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Gunnedah to NBN: this is how you do it
Feb 21st, 2012 at 6:29pm
 
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Gunnedah high speed Wi-Fi internet works as leaked reports reveal NBN cost could blow out to $50b

WELCOME to Gunnedah, population 12,000, 440km from Sydney - and the first Wi-Fi town in Australia.
IT walks like the NBN, talks like the NBN - but is about $40 billion cheaper.

Welcome to Gunnedah, population 12,000, 440km from Sydney - and the first Wi-Fi town in Australia.
Instead of waiting years for fibre optic cables to be laid out to their doorsteps while small surrounding communities were left unconnected, the council teamed up with a new company to deliver high-speed Wi-Fi internet to doctors, patients, school students and every business in town.

The main street boasts free Wi-Fi as a new pilot scheme connects to the web using fibre optic cables that were laid three decades ago.

It comes as leaked reports reveal that capital spending on the National Broadband Network could top $50 billion.

[...]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/gunnedah-high-speed-wi-fi-internet-works-as-leaked-reports-reveal-nbn-cost-could-blow-out-to-50b/story-e6freuy9-1226213578597


We could buy Africa for cheaper than AUD$50 billion.
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Reply #1 - Feb 21st, 2012 at 7:08pm
 
LOL....good old Gunnedah. Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #2 - Feb 21st, 2012 at 7:16pm
 
so the NBN will now cost $50B??? who is surprised? so thats a 30% increase after on year. By the time it is finished (2030)it will end up costing $200B and  be unused as everyone has moved to 9G wireless with 200Mbps speeds
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Reply #3 - Feb 21st, 2012 at 8:56pm
 
What do you expect from a party who had an idiot like Peter Garrett trying to run a relatively small insulation program being given the education portfolio and a massive budget to go with it? If he couldn't run a small stimulus program, what hope does he have with his latest portfolio? This government is an absolute joke. They ought to have learnt by now to stay out of areas that should be left for business.
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Reply #4 - Feb 21st, 2012 at 9:43pm
 
http://nbnmyths.wordpress.com/

With the NBN and its related myths constantly evolving, this list was revised in August 2011

The total capital cost of the NBN is $36.9 billion dollars, not $50 billion. Of the $36.9bn, the government investment is set at $27 billion. The remainder will come from revenue and NBN Co’s private debt. Unlike most Government expendiature though, the NBN is forecast to return all of the Government funds, plus interest, by 2034. It is forecast to begin repaying the Government funds in 2020.

The $50 billion figure often quoted by Malcolm Turnbull is deceptive. It’s a “rounded up” number achieved by adding the NBN capital cost ($36.9bn), together with the payments to be made over time to Telstra for the leasing of their pit, pole and exchange network ($11bn). However, these payments to Telstra are operating expenses, which are paid from the revenue of the NBN. They take place gradually over its lifetime and do not add anything to the Government or debt funding required to build the NBN. Claiming they should be included in the cost of building the network would be akin to adding the cost of electricity to run the Opera House for 30 years to its build cost.

The project has been fully studied and costed by NBN Co and respected independent firms. The 2010 KPMG-McKinsey NBN Implementation Study found that the network could be built for $42.8bn (this was prior to the Telstra deal), would not have any net cost to the Government and would have an estimated net value of $40bn in 2025, earning a return on investment (ROI) of 6-7%, which is more than enough to repay the debt and equity used to build the project. The NBN Business case has also been independently analysed by respected global corporate advisor Greenhill-Caliburn, which found the revenue and cost projections in the business case were reasonable.




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Reply #5 - Feb 21st, 2012 at 9:50pm
 
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Dr Vint Cerf Along with a team of scientists, Dr Cerf “invented” the internet in the 1970s. He has been awarded the US National Medal of Technology, the Turing Award for Computer Science and is a member of the National Academy of Engineering.

“I am so envious that you have a government that is willing to make the long term infrastructure investment of this magnitude and of this type [in the NBN]. I will be pushing very hard for similar activities in the US but quite frankly you guys are way ahead of us…I consider this to be a stunning investment in infrastructure that in my view will have very long-term benefit. Infrastructure is all about enabling things and I see Australia is trying to enable innovation.”[ref] [ref]

Dr Hamadoun Touré Dr Touré is the secretary-general of the United Nations International Telecommunications division. He holds a Masters degree and a PhD in electrical engineering. He is a member of the IEEE and the Royal Swedish Academy of Engineering Sciences.

“‘The way I see it here, Australia has undertaken the largest infrastructure project ever. Three to five years from now, Australia will be No. 1 in broadband in the world. A large size country like this can be a test bed for any scenario that could happen anywhere else in the world and I can take that model to share anywhere else in the world.”[ref]

Steve Wozniak “Woz” is the co-founder of Apple Computer. He holds several patents for his invention of various computer-related technologies. Woz holds a PhD in electrical engineering from the University of California and honorary Doctor of Enginering degrees from Michigan State, Kettering, Carolina State, Nova Southeastern and Boulder Universities. He received the President’s National Medal of Technology in 1985 for his “contribution to the invention of the personal computer” and the Isaac Asimov Science Award in 2011.

‘The NBN is a great model…When I was here a few years ago, the attitude [in terms of broadband] was ‘Telstra is letting us down! It’s expensive and slow and the company is not making Australia number one in the world… I think the Australian Government finally recognised that recently and that is why it is putting in this network” [ref]

Professor Rod Tucker, PhD Rod is a Fellow of the IEEE and the Director of CUBIN at Melbourne University. He holds both a BE and PhD in Electrical Engineering, and has received numerous awards including the MA Sargent Award for his contributions to lasers and fibre-optics, and the Australia Prize for his outstanding contributions to Telecommunications.

“Building a broadband network will, as the government has pointed out, have the same kind of transformational impact as the railways in the 19th and 20th centuries…Australia is poised to be at the cutting edge of internet technology. But we are teetering on losing a once-in-a lifetime opportunity and returning to the broadband backwater.”[ref] [ref]

Dr Gordon Bell Dr Bell holds Bachelor of Science and Doctor of Science from MIT, was a fullbright scholar at UNSW, a Professor of Computer Science at Carnegie-Mellon University and received an honorary Doctor of Engineering from WPI. He worked as head of R&D at Digital Equipment for 23 years, and now heads the research division of Microsoft.

The [NBN] is essential infrastructure that needs to be put in place. I admire Australia for moving ahead to build such a network.”[ref]

Dr Philip McCrea Dr McCrea holds a BE (hons) in Electrical Engineering and a PhD in Computer Science from the University of NSW. He has over 32 years experience in the Australian IT industry, spanning both academia and commerce. He is currently the CEO of a computer bureau at the Australian Technology Park.

“Our belief is that Australia will benefit enormously from the introduction of the NBN”[ref]

Dr Terry Percival Dr Percival holds a BE and a Doctorate in Electrical Engineering. He was awarded the CSIRO medal for research leadership and has a long list of career achievements, including Research Manager at OTC designing satellite communication systems, and CSIRO Principle Research Scientist, contributing to the invention of WiFi. He is currently a Lab Director at the National Information / Communications Technology Australia (NICTA) research centre.

“..the new applications as they come, people are suddenly going to need more and more speed. To me the two biggest applications are Health and Education where latency and [video/audio] quality is a huge issue. [For eHealth to work] the video quality from the home to the clinic will have to be very high quality.”

“Another possibility… will be regional regeneration. As the NBN is rolled out, healthcare and jobs will become available thanks to telecommuting….Living in rural Australia is going to become much more attractive.”[ref]

Eric Schmidt PhD Eric holds a Bachelor of Science in Electrical Engineering from Princeton University, a Master of Science from the University of California (Berkeley), and a PhD in Electrical Engineering and Computer Science. He has taught at Stanford Business School and been on the board of trustees at both Carnegie-Mellon and Princeton Universities. He has worked for Bell Labs, Xerox, Sun Microsystems and Apple. He is currently the CEO of Google.

“…Australia is leading the world in understanding the importance of fibre. Your new Prime Minister as part of her campaign and now as part of her prime ministership, has announced that by roughly I think 2015, 2016, 93% of Australians – which I guess are all the folks in the cities – will have gigabit or equivalent service using fibre, and the other 7% will be handled through wireless services of a nature of LTE. This is leadership. And again, from Australia, which I think is wonderful.”[ref]

“The NBN and other investments in high speed broadband will act as a catalyst that will help to close the gap between Australia and the leading digital economies worldwide.

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Everytime I see someone linking to the Daily Telegraph I have to hold back hysterical laughter.
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Reply #7 - Feb 22nd, 2012 at 3:37am
 
GoddyofOz wrote on Feb 22nd, 2012 at 3:07am:
Everytime I see someone linking to the Daily Telegraph I have to hold back hysterical laughter.



yeah I feel the same way when i see CRIKEY and GETUP... funny how I see quite a few lefty journos writing in the Tele..Oakes/Richo..even Howes. but never seen anything like a righty writing on those two...
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Reply #8 - Feb 22nd, 2012 at 3:54am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 21st, 2012 at 9:43pm:
http://nbnmyths.wordpress.com/

With the NBN and its related myths constantly evolving, this list was revised in August 2011

The total capital cost of the NBN is $36.9 billion dollars, not $50 billion. Of the $36.9bn, the government investment is set at $27 billion. The remainder will come from revenue and NBN Co’s private debt. Unlike most Government expendiature though, the NBN is forecast to return all of the Government funds, plus interest, by 2034. It is forecast to begin repaying the Government funds in 2020.

The $50 billion figure often quoted by Malcolm Turnbull is deceptive. It’s a “rounded up” number achieved by adding the NBN capital cost ($36.9bn), together with the payments to be made over time to Telstra for the leasing of their pit, pole and exchange network ($11bn). However, these payments to Telstra are operating expenses, which are paid from the revenue of the NBN. They take place gradually over its lifetime and do not add anything to the Government or debt funding required to build the NBN. Claiming they should be included in the cost of building the network would be akin to adding the cost of electricity to run the Opera House for 30 years to its build cost.

The project has been fully studied and costed by NBN Co and respected independent firms. The 2010 KPMG-McKinsey NBN Implementation Study found that the network could be built for $42.8bn (this was prior to the Telstra deal), would not have any net cost to the Government and would have an estimated net value of $40bn in 2025, earning a return on investment (ROI) of 6-7%, which is more than enough to repay the debt and equity used to build the project. The NBN Business case has also been independently analysed by respected global corporate advisor Greenhill-Caliburn, which found the revenue and cost projections in the business case were reasonable.




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onsultants, lawyers, contractors: All aboard the NBN gravy train
BY: KEVIN MORGAN From: The Australian October 13, 2011 12:00AM 31 comments
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NATIONAL Broadband Network head Mike Quigley appears today before the joint parliamentary committee on the NBN's rollout, so perhaps he can explain what value is being delivered by the $36 billion taxpayer-backed project the Economist Intelligence Unit labelled in a recent survey of national broadband initiatives "an extreme example of government intervention". The report found Australian government spending on the NBN dwarfed government spending in any other market.

Quigley will have to not only justify the headline cost of the project but the limited and costly progress to date.

His first progress report submitted to the committee as executive chairman of NBN Co revealed that after two years and despite spending more than $800 million, only 18,000 homes had been passed with fibre-optic cable and a mere 600 connected. In contrast to the fanfare that accompanies parts of the NBN being turned on, the critical progress report was released two weeks ago, late in the evening, deliberately missing news deadlines. Why? Because it's clear from the report that the NBN is not shaping up as a good news story.

In Tasmania, where the network was first switched on, the take-up rate is less than 15 per cent. Worse, the cost of deploying what little fibre has been rolled out is double the estimate contained in NBN Co's first corporate plan. That November 2010 plan estimated it would cost $2300 to pass each household with fibre but the progress report suggests it is costing $4700 with connection adding a further $1000 per household.


If those construction costs cannot be reined in and were repeated for all 12 million premises, then the NBN's capital cost could blow out by $28bn.

In April, NBN Co ended negotiations with 14 contractors hinting there was collusion and price gouging. It's small wonder there couldn't be a deal given the vast gap between what the government has budgeted and actual costs.

No one, of course, is pointing out that the NBN's costs could explode. Why would they when NBN Co's 900 employees are averaging more than $150,000 a year? And the gravy train doesn't stop there. Consultants, lawyers and IT contractors are doing even better. In the 12 months to June, NBN Co spent $60m on consultants and a whopping $42m on legal costs while $220m has been spent or committed to a billing and operational support system even though NBN Co will be dealing with at most only a couple of hundred customers. And this cost could double.

Nor are the country independents who supported the Gillard government being neglected. Pushing fibre farther out into rural communities means the costs of serving some rural households could approach $8000, and when the fibre stops the wireless and satellite subsidy will cut in.

Earlier estimates in the corporate plan show that the average capital cost of an NBN broadband connection through wireless or satellite will be $14,600 and with revenues of only $80m a year each wireless and satellite connection will need an annual subsidy of $1700.

And even NBN Co's potential rivals are in on the act. Telstra is set to sign off on a $13.8bn deal that will see nearly $3bn in contracts for use of Telstra's fibre-optic cables and exchanges locked in, even if the NBN isn't fully built. Taxpayers are underwriting the deal. NBN Co is also buying out the Optus pay-TV network for more than $1bn, a price that Optus could only have dreamed of on the open market. Truly an Alan Bond moment for Optus chief executive Paul O'Sullivan. This is happening at Telstra's behest in possibly the most anti-competitive deal yet seen in Australia.

These realities lie far from the government's spin that the NBN will come in on budget and deliver affordable broadband to all Australians. Again, earlier estimates released by NBN Co put the lie to that. If the NBN's business case is to comenear stacking up, even without the massive cost blowouts that are threatened, within 10 years Australians will have to spend more than three times as much on fixed-line broadband as they do today. That's a big call when broadband prices have fallen for the past 10 years.

Clearly many won't be in a position to pay more for NBN services and that is obvious from Tasmania, where the pork-barrelling that underpins the NBN saw it rolled out to communities in marginal seats such as Scottsdale and Smithton where more than 40 per cent of households, double the national average, have incomes below $800 a week. And even households better able to pay may not take up the higher speed, higher-cost services essential to the NBN's success. The number of wireless (mobile) broadband users now rivals fixed-line users and spending on wireless broadband will soon match spending on fixed-line broadband.

Faced with a choice between higher speed fixed-line broadband over fibre and the utility and convenience of mobile broadband, many consumers will spend their discretionary dollar on mobile.

That will shoot further holes in the NBN's fragile business case, but that scarcely matters to the government, desperate to spin the NBN as a good news story through to the next election. It may not because it is becoming increasingly clear that the NBN's attempts to deploy higher speed broadband will be marked by cost blowouts and delays that cannot be hidden.

Kevin Morgan served on Kim Beazley's ministerial committee on telecom reform on behalf of the ACTU and is an independent telecom consultant.






no offence phil... but the truth is all in the mind of the believer....nothing but nothing has come in on budget....why anyone would think this enormous project will is a mystery... did you see what the exec are getting paid???...lol
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