply #21 - Mar 1^st, 2012 at 12:55pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 11:56am:

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The Afghan government has done a deal with the Taliban by which the insurgents will end attacks on state schools in return for a more conservative religious curriculum and the hiring of taliban approved mullahs as teachers.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/dec/13/afghanistan-taliban

The Taliban are guilty of war crimes by attacking schools.

Do you think the Afghan schools are a soft target for the Taliban Abu or does it take great bravery and courage to attack a school full of teachers and students?

Yes, it does it take great bravery and courage, for moslems to attack a school full of teachers and students.

Clearly.

Otherwise [being ISLAMIC warriors], they would not attack schools, and murder teachers and children.
/sarc off

ISLAMIC warriors in Afghanistan also bravely use IED's to attack infidels soldiers.

....coz ISLAMIC warriors know that Allah is on their side, ........and they have no use for the 72 virgins just yet.
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"In 2006 and 2007, 230 people died from attacks on schools"

Google;

Afghan schools attack, children killed

"Allah Akbar! We proudly kill the infidels the children !!!!!! [.....coz, we are Allah's warriors.]"

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Reply #22 - Mar 1^st, 2012 at 2:38pm

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In 2006 and 2007 ,230 people died from attacks on schools.

The MoE reported that terrorist and insurgent attacks killed 149 teachers,other school employees and students during 2008.

The Taliban are guilty of war crimes for attacking schools.

A report outlining attacks by the Taliban on schools-
http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/docid/4b7aa9e6c.html

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53523 At my desk.	Re: Who is whipping who? Reply #23 - Mar 1^st, 2012 at 5:52pm Surely these were stray missiles targetted at the pentagon or US army bases as part of the Muslims' great victory and not a direct attack on schoolkids. Right Abu? Also Abu, can you tell us whether girls attending school in Afghanistan is a victory for the west or the Taliban?
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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Who is whipping who? Reply #24 - Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 6:01am Please show a single case of an attack by the Taliban on a school.
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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Who is whipping who? Reply #25 - Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 6:04am P.S, not propaganda, a properly documented case of an attack, for which the Taliban took responsibility.
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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Who is whipping who? Reply #26 - Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 6:05am P.P.S fd, again, where has the edit button gone? In fact where have all control buttons gone from this forum (other than quote)?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53523 At my desk.	Re: Who is whipping who? Reply #27 - Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 8:36am When they disappear there will be an 'update session' button up the top. Use that to fix it. Can you tell us whether girls attending school in Afghanistan is a victory for the west or the Taliban?
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Reply #28 - Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 10:59am

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 6:01am:

Please show a single case of an attack by the Taliban on a school.

P.S, not propaganda, a properly documented case of an attack, for which the Taliban took responsibility.

Google;
attack on school, Taliban claim responsibility

Google;
attack by the Taliban, on school

Yields.....

e.g.
Taliban claim responsibility for school bus attack - World news ...
www.msnbc.msn.com/.../taliban-claim-responsibility-sch... - United States
13 Sep 2011 – Gunmen opened fire on a school bus in the Pakistani city of Peshawar on Tuesday, killing four children and the driver, a police official said.

Kabul 'agreed deal with Taliban' to end attacks on schools, report ...
www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/dec/13/afghanistan-taliban
13 Dec 2011 – Rights groups fear that Afghan education ministry's deal with insurgents could reverse gains of the past 10 years.

Taliban kill head of Afghan girls' school | World news | The Guardian
www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/.../taliban-kill-head-girls-scho...
25 May 2011 – Taliban gunmen have killed the headteacher of a girls' school near the ... The Taliban have not made any public comment on such attacks.

Abu,

Moslems murdering moslems.

How do moslems justify such carnage ?

Is it because the victims are not considered to be moslems ?

So that killing moslems, but calling them 'infidels', is OK ?

Even when the victims of this ISLAMIC violence, are moslem children, and their teachers ???

Allah's law IS VERY CLEAR.

Moslems, must never knowingly kill another 'believer'.

"......If a man kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell, to abide therein (For ever): And the wrath and the curse of Allah are upon him, and a dreadful penalty is prepared for him."
Koran 4.92-93

Abu ???

The Taliban are, "not REAL moslems" ???

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falah Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3162	Re: Who is whipping who? Reply #29 - Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 7:34pm The Taliban wanted schools for girls. They just inherited the poorest country in the World from the Soviets and Western-backed warlords. The Taliban are not anti-education, but lacked funds to build girls schools and employ teachers.
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