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Reply #30 - Mar 1^st, 2012 at 2:33pm

Yadda wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 10:09am:

darkhall67 wrote on Feb 28^th, 2012 at 10:29am:

What a kind , loving god.

Hey dark,
I know that your comment is a sarcastic 'slap down'.

What many people [like yourself] promote is lawlessness [in the guise of personal freedom].
They don't see anything wrong, with being allowed to do [mostly] whatever they want [i.e. 'personal freedom'].

e.g
Taking illicit drugs.

"That is OK. Who is it hurting, if anyone?"

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But hey dark,

Just keep hating God, and his righteousness [and his laws], and his judgement.

Just keep hating him, coz his laws impede the enjoyment of your 'personal freedoms'.
i.e.
You refuse to acknowledge, that your own desire for pleasurable experiences, e.g. by dropping E's, is empowering criminal violence, by making criminals rich, and powerful.

And is a cause of lawlessness. ......and injustice.

2 Timothy 3:1
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

God, is about righteousness, and peace.

Peace and joy, is what God is promising to his 'children'.

Psalms 97:10
Ye that love the LORD, hate evil:...

Psalms 106:3
Blessed are they that keep judgment, and he that doeth righteousness at all times.

Proverbs 15:9
The way of the wicked is an abomination unto the LORD: but he loveth him that followeth after righteousness.

Proverbs 17:15
He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.

Proverbs 28:4
They that forsake the law praise the wicked: but such as keep the law contend with them.
5 Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

God in the Bible says that men can do whatever they like, so long as men understand that they will be judged for the consequences of their choices.

Dropping E's, and taking other illicit drugs, empowers violence, crime, and criminals.

Crime and oppression, is what God hates.

Daniel 12:10
Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

Isaiah 48:10
Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.

Revelation 21:7
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Thanks for your permission to hate the evil , genocidal , racist , misogynist , lying , manipulative, blood thirsty , brutal , fanatical evil scumbag that is your god of the old testament yadda.

My morals prevent me from worshipping such creatures, even if they weren't figments of your imagination.

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Re: Richard Dawkins, Not Entirely Sure
Reply #31 - Mar 1^st, 2012 at 3:03pm

darkhall67 wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 2:33pm:

Thanks for your permission to hate the evil , genocidal , racist , misogynist , lying , manipulative, blood thirsty , brutal , fanatical evil scumbag that is your god of the old testament yadda.

My morals prevent me from worshipping such creatures, even if they weren't figments of your imagination.

dark,

I am glad to hear, that you are [or at least, that you consider yourself to be] a moral person.

So, as a self-professed moral person, you will, or intend to, refrain from putting money into the pockets of criminals, by buying illicit psychotropic drugs ?

They [psychotropic drugs] are not good for you [for your psyche], anyway.

I believe, that they [psychotropic drugs] just screw with peoples 'heads'.

Dictionary;
morality = =
1 principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behaviour. a system of values and moral principles.
2 the extent to which an action is right or wrong.

Dictionary;
psyche = = the human soul, mind, or spirit.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Richard Dawkins, Not Entirely Sure
Reply #32 - Mar 1^st, 2012 at 5:27pm

Yadda wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 3:03pm:

darkhall67 wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 2:33pm:

Thanks for your permission to hate the evil , genocidal , racist , misogynist , lying , manipulative, blood thirsty , brutal , fanatical evil scumbag that is your god of the old testament yadda.

My morals prevent me from worshipping such creatures, even if they weren't figments of your imagination.

dark,

I am glad to hear, that you are [or at least, that you consider yourself to be] a moral person.

So, as a self-professed moral person, you will, or intend to, refrain from putting money into the pockets of criminals, by buying illicit psychotropic drugs ?

They [psychotropic drugs] are not good for you [for your psyche], anyway.

I believe, that they [psychotropic drugs] just screw with peoples 'heads'.

No one has the right to tell me what to put into my body.

No one has the right to limit my life experiences.

EVERYONE should try LSD at least once in their lives.

That goes for ecstasy too.

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Re: Richard Dawkins, Not Entirely Sure
Reply #33 - Mar 1^st, 2012 at 11:00pm

One has to do a lot of mental gymnastic to become an atheist:

Believing in the Creator is natural:

Infants 'have natural belief in God'

INFANTS are hard-wired to believe in God, and atheism has to be learned, according to an Oxford University psychologist.

Dr Olivera Petrovich told a University of Western Sydney conference on the psychology of religion that even preschool children constructed theological concepts as part of their understanding of the physical world.

Pyschologists have debated whether belief in God or atheism was the natural human state. According to Dr Petrovich, an expert in psychology of religion, belief in God is not taught but develops naturally.

She told The Age yesterday that belief in God emerged as a result of other psychological development connected with understanding causation.

It was hard-wired into the human psyche, but it was important not to build too much into the concept of God. "It's the concept of God as creator, primarily," she said. Dr Petrovich said her findings were based on several studies, particularly one of Japanese children aged four to six, and another of 400 British children aged five to seven from seven different faiths.

"Atheism is definitely an acquired position," she said.

http://www.theage.com.au/national/infants-have-natural-belief-in-god-20080725-3l3b.html

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Re: Richard Dawkins, Not Entirely Sure
Reply #34 - Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 10:20am

falah wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 11:00pm:

One has to do a lot of mental gymnastic to become an atheist:

http://www.theblackconservative.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/atheism.jpg

Believing in the Creator is natural:

Infants 'have natural belief in God'

INFANTS are hard-wired to believe in God, and atheism has to be learned, according to an Oxford University psychologist.

Dr Olivera Petrovich told a University of Western Sydney conference on the psychology of religion that even preschool children constructed theological concepts as part of their understanding of the physical world.

Pyschologists have debated whether belief in God or atheism was the natural human state. According to Dr Petrovich, an expert in psychology of religion, belief in God is not taught but develops naturally.

She told The Age yesterday that belief in God emerged as a result of other psychological development connected with understanding causation.

It was hard-wired into the human psyche, but it was important not to build too much into the concept of God. "It's the concept of God as creator, primarily," she said. Dr Petrovich said her findings were based on several studies, particularly one of Japanese children aged four to six, and another of 400 British children aged five to seven from seven different faiths.

"Atheism is definitely an acquired position," she said.

http://www.theage.com.au/national/infants-have-natural-belief-in-god-20080725-3l3b.html

http://www.reflectionsofaparalytic.com/images/unborn-atheists.png

Goodness me.

Science has to be learned.

Superstition has to be unlearned.

Stop the presses.

This is mindblowing stuff.

We should be basing all our beliefs on what babies think.

Certainly explains a lot about some of the posters on this site.

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Reply #35 - Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 10:23am

darkhall67 wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 5:27pm:

Yadda wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 3:03pm:

darkhall67 wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 2:33pm:

Thanks for your permission to hate the evil , genocidal , racist , misogynist , lying , manipulative, blood thirsty , brutal , fanatical evil scumbag that is your god of the old testament yadda.

My morals prevent me from worshipping such creatures, even if they weren't figments of your imagination.

dark,

I am glad to hear, that you are [or at least, that you consider yourself to be] a moral person.

So, as a self-professed moral person, you will, or intend to, refrain from putting money into the pockets of criminals, by buying illicit psychotropic drugs ?

They [psychotropic drugs] are not good for you [for your psyche], anyway.

I believe, that they [psychotropic drugs] just screw with peoples 'heads'.

No one has the right to tell me what to put into my body.

No one has the right to limit my life experiences.

EVERYONE should try LSD at least once in their lives.

That goes for ecstasy too.

A libertine then.

And dark, if someone handed you a cyanide pill, would you feel compelled to try that too, just for the experience ?

No, you would not take a cyanide pill, because you know cyanide is a deadly poison ?

And if illicit drugs are produced by a 'secret' and unregulated process, how can you know what substances the illicit drugs you consume, contain ?

"EVERYONE should try LSD at least once in their lives.

That goes for ecstasy too."

1/
Your position ['logic'] on taking illicit drugs does not make a lot of sense, dark.

AND,

2/
Your consumption of illicit drugs is empowering and enriching violent criminal syndicates within the wider Australian community.

dark,

And you consider yourself to be the 'moral', the 'normal' person.

And you consider that i, Yadda, am the irrational one.

Go your way, dark.

Walk your own path.

Have a nice life.

Proverbs 28:4
They that forsake the law praise the wicked: but such as keep the law contend with them.
5 Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

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Reply #36 - Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 10:32am

darkhall67 wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 10:20am:

falah wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 11:00pm:

Infants 'have natural belief in God'

INFANTS are hard-wired to believe in God, and atheism has to be learned, according to an Oxford University psychologist.

Goodness me.

Science has to be learned.

Superstition has to be unlearned.

Stop the presses.

This is mindblowing stuff.

We should be basing all our beliefs on what babies think.

Certainly explains a lot about some of the posters on this site.

Luke 18:16
....Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.
17 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.

The nature of children....

Proverbs 3:32
For the froward is abomination to the LORD: but his secret is with the righteous.
33 The curse of the LORD is in the house of the wicked: but he blesseth the habitation of the just.
34 Surely he scorneth the scorners: but he giveth grace unto the lowly.

Psalms 25:12
What man is he that feareth the LORD? him shall he teach in the way that he shall choose.
13 His soul shall dwell at ease; and his seed shall inherit the earth.
14 The secret of the LORD is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Richard Dawkins, Not Entirely Sure
Reply #37 - Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 11:36am

Yadda wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 10:23am:

darkhall67 wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 5:27pm:

Yadda wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 3:03pm:

darkhall67 wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 2:33pm:

Thanks for your permission to hate the evil , genocidal , racist , misogynist , lying , manipulative, blood thirsty , brutal , fanatical evil scumbag that is your god of the old testament yadda.

My morals prevent me from worshipping such creatures, even if they weren't figments of your imagination.

dark,

I am glad to hear, that you are [or at least, that you consider yourself to be] a moral person.

So, as a self-professed moral person, you will, or intend to, refrain from putting money into the pockets of criminals, by buying illicit psychotropic drugs ?

They [psychotropic drugs] are not good for you [for your psyche], anyway.

I believe, that they [psychotropic drugs] just screw with peoples 'heads'.

No one has the right to tell me what to put into my body.

No one has the right to limit my life experiences.

EVERYONE should try LSD at least once in their lives.

That goes for ecstasy too.

A libertine then.

And dark, if someone handed you a cyanide pill, would you feel compelled to try that too, just for the experience ?

No, you would not take a cyanide pill, because you know cyanide is a deadly poison ?

Ridiculous argument.

And irrelevant to this thread .

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Re: Richard Dawkins, Not Entirely Sure
Reply #38 - Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 11:38am

Yadda wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 10:32am:

darkhall67 wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 10:20am:

falah wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 11:00pm:

Infants 'have natural belief in God'

INFANTS are hard-wired to believe in God, and atheism has to be learned, according to an Oxford University psychologist.

Goodness me.

Science has to be learned.

Superstition has to be unlearned.

Stop the presses.

This is mindblowing stuff.

We should be basing all our beliefs on what babies think.

Certainly explains a lot about some of the posters on this site.

Luke 18:16
....Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.
17 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.

The nature of children....

Proverbs 3:32
For the froward is abomination to the LORD: but his secret is with the righteous.
33 The curse of the LORD is in the house of the wicked: but he blesseth the habitation of the just.
34 Surely he scorneth the scorners: but he giveth grace unto the lowly.

Psalms 25:12
What man is he that feareth the LORD? him shall he teach in the way that he shall choose.
13 His soul shall dwell at ease; and his seed shall inherit the earth.
14 The secret of the LORD is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant.

1:1 And the LORD called unto Moses, and spake unto him out of the tabernacle of the congregation, saying,
1:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any man of you bring an offering unto the LORD, ye shall bring your offering of the cattle, even of the herd, and of the flock.
1:3 If his offering be a burnt sacrifice of the herd, let him offer a male without blemish: he shall offer it of his own voluntary will at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation before the LORD.
1:4 And he shall put his hand upon the head of the burnt offering; and it shall be accepted for him to make atonement for him.
1:5 And he shall kill the bullock before the LORD: and the priests, Aaron's sons, shall bring the blood, and sprinkle the blood round about upon the altar that is by the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. (1:6) "Flay the burnt offering; cut it into pieces."

(1:8-9) "Lay ... the head, and the fat ... on the fire which is upon the altar: But his inwards and his legs ... burn all on the altar, to be a burnt sacrifice ... a sweet savour unto the LORD."
1:6 And he shall flay the burnt offering, and cut it into his pieces.
1:7 And the sons of Aaron the priest shall put fire upon the altar, and lay the wood in order upon the fire:
1:8 And the priests, Aaron's sons, shall lay the parts, the head, and the fat, in order upon the wood that is on the fire which is upon the altar:
1:9 But his inwards and his legs shall he wash in water: and the priest shall burn all on the altar, to be a burnt sacrifice, an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD.
1:10 And if his offering be of the flocks, namely, of the sheep, or of the goats, for a burnt sacrifice; he shall bring it a male without blemish.
1:11 And he shall kill it on the side of the altar northward before the LORD: and the priests, Aaron's sons, shall sprinkle his blood round about upon the altar.

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Reply #39 - Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 6:22pm

falah wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 11:00pm:

One has to do a lot of mental gymnastic to become an atheist:

Not true Falah.

We laugh at your mental gymnastics in saying Pickthal,Yusef Ali,Shakir,Muhsin Khan,etc all got the translation of this verse wrong and you are the only one who has it right.

http://quran.com/18/86
Tick all boxes on left and ask did all these Quran translators get it wrong

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Reply #40 - Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 9:27pm

falah wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 11:00pm:

One has to do a lot of mental gymnastic to become an atheist

What the hell do you know with your human mind and judgement, bearded son of Mohammed?? (a point you always bring up when western law is discussed).

No-one could be an atheist without Allah willing it. Nothing happens without Allah willing it. So lay of criticising people. Allah knows best.

Only Jews and Christrians have free will, not you, bearded numpty. Remember??? You converted out of free will. You are a goddam slave to Allah - so row, you bastard, row!!!

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Reply #41 - Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 10:02pm

Let's be clear about this. The ultimate answer to the ultimate question, 'Why is there life, the Universe and everything?' is unknown. Now anybody can try to fill that void with any answer that crosses their fancy.

The craters of the moon were containers for eggs that hatched. Some contained 'life force', others contained water, seeds, air etc, blah blah blah.

Nobody can disprove that. But it is very very unlikely.
So are the other answers that have had religions form around them.

Christianity - The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.

All religions boil down to nonsense. But you can't disprove anything in science. Neither can you prove things to be true. What you can do is prove a thing to be useful to believe and if you can't it isn't.

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Reply #42 - Mar 3^rd, 2012 at 8:47am

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 6:22pm:

falah wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 11:00pm:

One has to do a lot of mental gymnastic to become an atheist:

Not true Falah.

We laugh at your mental gymnastics in saying Pickthal,Yusef Ali,Shakir,Muhsin Khan,etc all got the translation of this verse wrong and you are the only one who has it right.

http://quran.com/18/86
Tick all boxes on left and ask did all these Quran translators get it wrong

English is my native language.

I have studied Ancient Arabic at diploma level in two different universities, before graduating with an Arabic major in my undergraduate degree at another university.

Can you tell me which of the translators you mentioned have Arabic majors as well as English as their native tongue?

I can tell you that none of the translators you have mentioned had Arabic as a native tongue or had university degrees in Arabic. Only Marmaduke Pickthall had English as his native tongue.

Ibn Katheer, an Arab who lived 700 years ago, is considered one of the greatest Arabic Quran scholars ever. He said that the verse means:

Quote:

فسلك طريقاً حتى وصل إلى أقصى ما يسلك فيه من الأرض من ناحية المغرب، وهو مغرب الأرض، وأما الوصول إلى مغرب الشمس من السماء فمتعذر، ،

He followed a route until he reached the furthest point that could be reached in the direction of the sun's setting, which is the west of the earth. (As for the idea) of his reaching the place in the sky where the sun sets, this is something impossible...

This is how Arab scholars understand the verse.

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Reply #43 - Mar 3^rd, 2012 at 8:58am

falah wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2012 at 8:47am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 6:22pm:

falah wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 11:00pm:

One has to do a lot of mental gymnastic to become an atheist:

Not true Falah.

We laugh at your mental gymnastics in saying Pickthal,Yusef Ali,Shakir,Muhsin Khan,etc all got the translation of this verse wrong and you are the only one who has it right.

http://quran.com/18/86
Tick all boxes on left and ask did all these Quran translators get it wrong

English is my native language.

I have studied Ancient Arabic at diploma level in two different universities, before graduating with an Arabic major in my undergraduate degree at another university.

Can you tell me which of the translators you mentioned have Arabic majors as well as English as their native tongue?

You could go to the forum at www.councilofexmuslims.com and try your mental gymnastics with the Arabic language with people who have arabic as a first language.
They even have a sub forum in Arabic they will laugh at your mental gymnastics with the Arabic language.

Do you expect us to belive every Quran translator has got it wrong and you are the only person who gets it right?

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Reply #44 - Mar 3^rd, 2012 at 9:17am

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2012 at 8:58am:

falah wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2012 at 8:47am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 6:22pm:

falah wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 11:00pm:

One has to do a lot of mental gymnastic to become an atheist:

Not true Falah.

We laugh at your mental gymnastics in saying Pickthal,Yusef Ali,Shakir,Muhsin Khan,etc all got the translation of this verse wrong and you are the only one who has it right.

http://quran.com/18/86
Tick all boxes on left and ask did all these Quran translators get it wrong

English is my native language.

I have studied Ancient Arabic at diploma level in two different universities, before graduating with an Arabic major in my undergraduate degree at another university.

Can you tell me which of the translators you mentioned have Arabic majors as well as English as their native tongue?

You could go to the forum at www.councilofexmuslims.com and try your mental gymnastics with the Arabic language with people who have arabic as a first language.
They even have a sub forum in Arabic they will laugh at your mental gymnastics with the Arabic language.

Most Arabs today have difficulty understanding Ancient Arabic. It is like a modern Australian trying to make sense of Shakespearean or Chaucer's English.

If you want to make sense of an ancient Arabic text, you do not ask an uneducated person who does not understand Ancient Arabic.

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