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Reply #15 - Feb 26^th, 2012 at 12:30pm

Maqqa wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 12:13pm:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:41am:

Nauru, Abbott's solution to child refugees. Will they be tortured behind barbed wire, Like Howard did?

If not, will the Boats continue to come with children aboard?

A thread for all those unanswered questions Abbott refuses to answer.

WTF does Abbott have to answer anything - especially to the Greens

Any Greens that says "I might vote for the Coalition if Abbott answer the questions" are as believable as Gillard when she said "There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead"

His job is to get rid off a bad government and a bad MP called Adam Bandt

I understand Liberals are scared of transparency and so want Abbott to hide all his mean spirited plans concerning torture and possible murder of child boat refugees, greenhouse reduction plans beyond 2013, his nuking Australia agenda, and worker attack via a DD so to ram through workchoices during a world recession.

And it isn't only Greens' supporters willing to dig until answers are forthcoming, swing voters desire answers from Mr Lame Duck too.

So come on down Mr Abbott and start answering all the questions.

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Re: Abbott's Unanswered Questions Thread
Reply #16 - Feb 26^th, 2012 at 12:34pm

Please show exact evidence of where this is happening especially the torture and murder

http://www.smh.com.au/national/ruling-opens-door-for-nauru-class-action-20110905...

The Edmund Rice Centre director, Phil Glendenning, said nine Afghans who had been held on Nauru and were sent back to Afghanistan died, including children. Others developed mental illness. ''Having seen what Nauru did last time, we just can't go there again,'' Mr Glendenning said.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/abbott-boats-plan-reckless-20120121-1qb7a.html

THE proposal by the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott, to use navy resources to turn back all asylum seeker boats to Indonesia is reckless, the Prime Minister, Julia Gillard, has warned.

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Re: Abbott's Unanswered Questions Thread
Reply #17 - Feb 26^th, 2012 at 12:38pm

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 12:34pm:

Please show exact evidence of where this is happening especially the torture and murder

http://www.smh.com.au/national/ruling-opens-door-for-nauru-class-action-20110905...

The Edmund Rice Centre director, Phil Glendenning, said nine Afghans who had been held on Nauru and were sent back to Afghanistan died, including children. Others developed mental illness. ''Having seen what Nauru did last time, we just can't go there again,'' Mr Glendenning said.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/abbott-boats-plan-reckless-20120121-1qb7a.html

THE proposal by the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott, to use navy resources to turn back all asylum seeker boats to Indonesia is reckless, the Prime Minister, Julia Gillard, has warned.

Gillard has Warned sendem to MALASAYSIA TOO BE WHIPPED GOOD PLAN Grin

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Re: Abbott's Unanswered Questions Thread
Reply #18 - Feb 26^th, 2012 at 12:42pm

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:41am:

Nauru, Abbott's solution to child refugees. Will they be tortured behind barbed wire, Like Howard did?

If not, will the Boats continue to come with children aboard?

A thread for all those unanswered questions Abbott refuses to answer.

Mr Abbott has said that he is going to turn back the boats, and parasitc illegal immigrants won't be coming here in the thousands and millions as they are now, under the pathetic, disgraceful, shambolic and diastrous Labor/Green/Independent so-called government.

That's all that the Australian people want. No more needs to be known/detailed.

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Re: Abbott's Unanswered Questions Thread
Reply #19 - Feb 26^th, 2012 at 12:50pm

FRED. wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 12:38pm:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 12:34pm:

Please show exact evidence of where this is happening especially the torture and murder

http://www.smh.com.au/national/ruling-opens-door-for-nauru-class-action-20110905...

The Edmund Rice Centre director, Phil Glendenning, said nine Afghans who had been held on Nauru and were sent back to Afghanistan died, including children. Others developed mental illness. ''Having seen what Nauru did last time, we just can't go there again,'' Mr Glendenning said.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/abbott-boats-plan-reckless-20120121-1qb7a.html

THE proposal by the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott, to use navy resources to turn back all asylum seeker boats to Indonesia is reckless, the Prime Minister, Julia Gillard, has warned.

Gillard has Warned sendem to MALASAYSIA TOO BE WHIPPED GOOD PLAN Grin

So both Libs and Labs have been returned to the cheapest, most logical and most humane policy, Greens policy of processing these people as quickly as possible without risking Australia and then letting them integrate with Australian society while their cases are processed.

This will cut down on the medical cost of repairing destroyed people due to Australian torture procedures like Howard had and Gillard and Abbott want returned.

It will reduce pressure on jailing refugees and will help integrate these people into Australia culture.

More chance of even greater benefits to Australia that foreign born Australians bring.

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Re: Abbott's Unanswered Questions Thread
Reply #20 - Feb 26^th, 2012 at 12:51pm

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 12:30pm:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 12:13pm:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:41am:

Nauru, Abbott's solution to child refugees. Will they be tortured behind barbed wire, Like Howard did?

If not, will the Boats continue to come with children aboard?

A thread for all those unanswered questions Abbott refuses to answer.

WTF does Abbott have to answer anything - especially to the Greens

Any Greens that says "I might vote for the Coalition if Abbott answer the questions" are as believable as Gillard when she said "There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead"

His job is to get rid off a bad government and a bad MP called Adam Bandt

I understand Liberals are scared of transparency and so want Abbott to hide all his mean spirited plans concerning torture and possible murder of child boat refugees, greenhouse reduction plans beyond 2013, his nuking Australia agenda, and worker attack via a DD so to ram through workchoices during a world recession.

And it isn't only Greens' supporters willing to dig until answers are forthcoming, swing voters desire answers from Mr Lame Duck too.

So come on down Mr Abbott and start answering all the questions.

If the Greens have better transparency then why does it only have 11% of the votes?

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Re: Abbott's Unanswered Questions Thread
Reply #21 - Feb 26^th, 2012 at 12:53pm

matty wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 12:42pm:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:41am:

Nauru, Abbott's solution to child refugees. Will they be tortured behind barbed wire, Like Howard did?

If not, will the Boats continue to come with children aboard?

A thread for all those unanswered questions Abbott refuses to answer.

Mr Abbott has said that he is going to turn back the boats, and parasitc illegal immigrants won't be coming here in the thousands and millions as they are now, under the pathetic, disgraceful, shambolic and diastrous Labor/Green/Independent so-called government.

That's all that the Australian people want. No more needs to be known/detailed.

And all that will happen is boats will be sunk and children will drown because of Abbott's hate of children.

Will the Navy lose recruits because young people will not want to be killing children at sea for Abbott.

Time for Abbott to start thinking through the ramifications of his anti children policies before shooting his mouth off for a 6.30 television news segment.

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Re: Abbott's Unanswered Questions Thread
Reply #22 - Feb 26^th, 2012 at 12:54pm

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:41am:

Nauru, Abbott's solution to child refugees. Will they be tortured behind barbed wire, Like Howard did?

If not, will the Boats continue to come with children aboard?

A thread for all those unanswered questions Abbott refuses to answer.

Can you provide the official number of children tortured while in detention. I can't find any reports of torture.

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[...]

There are 93 children currently detained in Nauru, as many as the combined total of
all the detention centers in Australia. The 43 girls and 50 boys includes an infant born
on 19 March 2003. Five of the children are unaccompanied by their parents.

Some children attend school at one of two primary schools outside the camp. They
start at 7.30am and finish at 1.30pm. The Nauru schools are impoverished, lacking
basic facilities and equipment. Teachers have gone months without pay. Children
also have classes with the older detainees in the camp in the afternoons. The
children are able to play soccer and volleyball in the camp.

[...]

http://www.ajustaustralia.com/resource.php?act=attache&id=27

Unless you view being made to participate in volleyball and soccer a form of torture.

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Re: Abbott's Unanswered Questions Thread
Reply #23 - Feb 26^th, 2012 at 1:03pm

Maqqa wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 12:51pm:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 12:30pm:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 12:13pm:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:41am:

Nauru, Abbott's solution to child refugees. Will they be tortured behind barbed wire, Like Howard did?

If not, will the Boats continue to come with children aboard?

A thread for all those unanswered questions Abbott refuses to answer.

WTF does Abbott have to answer anything - especially to the Greens

Any Greens that says "I might vote for the Coalition if Abbott answer the questions" are as believable as Gillard when she said "There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead"

His job is to get rid off a bad government and a bad MP called Adam Bandt

I understand Liberals are scared of transparency and so want Abbott to hide all his mean spirited plans concerning torture and possible murder of child boat refugees, greenhouse reduction plans beyond 2013, his nuking Australia agenda, and worker attack via a DD so to ram through workchoices during a world recession.

And it isn't only Greens' supporters willing to dig until answers are forthcoming, swing voters desire answers from Mr Lame Duck too.

So come on down Mr Abbott and start answering all the questions.

If the Greens have better transparency then why does it only have 11% of the votes?

Because 7 percent to 11 percent from the 2007 federal election to the 2010 is sustainable core support growth.

Also Senate support at the last election was 13% and current polling shows even more growth possible in the Senate. So still plenty of more core support growth available in the future.

Better slower and steady, so to prepare for the next potential situation, Greens holding the balance in both houses, rather than just the Senate.

Now enough of the Greens, when will Abbott tell us his plans of spreading the racist intervention plan onto all welfare recipients. Will he control all welfare to elderly non aboriginal pensioners, so they don't waste money on drugs and gambling and not buy food or pay their bills?

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Re: Abbott's Unanswered Questions Thread
Reply #24 - Feb 26^th, 2012 at 1:09pm

salad in wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 12:54pm:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:41am:

Nauru, Abbott's solution to child refugees. Will they be tortured behind barbed wire, Like Howard did?

If not, will the Boats continue to come with children aboard?

A thread for all those unanswered questions Abbott refuses to answer.

Can you provide the official number of children tortured while in detention. I can't find any reports of torture.

Quote:

[...]

There are 93 children currently detained in Nauru, as many as the combined total of
all the detention centers in Australia. The 43 girls and 50 boys includes an infant born
on 19 March 2003. Five of the children are unaccompanied by their parents.

Some children attend school at one of two primary schools outside the camp. They
start at 7.30am and finish at 1.30pm. The Nauru schools are impoverished, lacking
basic facilities and equipment. Teachers have gone months without pay. Children
also have classes with the older detainees in the camp in the afternoons. The
children are able to play soccer and volleyball in the camp.

[...]

http://www.ajustaustralia.com/resource.php?act=attache&id=27

Unless you view being made to participate in volleyball and soccer a form of torture.

Interesting no links to the post

was it from here?

http://www.ajustaustralia.com/resource.php?act=attache&id=27

or maybe from here

http://www.hreoc.gov.au/human_rights/children_detention_report/report/chap03.htm

So back to the original question, how will Abbott destroy the business model if he doesn't punish refugee children via torture or death?

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Re: Abbott's Unanswered Questions Thread
Reply #25 - Feb 26^th, 2012 at 1:12pm

Salad, in the child torture numbers, can I count the children Howard sent back to Afghanistan and then were killed by Howard's mean spirited policy?

Or should we just count via the ones that were mentally scared by Howard's Nauru policy, the one Abbott wants.

How about the child suicides because of this Liberal Party torture, in or out?

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Re: Abbott's Unanswered Questions Thread
Reply #27 - Feb 26^th, 2012 at 6:43pm

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:58am:

FRED. wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:54am:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:51am:

FRED. wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:47am:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:45am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:43am:

To be moved into "extremist rants" thread...

Scare of discussing the questions Abbott refuses to answer?

What QUESTION you dam MORON Grin

How about my first one, if children are not tortured via this illegal Nauru solution, how will the business model of the boat supliers be broken since they can undermine the illegal Nauru solution by sending boat load after boatload of child refugees to Australia.

Will Abbott start sinking these children by trying to turn the boats around with overstretched naval staff.

YOUR STILL A dam MORON Grin

IS IT A KIWI THING Wink

Deflection just shows the panic in your eyes because this thread is and will put the spotlight on Lib policy errors.

How will Abbott stop the Indonesian refugee business model if not via punishing refugee children.

Will it be by drowning the kids at sea or via torture behind barbed wire on Nauru, just like Howard did?

How does such a religious politician act under these conditions. Death or Torture?

If you're so passionately against deflection, them please provide some PROOF of your claims that the Howard government's Pacific Solution policy involved any children being tortured. Please keep in mind that personal opinion is not proof.

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Re: Abbott's Unanswered Questions Thread
Reply #28 - Feb 26^th, 2012 at 6:48pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 6:43pm:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:58am:

FRED. wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:54am:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:51am:

FRED. wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:47am:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:45am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:43am:

To be moved into "extremist rants" thread...

Scare of discussing the questions Abbott refuses to answer?

What QUESTION you dam MORON Grin

How about my first one, if children are not tortured via this illegal Nauru solution, how will the business model of the boat supliers be broken since they can undermine the illegal Nauru solution by sending boat load after boatload of child refugees to Australia.

Will Abbott start sinking these children by trying to turn the boats around with overstretched naval staff.

YOUR STILL A dam MORON Grin

IS IT A KIWI THING Wink

Deflection just shows the panic in your eyes because this thread is and will put the spotlight on Lib policy errors.

How will Abbott stop the Indonesian refugee business model if not via punishing refugee children.

Will it be by drowning the kids at sea or via torture behind barbed wire on Nauru, just like Howard did?

How does such a religious politician act under these conditions. Death or Torture?

If you're so passionately against deflection, them please provide some PROOF of your claims that the Howard government's Pacific Solution policy involved any children being tortured. Please keep in mind that personal opinion is not proof.

You are all so funny, this subject died quickly after the community detention was started. Abbott has already put foot in mouth with the turn them back idea, he should have no problem with malaysia then. Cornered himself on that one so it is dead.

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Re: Abbott's Unanswered Questions Thread
Reply #29 - Feb 26^th, 2012 at 6:56pm

nairbe wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 6:48pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 6:43pm:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:58am:

FRED. wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:54am:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:51am:

FRED. wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:47am:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:45am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 11:43am:

To be moved into "extremist rants" thread...

Scare of discussing the questions Abbott refuses to answer?

What QUESTION you dam MORON Grin

How about my first one, if children are not tortured via this illegal Nauru solution, how will the business model of the boat supliers be broken since they can undermine the illegal Nauru solution by sending boat load after boatload of child refugees to Australia.

Will Abbott start sinking these children by trying to turn the boats around with overstretched naval staff.

YOUR STILL A dam MORON Grin

IS IT A KIWI THING Wink

Deflection just shows the panic in your eyes because this thread is and will put the spotlight on Lib policy errors.

How will Abbott stop the Indonesian refugee business model if not via punishing refugee children.

Will it be by drowning the kids at sea or via torture behind barbed wire on Nauru, just like Howard did?

How does such a religious politician act under these conditions. Death or Torture?

If you're so passionately against deflection, them please provide some PROOF of your claims that the Howard government's Pacific Solution policy involved any children being tortured. Please keep in mind that personal opinion is not proof.

You are all so funny, this subject died quickly after the community detention was started. Abbott has already put foot in mouth with the turn them back idea, he should have no problem with malaysia then. Cornered himself on that one so it is dead.

So you'd prefer that if there were only two options available it would be better for them to be caned in Malaysia than simply detained in Nauru where they get better living facilities than mosy homeless people get here?

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