And I thought vegetable and DNA were raving lunatics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeNDSeknn_c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNOY75_rsl8&feature=related

http://ipa.org.au/publications/1888/tim-flannery-climate-prophet

In an October 2006 opinion piece for The Age newspaper, entitled ‘Climate's last chance', Flannery asked readers to imagine what a 25 metre sea rise would look like. ‘Picture an eight-storey building by a beach, then imagine waves lapping its roof,' he said. Given the Australian Bureau of Meteorology estimates that, at worst, Australia's sea-level has risen by 10mm per year for the last two decades (and as little as 1.5mm per year in some areas), it will take thousands of years to reach Flannery's alarmist prophecy, if current trends persist.

Speaking at the National Climate Change Forum shortly after his appointment as Climate Commissioner, Professor Flannery warned Australian families their summer trips to the beach would be a thing of the past. ‘It's hardly surprising that beaches are going to disappear with climate change,' he said.

Flannery has predicted that many of Australia's capital cities would all run out of water at different times. In 2004 he predicted that ‘Perth will be the 21st century's first ghost metropolis.' The following year, he said that Sydney could run out of water in as little as two years.
Undaunted by that botched prediction, he tried again in 2007, saying Adelaide, Sydney and Brisbane would ‘need desalinated water urgently, possibly in as little as 18 months.'

Undeterred by their failure to dry-out, Flannery was at it again in 2008, arguing that ‘the water problem for Adelaide is so severe that it may run out of water by early 2009.' Of course, even amid a severe drought, none of these cities have met Flannery's doomsday scenarios.

And the forecast from his 2007 article in the New Scientist magazine that ‘Australia is likely to lose its northern rainfall' looks awfully silly against recent flooding rains in Queensland.

These failed prophecies have all the hallmarks of a religious cult-leader or wacko preacher predicting Armageddon-if we don't atone for our environmental ‘sins' against the planet. The idea that we have sinned against Gaia-by its very nature a religious or moral question rather than a scientific or economic one-has never been far from Flannery's comments.

In 2007, for example, he mused that ‘some may say that Australia deserves its fate' because of our then failure to ratify the Kyoto treaty and as a high per-capita emitter of carbon dioxide.

making flawed predictions is the stuff of your average climate hysteric. nothing new here.

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 20^th, 2012 at 8:00pm:

lol yes tims pseudo science says no rain, no snow, droughts for all and for ever. That is such good science there jolly.

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 20^th, 2012 at 8:00pm:


When I went to university science aimed to accurately depict and describe the physical world. climate scientists are trying to do so, but are woefully short of the mark. every model they build fails by a huge margin and every prediction is so wrong that flipping a coin would be more accurate.

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 21^st, 2012 at 7:46am:


Liar.

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 21^st, 2012 at 8:06am:

There is plenty of room for real science, just not mann made science and the church pseudo climate science. Have you watched that video and learnt something about science yet?

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 21^st, 2012 at 8:06am:



Mmmm, I'll consult some tree rings and icy poles and see what the future holds.

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 21^st, 2012 at 10:20am:

As they are retro fitted and they are simply not accurate at all, either is Hansens predictions.

You learnt anything from the movie yet?

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 21^st, 2012 at 12:02pm:


Show me where a publish (in scientific journal) model prediction has proven wrong then ?

muso wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2012 at 9:51am:


I know, but its fun.

From dimwits like progs and longy I can expect it.   What disappoints me the most is the supposed educated people in the liberal party pushing similar lies merely for political ends.   Rather sickening.  Of course, over time, they'll say they were only arguing for "australia not going it alone" or some such rubish rather than denying gw outright.   But in the meantime they make no effort to put right the outright deniers BS.  Using it simply as a political tool.

Sneaky.  Stereotyped by the sneakiest of all. J.W.Howard. "Honest, no really, John" as longy calls him.

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2012 at 2:16pm:


I was wrong. There is a coherent counter claim. Here it is:

http://www.cybrator.com/global_warming_lie.html



I just found out what method Piers Corbyn uses to foretell the weather:

http://www.predictweather.com/

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Whoa! - I am not worthy.    Buy your Weather almanac here. The experts are all wrong. 

No matter what field of science, you will always find people claiming that the experts are wrong, if you look in all the wrong places.  That's ok, but the litmus test is the argument that they are putting forward, not the person himself.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 11:02am:


So you are refuting longy's claim that "predictions made using computer models that are woefully inaccurate" is stupid as well ?

"Even the rain falls won't be enough to fill our dams". What happened? Warragamba dam is now well over 100% filled. PLEASE EXPLAIN.

adelcrow wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 6:09pm:



The above from someone allegedly with is it two or three uni degrees?

blackadder wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 6:12pm:


Just repeating liar liar without coming up with the whole story isnt my tactics..
But your right, it sure looks stupid doesnt it?
Kinda makes you wonder how the ultra conservatives fall for it every day of the week. But it works for the Tea Party so its no wonder Abbott copied it.

adelcrow wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 6:17pm:


Why don't YOU actually debate the facts, adel? Flannery said this, and it's turned out to be a complete lie.

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 6:23pm:



Seriously you should be careful when you post crap that you know bugger all about.

Once in  a lifetime hey dopey.

http://www.em.gov.au/Documents/Reconciling%20development%20with%20floods%20risks.pdf

http://bonzle.com/c/a?a=p&p=288488&cmd=sp&d=pics

http://trove.nla.gov.au/result?q=Windsor%20flood

http://www.planning.nsw.gov.au/assessingdev/pdf/WindsorDGReport.pdf

http://www.hawkesburyaustralia.com.au/information/thingsToDo_windsor.asp

The Hawkesbury River used to flood every year around February. Windsor and surrounding areas were underwater. If you were up the hill in Freemans Reach, you could look out over a huge ocean. The area has been flooding since Green Hills was established in the late 1700s. It hasn't flooded here for years, but that's because they dammed Warragamba and they've now built a spillway there so they don't have to open the floodgates when the dam is too full. Take a look at the houses in McQuade Avenue at South Windsor to see how high the water used to get.

http://www.news.com.au/national/flash-floods-set-to-soak-nsw/story-e6frfkvr-1226282545857

blackadder wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 6:41pm:


The highlighted text is a comment from shamaroo of Hawkesbury, NSW a comment is all you have and you call me dopey FFS!!!

Who are you calling dopey your links are worthless which is why I have fixed them for you so people can see for themselves what a deceitful @#&* you are???

http://www.climatechangeinaustralia.gov.au/recentchanges.php

Australia and the globe are experiencing rapid climate change. Since the middle of the 20th century, Australian temperatures have, on average, risen by about 1°C with an increase in the frequency of heatwaves and a decrease in the numbers of frosts and cold days. Rainfall patterns have also changed - the northwest has seen an increase in rainfall over the last 50 years while much of eastern Australia and the far southwest have experienced a decline

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/change/

You are a flake fat man!!!

Typical, no lefty that's responded so far has actually faced up to, or defended, the facts. Why?

matty wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 7:01pm:


What facts?

I love how he disappears when he digs himself a hole about "facts".

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 7:04pm:


Please see post to Oz.

matty wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 7:17pm:




A prediction that turns out to be incorrect is not a lie.


A statement of fact that is said knowing the fact is incorrect is a lie.

You can not state a fact about a future weather event, so this proves Tim didn't lie and you owe him an apology.


Do you chase weather forecasters around too and call them liars?

matty wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 5:43pm:


Yeah there is, so where are the facts, where is the link to the quote so we can fully understand the context of Mr Flannery's supposed words, I say supposed because I have no reference to them.
Are you really in Uni, is this how you would present facts in an essay?
Bibliography, look it up

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By Tim Flannery

stryder wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 7:30pm:


You beat me to it, stryder.

why should we believe anything else that he says,


Because the dopey philperth says we should.

Quote:
By Matty



 

____ wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 7:39pm:


See post #25.

Kat wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 7:43pm:


The point is, that Flannery said that the dams would never fill again; there simply wouldn't be enough rain to do so.

matty wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 7:43pm:




That is one sentence ... one sentence possibly taken out of context.

Do you have a link to his full statement please so we can deduce if it was a prediction.

stryder wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 7:30pm:


Care to quote the levels of Warragamba dam in 07.

Is it feasible that desalination would have been required in 18 months?
I hope so because Sydney built one.

And on the subtext of CC, we are told to expect extremes on both ends, which frankly we seem to be getting.

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By dsmithy

Will Australian cities have water issues during the next drought is one thing here.


Yet the only reason this is being a chased is because tim is head of the climate change commission.

A commission lame duck wants to scrap.

And by attacking Tim, this is meant to empower the hard rights position.


Is this correct?

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By dsmithy

blackadder wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 8:06pm:


Yeah that's fine BA.
The science is trying to warn us, and frankly we seem hell bent on ignoring those warnings.
Fine, as I've posted numerous times I have little faith that we as a species will actually get it in time.
But lets just see how often these things happen, 10 years of drought then 2?? years of floods.
It was always cyclic but to these extremes??

It was always cyclic but to these extremes??


Yep always has been and always will be. Talk to old timers on the land.

Is that what the opposition leader gets paid 180K


P1ss off idiot.

I thought one thread about Tim Flannery would be enough, so I combined them.