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Flannery is a goose.
Feb 20th, 2012 at 6:05pm
 
And I thought vegetable and DNA were raving lunatics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeNDSeknn_c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNOY75_rsl8&feature=related

http://ipa.org.au/publications/1888/tim-flannery-climate-prophet

In an October 2006 opinion piece for The Age newspaper, entitled ‘Climate's last chance', Flannery asked readers to imagine what a 25 metre sea rise would look like. ‘Picture an eight-storey building by a beach, then imagine waves lapping its roof,' he said. Given the Australian Bureau of Meteorology estimates that, at worst, Australia's sea-level has risen by 10mm per year for the last two decades (and as little as 1.5mm per year in some areas), it will take thousands of years to reach Flannery's alarmist prophecy, if current trends persist.

Speaking at the National Climate Change Forum shortly after his appointment as Climate Commissioner, Professor Flannery warned Australian families their summer trips to the beach would be a thing of the past. ‘It's hardly surprising that beaches are going to disappear with climate change,' he said.

Flannery has predicted that many of Australia's capital cities would all run out of water at different times. In 2004 he predicted that ‘Perth will be the 21st century's first ghost metropolis.' The following year, he said that Sydney could run out of water in as little as two years.
Undaunted by that botched prediction, he tried again in 2007, saying Adelaide, Sydney and Brisbane would ‘need desalinated water urgently, possibly in as little as 18 months.'

Undeterred by their failure to dry-out, Flannery was at it again in 2008, arguing that ‘the water problem for Adelaide is so severe that it may run out of water by early 2009.' Of course, even amid a severe drought, none of these cities have met Flannery's doomsday scenarios.

And the forecast from his 2007 article in the New Scientist magazine that ‘Australia is likely to lose its northern rainfall' looks awfully silly against recent flooding rains in Queensland.

These failed prophecies have all the hallmarks of a religious cult-leader or wacko preacher predicting Armageddon-if we don't atone for our environmental ‘sins' against the planet. The idea that we have sinned against Gaia-by its very nature a religious or moral question rather than a scientific or economic one-has never been far from Flannery's comments.

In 2007, for example, he mused that ‘some may say that Australia deserves its fate' because of our then failure to ratify the Kyoto treaty and as a high per-capita emitter of carbon dioxide.
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Reply #1 - Feb 20th, 2012 at 6:11pm
 
blackadder wrote on Feb 20th, 2012 at 6:05pm:
And I thought vegetable and DNA were raving lunatics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeNDSeknn_c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNOY75_rsl8&feature=related

http://ipa.org.au/publications/1888/tim-flannery-climate-prophet

In an October 2006 opinion piece for The Age newspaper, entitled ‘Climate's last chance', Flannery asked readers to imagine what a 25 metre sea rise would look like. ‘Picture an eight-storey building by a beach, then imagine waves lapping its roof,' he said. Given the Australian Bureau of Meteorology estimates that, at worst, Australia's sea-level has risen by 10mm per year for the last two decades (and as little as 1.5mm per year in some areas), it will take thousands of years to reach Flannery's alarmist prophecy, if current trends persist.

Speaking at the National Climate Change Forum shortly after his appointment as Climate Commissioner, Professor Flannery warned Australian families their summer trips to the beach would be a thing of the past. ‘It's hardly surprising that beaches are going to disappear with climate change,' he said.

Flannery has predicted that many of Australia's capital cities would all run out of water at different times. In 2004 he predicted that ‘Perth will be the 21st century's first ghost metropolis.' The following year, he said that Sydney could run out of water in as little as two years.
Undaunted by that botched prediction, he tried again in 2007, saying Adelaide, Sydney and Brisbane would ‘need desalinated water urgently, possibly in as little as 18 months.'

Undeterred by their failure to dry-out, Flannery was at it again in 2008, arguing that ‘the water problem for Adelaide is so severe that it may run out of water by early 2009.' Of course, even amid a severe drought, none of these cities have met Flannery's doomsday scenarios.

And the forecast from his 2007 article in the New Scientist magazine that ‘Australia is likely to lose its northern rainfall' looks awfully silly against recent flooding rains in Queensland.

These failed prophecies have all the hallmarks of a religious cult-leader or wacko preacher predicting Armageddon-if we don't atone for our environmental ‘sins' against the planet. The idea that we have sinned against Gaia-by its very nature a religious or moral question rather than a scientific or economic one-has never been far from Flannery's comments.

In 2007, for example, he mused that ‘some may say that Australia deserves its fate' because of our then failure to ratify the Kyoto treaty and as a high per-capita emitter of carbon dioxide.


He also said we'd never have enough rain to fill QLD dams around now. What an idiot he is!
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Reply #2 - Feb 20th, 2012 at 6:42pm
 
making flawed predictions is the stuff of your average climate hysteric. nothing new here.
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Reply #3 - Feb 20th, 2012 at 8:00pm
 
Must be "pick on tim" day.

Deniers 101 handbook.  When beaten by science, resort to personal attacks.
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Reply #4 - Feb 20th, 2012 at 8:08pm
 
Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 20th, 2012 at 8:00pm:
Must be "pick on tim" day.

Deniers 101 handbook.  When beaten by science, resort to personal attacks.

lol yes tims pseudo science says no rain, no snow, droughts for all and for ever. That is such good science there jolly.
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Reply #5 - Feb 21st, 2012 at 6:53am
 
Before making any more worthless predictions the resident haruspex from the Church of Global Warming, Tim Flannery will need to get himself some new animals intestines to read.
The old ones are off.
This sort of thing didn't happen in the old days.
A haruspex knew when his mojo was off and didn't require telling.
This possibly has something to do with a lack of consequences nowadays for getting it wrong all the time.
There's no incentive left.
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Reply #6 - Feb 21st, 2012 at 7:46am
 
Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 20th, 2012 at 8:00pm:
Must be "pick on tim" day.

Deniers 101 handbook.  When beaten by science, resort to personal attacks.


When I went to university science aimed to accurately depict and describe the physical world. climate scientists are trying to do so, but are woefully short of the mark. every model they build fails by a huge margin and every prediction is so wrong that flipping a coin would be more accurate.
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Reply #7 - Feb 21st, 2012 at 7:48am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Feb 21st, 2012 at 7:46am:
Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 20th, 2012 at 8:00pm:
Must be "pick on tim" day.

Deniers 101 handbook.  When beaten by science, resort to personal attacks.


When I went to university science aimed to accurately depict and describe the physical world. climate scientists are trying to do so, but are woefully short of the mark. every model they build fails by a huge margin and every prediction is so wrong that flipping a coin would be more accurate.

Speaking of flipping coins, Jolly knows weatheraction can do better than that.
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Reply #8 - Feb 21st, 2012 at 8:03am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Feb 21st, 2012 at 7:46am:
Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 20th, 2012 at 8:00pm:
Must be "pick on tim" day.

Deniers 101 handbook.  When beaten by science, resort to personal attacks.


When I went to university .....


Liar.

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Reply #9 - Feb 21st, 2012 at 8:06am
 
Some of you right wing nutters want to drag us back to the dark ages.

I suspect many of you resent academics and would have universities bulldozed and scientists burned at the stake.

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Reply #10 - Feb 21st, 2012 at 8:12am
 
Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 21st, 2012 at 8:06am:
Some of you right wing nutters want to drag us back to the dark ages.

I suspect many of you resent academics and would have universities bulldozed and scientists burned at the stake.


There is plenty of room for real science, just not mann made science and the church pseudo climate science. Have you watched that video and learnt something about science yet?


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Reply #11 - Feb 21st, 2012 at 8:16am
 
Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 21st, 2012 at 8:06am:
Some of you right wing nutters want to drag us back to the dark ages.

I suspect many of you resent academics and would have universities bulldozed and scientists burned at the stake.



you'd do better by not trying to paint everyone who disagrees with you in such terms. if you want to debate the issue then do so on actual science - not opinion.

and you can start with explaining to me why we should trust predictions made using computer models that are woefully inaccurate? the litmus test for every computer model (in every area) is that it should be able to 'reverse-predict' the  past using this model. In every single case, the models have failed to do so.

so explain why we should spend so much money and change everything we do on the basis of predictions that have zero chance of being correct?
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Reply #12 - Feb 21st, 2012 at 8:16am
 
Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 21st, 2012 at 8:06am:
Some of you right wing nutters want to drag us back to the dark ages.

I suspect many of you resent academics and would have universities bulldozed and scientists burned at the stake.




Mmmm, I'll consult some tree rings and icy poles and see what the future holds. Smiley
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Reply #13 - Feb 21st, 2012 at 10:20am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Feb 21st, 2012 at 8:16am:
Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 21st, 2012 at 8:06am:
Some of you right wing nutters want to drag us back to the dark ages.

I suspect many of you resent academics and would have universities bulldozed and scientists burned at the stake.



you'd do better by not trying to paint everyone who disagrees with you in such terms. if you want to debate the issue then do so on actual science - not opinion.

and you can start with explaining to me why we should trust predictions made using computer models that are woefully inaccurate? the litmus test for every computer model (in every area) is that it should be able to 'reverse-predict' the  past using this model. In every single case, the models have failed to do so.

so explain why we should spend so much money and change everything we do on the basis of predictions that have zero chance of being correct?


Youve got your facts wrong again.  The computer models have been astonishingly accurate, and there accuracy increases year by year as they are tuned with more up to date data.

That is why we must act now, because the models are telling us a very accurate and nasty future.
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Reply #14 - Feb 21st, 2012 at 10:44am
 
Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 21st, 2012 at 10:20am:
longweekend58 wrote on Feb 21st, 2012 at 8:16am:
Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 21st, 2012 at 8:06am:
Some of you right wing nutters want to drag us back to the dark ages.

I suspect many of you resent academics and would have universities bulldozed and scientists burned at the stake.



you'd do better by not trying to paint everyone who disagrees with you in such terms. if you want to debate the issue then do so on actual science - not opinion.

and you can start with explaining to me why we should trust predictions made using computer models that are woefully inaccurate? the litmus test for every computer model (in every area) is that it should be able to 'reverse-predict' the  past using this model. In every single case, the models have failed to do so.

so explain why we should spend so much money and change everything we do on the basis of predictions that have zero chance of being correct?


Youve got your facts wrong again.  The computer models have been astonishingly accurate, and there accuracy increases year by year as they are tuned with more up to date data.

That is why we must act now, because the models are telling us a very accurate and nasty future.

As they are retro fitted and they are simply not accurate at all, either is Hansens predictions.

You learnt anything from the movie yet?
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