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Re: Abbott's Unanswered Questions Thread
Reply #30 - Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:02pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 6:43pm:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:58am:

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____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:51am:

FRED. wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:47am:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:45am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:43am:

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Scare of discussing the questions Abbott refuses to answer?

What QUESTION you dam MORON Grin

How about my first one, if children are not tortured via this illegal Nauru solution, how will the business model of the boat supliers be broken since they can undermine the illegal Nauru solution by sending boat load after boatload of child refugees to Australia.

Will Abbott start sinking these children by trying to turn the boats around with overstretched naval staff.

YOUR STILL A dam MORON Grin

IS IT A KIWI THING Wink

Deflection just shows the panic in your eyes because this thread is and will put the spotlight on Lib policy errors.

How will Abbott stop the Indonesian refugee business model if not via punishing refugee children.

Will it be by drowning the kids at sea or via torture behind barbed wire on Nauru, just like Howard did?

How does such a religious politician act under these conditions. Death or Torture?

If you're so passionately against deflection, them please provide some PROOF of your claims that the Howard government's Pacific Solution policy involved any children being tortured. Please keep in mind that personal opinion is not proof.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/ruling-opens-door-for-nauru-class-action-20110905...

The Edmund Rice Centre director, Phil Glendenning, said nine Afghans who had been held on Nauru and were sent back to Afghanistan died, including children. Others developed mental illness. ''Having seen what Nauru did last time, we just can't go there again,'' Mr Glendenning said.

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Re: Abbott's Unanswered Questions Thread
Reply #31 - Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:05pm

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:02pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 6:43pm:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:58am:

FRED. wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:54am:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:51am:

FRED. wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:47am:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:45am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:43am:

To be moved into "extremist rants" thread...

Scare of discussing the questions Abbott refuses to answer?

What QUESTION you dam MORON Grin

How about my first one, if children are not tortured via this illegal Nauru solution, how will the business model of the boat supliers be broken since they can undermine the illegal Nauru solution by sending boat load after boatload of child refugees to Australia.

Will Abbott start sinking these children by trying to turn the boats around with overstretched naval staff.

YOUR STILL A dam MORON Grin

IS IT A KIWI THING Wink

Deflection just shows the panic in your eyes because this thread is and will put the spotlight on Lib policy errors.

How will Abbott stop the Indonesian refugee business model if not via punishing refugee children.

Will it be by drowning the kids at sea or via torture behind barbed wire on Nauru, just like Howard did?

How does such a religious politician act under these conditions. Death or Torture?

If you're so passionately against deflection, them please provide some PROOF of your claims that the Howard government's Pacific Solution policy involved any children being tortured. Please keep in mind that personal opinion is not proof.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/ruling-opens-door-for-nauru-class-action-20110905...

The Edmund Rice Centre director, Phil Glendenning, said nine Afghans who had been held on Nauru and were sent back to Afghanistan died, including children. Others developed mental illness. ''Having seen what Nauru did last time, we just can't go there again,'' Mr Glendenning said.

Did our government force them to come? No. Did they know they would likely have to endure a lengthy stay in detention? More than likely. Not the fault of Howard if some people are stupid and selfish enough to subject their own children to such hardship. They had plenty of opportunities to stop elsewhere much closer to Afghanistan.

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Re: Abbott's Unanswered Questions Thread
Reply #32 - Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:14pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:05pm:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:02pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 6:43pm:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:58am:

FRED. wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:54am:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:51am:

FRED. wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:47am:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:45am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:43am:

To be moved into "extremist rants" thread...

Scare of discussing the questions Abbott refuses to answer?

What QUESTION you dam MORON Grin

How about my first one, if children are not tortured via this illegal Nauru solution, how will the business model of the boat supliers be broken since they can undermine the illegal Nauru solution by sending boat load after boatload of child refugees to Australia.

Will Abbott start sinking these children by trying to turn the boats around with overstretched naval staff.

YOUR STILL A dam MORON Grin

IS IT A KIWI THING Wink

Deflection just shows the panic in your eyes because this thread is and will put the spotlight on Lib policy errors.

How will Abbott stop the Indonesian refugee business model if not via punishing refugee children.

Will it be by drowning the kids at sea or via torture behind barbed wire on Nauru, just like Howard did?

How does such a religious politician act under these conditions. Death or Torture?

If you're so passionately against deflection, them please provide some PROOF of your claims that the Howard government's Pacific Solution policy involved any children being tortured. Please keep in mind that personal opinion is not proof.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/ruling-opens-door-for-nauru-class-action-20110905...

The Edmund Rice Centre director, Phil Glendenning, said nine Afghans who had been held on Nauru and were sent back to Afghanistan died, including children. Others developed mental illness. ''Having seen what Nauru did last time, we just can't go there again,'' Mr Glendenning said.

Did our government force them to come? No. Did they know they would likely have to endure a lengthy stay in detention? More than likely. Not the fault of Howard if some people are stupid and selfish enough to subject their own children to such hardship. They had plenty of opportunities to stop elsewhere much closer to Afghanistan.

Did the howard government force them to come, yes in that Howard was a part of the illegal invasion into Iraq and the provoking of the civil war we are still in in Afghanistan. These push factors forced pressure on to camps and so some took risks to come to Australia because the Howard government agreed with our commitment to take care of refugees according to the 1951 UN agreement.

The Children where the Howard government's responsibility and Howard then tortured them via his government's policies.

Abbott now wants to replicate this torture.

Shame hard righters for backing this torture of children. Shame on you all.

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Re: Abbott's Unanswered Questions Thread
Reply #33 - Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:18pm

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:14pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:05pm:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:02pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 6:43pm:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:58am:

FRED. wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:54am:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:51am:

FRED. wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:47am:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:45am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:43am:

To be moved into "extremist rants" thread...

Scare of discussing the questions Abbott refuses to answer?

What QUESTION you dam MORON Grin

How about my first one, if children are not tortured via this illegal Nauru solution, how will the business model of the boat supliers be broken since they can undermine the illegal Nauru solution by sending boat load after boatload of child refugees to Australia.

Will Abbott start sinking these children by trying to turn the boats around with overstretched naval staff.

YOUR STILL A dam MORON Grin

IS IT A KIWI THING Wink

Deflection just shows the panic in your eyes because this thread is and will put the spotlight on Lib policy errors.

How will Abbott stop the Indonesian refugee business model if not via punishing refugee children.

Will it be by drowning the kids at sea or via torture behind barbed wire on Nauru, just like Howard did?

How does such a religious politician act under these conditions. Death or Torture?

If you're so passionately against deflection, them please provide some PROOF of your claims that the Howard government's Pacific Solution policy involved any children being tortured. Please keep in mind that personal opinion is not proof.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/ruling-opens-door-for-nauru-class-action-20110905...

The Edmund Rice Centre director, Phil Glendenning, said nine Afghans who had been held on Nauru and were sent back to Afghanistan died, including children. Others developed mental illness. ''Having seen what Nauru did last time, we just can't go there again,'' Mr Glendenning said.

Did our government force them to come? No. Did they know they would likely have to endure a lengthy stay in detention? More than likely. Not the fault of Howard if some people are stupid and selfish enough to subject their own children to such hardship. They had plenty of opportunities to stop elsewhere much closer to Afghanistan.

Did the howard government force them to come, yes in that Howard was a part of the illegal invasion into Iraq and the provoking of the civil war we are still in in Afghanistan. These push factors forced pressure on to camps and so some took risks to come to Australia because the Howard government agreed with our commitment to take care of refugees according to the 1951 UN agreement.

The Children where the Howard government's responsibility and Howard then tortured them via his government's policies.

Abbott now wants to replicate this torture.

Shame hard righters for backing this torture of children. Shame on you all.

How was the Afghan war illegal? The Afghan govt was providing sanctuary to terrorists and refused to hand them over. They supported terrorism and have paid the price. End of story. Your fifth-grade logic has no place in an adult world. Grow up.

Edit: Howard's policy was far more humane. No one died trying to cross the ocean between Indonesia and Australia whereas thousands have died under Rudd/Gillard's "compassionate" policy. What a tragic farce.

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Re: Abbott's Unanswered Questions Thread
Reply #34 - Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:21pm

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:14pm:

Did the howard government force them to come, yes in that Howard was a part of the illegal invasion into Iraq and the provoking of the civil war we are still in in Afghanistan.

Please let us know how it was illegal.

Please also let us know how we forced these fvckers to have a civil war - ie how they couldn't help but murder each other on a large scale because of us.

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Re: Abbott's Unanswered Questions Thread
Reply #35 - Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:22pm

Soren wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:21pm:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:14pm:

Did the howard government force them to come, yes in that Howard was a part of the illegal invasion into Iraq and the provoking of the civil war we are still in in Afghanistan.

Please let us know how it was illegal.

Please also let us know how we forced these fvckers to have a civil war - ie how they couldn't help but murder each other on a large scale because of us.

They've been killing each other for thousands of years. If they didn't have the Russians or US to fight, they'd just fight each other. War is their national pastime, with RPG shooting their national sport.

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Re: Abbott's Unanswered Questions Thread
Reply #36 - Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:26pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:18pm:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:14pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:05pm:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:02pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 6:43pm:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:58am:

FRED. wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:54am:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:51am:

FRED. wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:47am:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:45am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:43am:

To be moved into "extremist rants" thread...

Scare of discussing the questions Abbott refuses to answer?

What QUESTION you dam MORON Grin

How about my first one, if children are not tortured via this illegal Nauru solution, how will the business model of the boat supliers be broken since they can undermine the illegal Nauru solution by sending boat load after boatload of child refugees to Australia.

Will Abbott start sinking these children by trying to turn the boats around with overstretched naval staff.

YOUR STILL A dam MORON Grin

IS IT A KIWI THING Wink

Deflection just shows the panic in your eyes because this thread is and will put the spotlight on Lib policy errors.

How will Abbott stop the Indonesian refugee business model if not via punishing refugee children.

Will it be by drowning the kids at sea or via torture behind barbed wire on Nauru, just like Howard did?

How does such a religious politician act under these conditions. Death or Torture?

If you're so passionately against deflection, them please provide some PROOF of your claims that the Howard government's Pacific Solution policy involved any children being tortured. Please keep in mind that personal opinion is not proof.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/ruling-opens-door-for-nauru-class-action-20110905...

The Edmund Rice Centre director, Phil Glendenning, said nine Afghans who had been held on Nauru and were sent back to Afghanistan died, including children. Others developed mental illness. ''Having seen what Nauru did last time, we just can't go there again,'' Mr Glendenning said.

Did our government force them to come? No. Did they know they would likely have to endure a lengthy stay in detention? More than likely. Not the fault of Howard if some people are stupid and selfish enough to subject their own children to such hardship. They had plenty of opportunities to stop elsewhere much closer to Afghanistan.

Did the howard government force them to come, yes in that Howard was a part of the illegal invasion into Iraq and the provoking of the civil war we are still in in Afghanistan. These push factors forced pressure on to camps and so some took risks to come to Australia because the Howard government agreed with our commitment to take care of refugees according to the 1951 UN agreement.

The Children where the Howard government's responsibility and Howard then tortured them via his government's policies.

Abbott now wants to replicate this torture.

Shame hard righters for backing this torture of children. Shame on you all.

How was the Afghan war illegal? The Afghan govt was providing sanctuary to terrorists and refused to hand them over. They supported terrorism and have paid the price. End of story. Your fifth-grade logic has no place in an adult world. Grow up.

Edit: Howard's policy was far more humane. No one died trying to cross the ocean between Indonesia and Australia whereas thousands have died under Rudd/Gillard's "compassionate" policy. What a tragic farce.

Illegal Iraqi War

As for terrorists ... what is a terrorist. Someone that scares. That would include Joe Hockey's opposition treasury skills, or lack of.

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Re: Abbott's Unanswered Questions Thread
Reply #37 - Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:28pm

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:26pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:18pm:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:14pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:05pm:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:02pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 6:43pm:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:58am:

FRED. wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:54am:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:51am:

FRED. wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:47am:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:45am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:43am:

To be moved into "extremist rants" thread...

Scare of discussing the questions Abbott refuses to answer?

What QUESTION you dam MORON Grin

How about my first one, if children are not tortured via this illegal Nauru solution, how will the business model of the boat supliers be broken since they can undermine the illegal Nauru solution by sending boat load after boatload of child refugees to Australia.

Will Abbott start sinking these children by trying to turn the boats around with overstretched naval staff.

YOUR STILL A dam MORON Grin

IS IT A KIWI THING Wink

Deflection just shows the panic in your eyes because this thread is and will put the spotlight on Lib policy errors.

How will Abbott stop the Indonesian refugee business model if not via punishing refugee children.

Will it be by drowning the kids at sea or via torture behind barbed wire on Nauru, just like Howard did?

How does such a religious politician act under these conditions. Death or Torture?

If you're so passionately against deflection, them please provide some PROOF of your claims that the Howard government's Pacific Solution policy involved any children being tortured. Please keep in mind that personal opinion is not proof.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/ruling-opens-door-for-nauru-class-action-20110905...

The Edmund Rice Centre director, Phil Glendenning, said nine Afghans who had been held on Nauru and were sent back to Afghanistan died, including children. Others developed mental illness. ''Having seen what Nauru did last time, we just can't go there again,'' Mr Glendenning said.

Did our government force them to come? No. Did they know they would likely have to endure a lengthy stay in detention? More than likely. Not the fault of Howard if some people are stupid and selfish enough to subject their own children to such hardship. They had plenty of opportunities to stop elsewhere much closer to Afghanistan.

Did the howard government force them to come, yes in that Howard was a part of the illegal invasion into Iraq and the provoking of the civil war we are still in in Afghanistan. These push factors forced pressure on to camps and so some took risks to come to Australia because the Howard government agreed with our commitment to take care of refugees according to the 1951 UN agreement.

The Children where the Howard government's responsibility and Howard then tortured them via his government's policies.

Abbott now wants to replicate this torture.

Shame hard righters for backing this torture of children. Shame on you all.

How was the Afghan war illegal? The Afghan govt was providing sanctuary to terrorists and refused to hand them over. They supported terrorism and have paid the price. End of story. Your fifth-grade logic has no place in an adult world. Grow up.

Edit: Howard's policy was far more humane. No one died trying to cross the ocean between Indonesia and Australia whereas thousands have died under Rudd/Gillard's "compassionate" policy. What a tragic farce.

Illegal Iraqi War

As for terrorists ... what is a terrorist. Someone that scares. That would include Joe Hockey's opposition treasury skills, or lack of.

The war in Iraq was based on flawed intel, but removed a murderous despot who was despised by his countrymen and neighbouring countries alike.

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Re: Abbott's Unanswered Questions Thread
Reply #38 - Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:32pm

Soren wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:21pm:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:14pm:

Did the howard government force them to come, yes in that Howard was a part of the illegal invasion into Iraq and the provoking of the civil war we are still in in Afghanistan.

Please let us know how it was illegal.

Please also let us know how we forced these fvckers to have a civil war - ie how they couldn't help but murder each other on a large scale because of us.

WMD was a known lie and Howard and his ministers, including Abbott, new it.

So the invasion was illegal.

As for Afghanistan, Australia took part in the overthrow of the Afghan government on a make up boogieman "terrorist"

This help cause a civil war we are still are apart even though the americans are negotiating with the original government so they can cut and run and so reveal the waste of life limb and taxes Australia has wasted due to the LibLabs.

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Re: Abbott's Unanswered Questions Thread
Reply #39 - Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:34pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:28pm:

The war in Iraq was based on flawed intel, but removed a murderous despot who was despised by his countrymen and neighbouring countries alike.

The war was based on the reinforcing of western control in the middle east. The despot was supported by the same people who propped up Mubarak and ben Ali. The 'flawed intel' was the misguided belief that Iraqis, having lived in a 'secular' state for decades, would reject their ancient loyalty to Shi'ism and resist alliance with its Shi'ite neighbour, Iran. A ridiculously myopic position.

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Re: Abbott's Unanswered Questions Thread
Reply #40 - Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:36pm