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Re: The Gillard Governments Fair Work Act Review.
Reply #30 - Feb 20^th, 2012 at 9:22am

corporate_whitey wrote on Feb 20^th, 2012 at 8:30am:

blackadder wrote on Feb 20^th, 2012 at 8:22am:

Unmitigated balderdash of course people are being forced to work Saturdays and Sundays and its time the practice stopped.

How the hell would you know fat stuff???

Why don't you find a bridge or a building to jump off.

Ooh Temper temper...http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/userpics/12075/tantrum-smiley.gif

If Governmement and Business are trying to force me to work for them - and in Casual conditions, its time those Red Communists were pushed out - thats why... Cool

how is anyone FORCED to do anything in this country????if they dont pay you the dole then you go out and rob someone.. easy peasy,

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corporate_whitey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8896 Archivist	Re: The Gillard Governments Fair Work Act Review. Reply #31 - Feb 20^th, 2012 at 9:47am If the Government is trying to force us to work in Casual Jobs for them,- those Red Communists need to be forced from power - they have no right to sit in the Parliament.
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Reply #32 - Feb 20^th, 2012 at 10:07am

corporate_whitey wrote on Feb 20^th, 2012 at 9:47am:

If the Government is trying to force us to work in Casual Jobs for them,- those Red Communists need to be forced from power - they have no right to sit in the Parliament.

Cool

a big IF...why bleat about something that will never happen to you?

fancy being made to work what a terrible thought...

if your computer breaks down will you mind if the guys that fix it.. say sorry I dont want to work..get on without it?.

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Reply #33 - Feb 20^th, 2012 at 11:01am

blackadder wrote on Feb 20^th, 2012 at 8:22am:

Unmitigated balderdash of course people are being forced to work Saturdays and Sundays and its time the practice stopped.

How the hell would you know fat stuff???

Why don't you find a bridge or a building to jump off.

I have been in several situations where people who were not shift workers have been put on weekend rosters. Its not particularly uncommon.

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Reply #34 - Feb 20^th, 2012 at 11:54am

Very interesting Dnarever. I was sacked once from a job because of overtime. The job was a casual worker working 7 days a week. Which I didn't really mind, as it was good money. (Penalty rates came into it). Problem is, the place started wanting 12 hour shifts. Now when I started the job (No one) told me there would be any 12 hour days. I started saying no to working the overtime here and there. Next thing I know the company complains to the employment agency. I get a phone call from the agency, and they tell me I am out of order for not doing the overtime. So I start doing the 12 hour shifts. Now remember, this is a 7 day a week job. Next thing I know, from a couple of nights they spring on even more overtime. I start saying no again, but still prepared to do a few 12 hour shifts. Next thing a phone call from agency- Don't go back, you didn't do the overtime. I'm put out of a job. Sad

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Re: The Gillard Governments Fair Work Act Review.
Reply #35 - Feb 20^th, 2012 at 12:24pm

cods wrote on Feb 20^th, 2012 at 10:07am:

corporate_whitey wrote on Feb 20^th, 2012 at 9:47am:

If the Government is trying to force us to work in Casual Jobs for them,- those Red Communists need to be forced from power - they have no right to sit in the Parliament.

Cool

a big IF...why bleat about something that will never happen to you?

fancy being made to work what a terrible thought...

if your computer breaks down will you mind if the guys that fix it.. say sorry I dont want to work..get on without it?.

Yes, but I believe that a Government that exploits its citizens and forces them to work in Casual jobs for them with low pay and conditions deserves to be overthrown, I have no doubt about that - Governments should not be forcing citizens to work for them as Casuals... Cool

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corporate_whitey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8896 Archivist	Re: The Gillard Governments Fair Work Act Review. Reply #36 - Feb 20^th, 2012 at 1:14pm I don't believe and Australian should ever tolerate being forced to work for a Red Communist Government in an economy deliberately engineered so only Casual work and conditions is available.
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Reply #37 - Feb 20^th, 2012 at 1:29pm

blackadder wrote on Feb 20^th, 2012 at 8:06am:

Weekly standard rate $686.20

Hourly standard rate $18.06

If you are going to talk about something crook get it right.

Where are you getting that figure from?

The hourly rate under the General Retail Industry Award 2010 is $17.03 (Level 1)

http://www.fwa.gov.au/documents/modern_awards/pdf/MA000004.pdf

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Reply #38 - Feb 20^th, 2012 at 3:55pm

Uncle Meat wrote on Feb 20^th, 2012 at 1:29pm:

blackadder wrote on Feb 20^th, 2012 at 8:06am:

Weekly standard rate $686.20

Hourly standard rate $18.06

If you are going to talk about something crook get it right.

Where are you getting that figure from?

The hourly rate under the General Retail Industry Award 2010 is $17.03 (Level 1)

http://www.fwa.gov.au/documents/modern_awards/pdf/MA000004.pdf

July 1st 2011.

http://www.fairwork.gov.au/industries/retail/pay/pages/allowances.aspx

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Reply #39 - Feb 20^th, 2012 at 6:42pm

blackadder wrote on Feb 20^th, 2012 at 3:55pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on Feb 20^th, 2012 at 1:29pm:

blackadder wrote on Feb 20^th, 2012 at 8:06am:

Weekly standard rate $686.20

Hourly standard rate $18.06

If you are going to talk about something crook get it right.

Where are you getting that figure from?

The hourly rate under the General Retail Industry Award 2010 is $17.03 (Level 1)

http://www.fwa.gov.au/documents/modern_awards/pdf/MA000004.pdf

July 1st 2011.

http://www.fairwork.gov.au/industries/retail/pay/pages/allowances.aspx

You're looking at the wrong thing.

Not all employees get the allowances.

" ... allowances that may apply to your employees."

Plus, that's the 'standard' rate, not the minimum (two different things).

"The standard rate is the minimum wage for the Retail Employee Level 4."

The minimum rate today for a Level 1 employee is $17.03.

Don't be fooled by the name of the Award.
The "2010" in the title refers to when the Modern Awards were introduced.

The pay rates have been adjusted accordingly, and the $17.03 rate is applicable today.

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Reply #40 - Feb 20^th, 2012 at 7:46pm

You will notice as you read clause 20 of the Retail Award, that some allowances are calculated as a percentage of the 'standard rate'. The standard rate is the minimum wage for the Retail Employee Level 4 classification as it appears in the award. The standard rate may be updated on 1 July each year and is currently:

Employment catgeory Effective 1 July 2011

Weekly standard rate $686.20
Hourly standard rate $18.06

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corporate_whitey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8896 Archivist	Re: The Gillard Governments Fair Work Act Review. Reply #41 - Feb 20^th, 2012 at 7:56pm The issue is casual labour, no Government should be tolerated that forces people into casual labour.
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Reply #42 - Feb 20^th, 2012 at 9:25pm

blackadder wrote on Feb 20^th, 2012 at 7:46pm:

You will notice as you read clause 20 of the Retail Award, that some allowances are calculated as a percentage of the 'standard rate'. The standard rate is the minimum wage for the Retail Employee Level 4 classification as it appears in the award. The standard rate may be updated on 1 July each year and is currently:

Employment catgeory Effective 1 July 2011

Weekly standard rate $686.20
Hourly standard rate $18.06

Yes, I already explained where you went wrong and now you're repeating the same mistake.

That's a Level 4 employee, not a Level 1 (and it's used for calculating allowances, not for determining the minimum wage).

You're confusing yourself by looking at the 'standard' rate.
The standard rate is not the minimum for a retail employee.
The minimum for a retail employee is Level 1: $17.03 per hour.

All employees start on Level 1.

The current minimum rate is $17.03 per hour for a Level 1.

Check for yourself:

https://extranet.deewr.gov.au/ccmsv8/CiLiteKnowledgeDetailsFrameset.htm?Database...

"Effective from 01 July 2011"

The 'standard' rate is used for calculating allowances. It's the base (or standard) they work from for allowances.

" ... the hourly pay of an adult permanent Retail Employee Level 1 is increased from $16.47 per hour to $17.03 per hour."

http://www.sdansw.org.au/news/3-4-pay-increase-for-award-covered-retail-workers/

"Under the General Retail Industry Award 2010 (the modern retail award) the relevant award rate, for shop assistants, is only $17.03 per hour ... "

http://www.actu.org.au/Images/Dynamic/attachments/7379/Submission%20on%20draft%2... page 4 2 September 2011

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corporate_whitey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8896 Archivist	Re: The Gillard Governments Fair Work Act Review. Reply #43 - Feb 20^th, 2012 at 10:36pm The Government has no right to force people, to work casual jobs.
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Uncle Meat Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2434 Tasmania Gender:	Re: The Gillard Governments Fair Work Act Review. Reply #44 - Feb 20^th, 2012 at 10:41pm corporate_whitey wrote on Feb 20^th, 2012 at 10:36pm: The Government has no right to force people, to work casual jobs. What are you talking about, exactly? Please elaborate.
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