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Re: What will Abbott do???
Reply #75 - Feb 20th, 2012 at 1:36pm
 
Clanky wrote on Feb 20th, 2012 at 1:29pm:
Actually I'm disappointed that my post is met simply by personal insults and none of the substance addressed. Apparently one of the offenders is an ex-moderator here, which is very disturbing.

As you can see I am new, with less than 12 posts, so I cannot PM a moderator (Which, believe me, I would).

Personal insults are not only against the rules of the forum, which I just agreed to, but they are the refuge of Trolls.

I am leaving this forum, and deleting my personal information. I am leaving just because of these personal insults in this thread.

Good Bye.


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Reply #76 - Feb 20th, 2012 at 2:59pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 20th, 2012 at 12:37pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Feb 20th, 2012 at 12:01pm:
Your opening rant lost a lot of credibility when you referred to the NBN as a giant money-spinner. not even NBN Corp and the ALP think that and they are a optimistic as it comes. They are HOPING it might breakeven sometime in our lifetime.


Rubbish.....where do you get your lack of information???

NBN Facts.....
On 7 April 2009, the government initially committed to investing up to $43 billion in the NBN.

On 20 December 2010, NBN Co Limited’s (NBN Co) Corporate Plan confirmed the total capital expenditure for the project is estimated to be $35.9 billion, less than the government’s original $43 billion estimate. The government expects to contribute $27.5 billion in equity for the rollout.

NBN Co’s Corporate Plan confirms that the NBN will provide all Australians with world-class broadband on a financially viable basis at affordable prices.

All Australians will benefit from the rollout of the National Broadband Network, either directly or indirectly. High-speed broadband is essential for Australia’s economy, future growth and international competitiveness. The NBN will improve access to business and job opportunities, health, education and government services and it will allow Australians to more easily share common interests and keep in touch, regardless of location.

People living in regional, rural and remote areas will have improved access to specialists and doctors without having to travel long distances. Students will have opportunities to expand their learning through access to education and research through material transmitted through the internet in real-time. Businesses with an online presence will become more competitive in a globally connected world.

The NBN is the biggest reform in telecommunications ever because it delivers separation between the infrastructure provider and retail services providers. This means better and fairer infrastructure access for retail services providers, greater retail competition and better services for families and businesses.

Online engagement can also reduce feelings of isolation and enhance family relationships.    It can be of particular value to families or family members who are geographically isolated or live far from home.

Allen Consulting estimates that a 10 per cent increase in Australians using the internet will lead to an increase of 0.44 per cent to national GDP. In addition, if the number of Australian households connected to the internet increased by 10 per cent, it would provide gains to households of $2.4 billion per annum in terms of consumer surplus.

The Australian Government has committed that, by 2020, Australia will rank in the top five nations in the OECD in the portion of households that connect to broadband at home.Additional benefits include:

Education: High-speed broadband, delivered to every Australian household, has the potential to extend the reach, availability and quality of education services, regardless of location. The NBN’s greater capacity will allow for more immersive online interactions, resulting in higher quality outcomes for students. The Australian Government has committed that, by 2020, all schools, TAFEs, universities and higher education institutions will have the connectivity to extend access to online learning resources to the home and the facilities to offer students, who cannot access specialist classes via traditional means, the opportunity for online virtual classes.

Health: Australia’s health system is facing increased pressure due to our ageing population, increased rates of chronic disease and health workforce challenges. The NBN will enable homes, doctors’ surgeries, pharmacies, clinics, hospitals, aged care facilities and allied health professionals to connect to affordable, reliable, high-speed and high capacity broadband. This represents a major opportunity to improve the way healthcare is delivered in Australia. The Australian Government has committed that, by 2020, 20 per cent of medical consultations will use electronic or telehealth capabilities – meaning providers will be able to diagnose, monitor and provide ongoing care to patients remotely; saving lives, time and money for Australians, and particularly those who currently have to travel to receive healthcare.

http://www.nbn.gov.au/frequently-asked-questions/


I dont know which part of that you think provided a repudiation of my post. apart from the fact that it comes from nothing more than an FAQ on the NBN site, it has zero costing information. analysts have repeatedly warned that the chance of the NBN breaking even is small, since that target is dependent on outrageously optimistic predictions of takeup rates and costs of funds. With current takeup rates bordering on humiliating, the entire premise is ludicrsou. It is almost as ludicrous as predicting that a 10% increase in internet use is going to increase GDP. That 10% increase is SOLELY from private hosueholds. business is already using the internet.

there is a lot about the NBN's finances that are dodgy. within one month of the legislation being passed they were granted an extra 2 years to finishe the job. after their first year that are already well behind schedul and with takeup rates so low as to be barely measurable. And like the vast part of the population, Im super-excited about getting a landline (which this house has had for 60 years) and a 12Mbps internet (which Ive had for 10 years) all for a per household cost of just $12,000 tax payer dollars.
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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
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Re: What will Abbott do???
Reply #77 - Feb 20th, 2012 at 3:01pm
 
Clanky wrote on Feb 20th, 2012 at 1:29pm:
Actually I'm disappointed that my post is met simply by personal insults and none of the substance addressed. Apparently one of the offenders is an ex-moderator here, which is very disturbing.

As you can see I am new, with less than 12 posts, so I cannot PM a moderator (Which, believe me, I would).

Personal insults are not only against the rules of the forum, which I just agreed to, but they are the refuge of Trolls.

I am leaving this forum, and deleting my personal information. I am leaving just because of these personal insults in this thread.

Good Bye.


we dont need another poster whose only contribution is total garbage and imaginary rubbish. there are enough of those already.
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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
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Reply #78 - Feb 20th, 2012 at 3:03pm
 
Yes and you are one of them.   Grin
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Reply #79 - Feb 20th, 2012 at 3:03pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Feb 20th, 2012 at 11:59am:
Clanky wrote on Feb 19th, 2012 at 5:34pm:
You forgot to add Workchoices.
Once the Libs are back in, and at this rate, with Labor infighting and 95% of Australian media owned by regressive right wingers... they will get in.

Number 1 priority will be to implement WorkChoices. This time it will probably be more extreme (as a sort of revenge against the Australian people).

I imagine minimum wage will be lowered, Holiday pay, overtime and Sunday loadings will go. Holidays will be reduced or removed altogether. In America, the normal is 2 weeks a year if you are lucky. Hours work will be increased, whereas overall pay will be lowered.

Tax on the lower income earners will be increased, whereas millionaires will get a tax cut.

This is where Australia is headed. It's a race to the bottom.


and you wonder why we call you an idiot! seriously, read your crap and find a single justification for any of it.


You forgot to add Workchoices.

You havn't noticed the push for the removal of penalty rates and wind back of unfair dismissal recently. i.e back to workchoice type conditions -
Point easily justified
.

He is right.
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Reply #80 - Feb 20th, 2012 at 3:14pm
 
20 February, 2012 | Media Release Any further changes to workplace laws should improve job security, rights and protections for the millions of people in insecure work, not hand more power to employers.   Wink 

In its submission to the review of the Fair Work Act, the ACTU will propose reforms within the framework of the existing legislation to improve the rights to collective bargaining and the safety net for insecure workers.

The ACTU will release its submission today, along with research that shows its proposals are in tune with the majority of Australians and that the campaign by employer groups against workers is dramatically out of touch with public sentiment.   Sad

The survey of more than 2000 people found that 57% believe that any new workplace laws should aim to give employees more reliable work. Just 14% said new laws were needed to give businesses greater flexibility in how they employ people.   Huh

Even among Liberal voters, twice as many were in favour of laws to help workers as supported laws that suited employers (49% to 24%).

“There is no public mood to hand over increased power to employers, but more importantly, there is no credible evidence or rationale in the way the Fair Work Act is operating to justify this either,” said ACTU Secretary Jeff Lawrence.

“Our submission will clearly demonstrate that the contrary to the myths being perpetrated by employers, the Fair Work Act has been irrefutably good for workers and good for the economy.

“The facts show that a record number of collective agreements are being made, industrial disputes are down, the economy is growing at a steady pace, unemployment and inflation are low, and wage growth is solid and sustainable. Profits are close to all-time record highs, while wages’ share of national income is at a 40-year low, so business has nothing to complain about.

“This review is important because it will expose the inaccurate and uninformed statements that are made every day by highly-paid and out-of-touch business leaders such as Westpac CEO Gail Kelly that bear no relation to reality.

“Employer criticism of the Fair Work Act is barely disguised lust for a return to a WorkChoices system. Employers and their fellow travellers in the Liberal Party need to stop living in the past.   Sad

“In the last couple of days, we have seen former Liberal Premier Jeff Kennett articulate the employer-Liberal agenda with a call to abolish penalty rates. This would result in a is a significant reduction in the take-home pay of workers in the hospitality, retail and service sectors. We're talking about people on $17 an hour who rely on penalty rates as a significant part of their income."   Wink

“The future of Australia’s workplace system is in collective bargaining and a co-operative approach; slash-and-burn, bully boy tactics like those of Qantas need to be stopped.

“If any changes are needed to the Fair Work Act, they should start with strengthening the bargaining system, with an activist role for Fair Work Australia where employers only pay lip service to the notion of collective bargaining and never have any intention of reaching agreement.

“The protections and entitlements of the 40% of Australians in insecure jobs as casuals, contractors or labour hire workers must be improved, and workers should have the right to bargain about job security. Secure jobs that pay decent wages and have workplace rights can be built on our economic strengths.”

Mr Lawrence said unions shared the goal of lifting Australia’s rate of productivity growth, but warned that giving more power to employers to fire workers or cut pay and conditions would not lead to better productivity.   Sad

“Productivity improvements come from the high road of greater levels of trust and co-operation between workers and employers, and from investment in skills, technology, infrastructure and innovation,” Mr Lawrence said.

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Reply #81 - Feb 20th, 2012 at 4:11pm
 
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Yes and you are one of them.   Grin


laugable when coming from the self-admitted dole bludger.
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Re: What will Abbott do???
Reply #82 - Feb 20th, 2012 at 4:14pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Feb 20th, 2012 at 3:03pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Feb 20th, 2012 at 11:59am:
Clanky wrote on Feb 19th, 2012 at 5:34pm:
You forgot to add Workchoices.
Once the Libs are back in, and at this rate, with Labor infighting and 95% of Australian media owned by regressive right wingers... they will get in.

Number 1 priority will be to implement WorkChoices. This time it will probably be more extreme (as a sort of revenge against the Australian people).

I imagine minimum wage will be lowered, Holiday pay, overtime and Sunday loadings will go. Holidays will be reduced or removed altogether. In America, the normal is 2 weeks a year if you are lucky. Hours work will be increased, whereas overall pay will be lowered.

Tax on the lower income earners will be increased, whereas millionaires will get a tax cut.

This is where Australia is headed. It's a race to the bottom.


and you wonder why we call you an idiot! seriously, read your crap and find a single justification for any of it.


You forgot to add Workchoices.

You havn't noticed the push for the removal of penalty rates and wind back of unfair dismissal recently. i.e back to workchoice type conditions -
Point easily justified
.

He is right.


your ability to blame a disconnected individual for the comments of anothre is legendary, along with your truly dreadful analysis.

the best part is listening to you complaining about the supposed reintroduction of WorkChoices after it has been permanently canned, while supporting the Great Red-headed Liar over the carbon tax. Teh word hypocrisy comes to mind...
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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
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Reply #83 - Feb 20th, 2012 at 4:17pm
 
I am not a self admitted dole bludger.  Then again maybe you could be one.   Wink
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Reply #84 - Feb 20th, 2012 at 4:20pm
 
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I am not a self admitted dole bludger.  Then again maybe you could be one.   Wink 


you are actually. you admitted that you were 'still condidering if you would ever get a job'.

you are a dole bludger.
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Reply #85 - Feb 20th, 2012 at 4:28pm
 
Definition of a dole bludger - A person that is unemployed.  (ON THE DOLE).  That (IS NOT) trying to find work.  So do try get your facts right.  I know that's hard for you.   Grin
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Reply #86 - Feb 20th, 2012 at 4:29pm
 
Clanky wrote on Feb 20th, 2012 at 1:29pm:
Actually I'm disappointed that my post is met simply by personal insults and none of the substance addressed. Apparently one of the offenders is an ex-moderator here, which is very disturbing.

As you can see I am new, with less than 12 posts, so I cannot PM a moderator (Which, believe me, I would).

Personal insults are not only against the rules of the forum, which I just agreed to, but they are the refuge of Trolls.

I am leaving this forum, and deleting my personal information. I am leaving just because of these personal insults in this thread.

Good Bye.


Clanky,
This is a Political Board and as such there is usually going to be a fair amount of argy bargy & name calling.

That said, I would suggest the best way to handle such people, is to give back, as good as you get, within reason!

If the usual argy bargy & name calling, goes beyond being reasonable then PM a Moderator (for member boards), a Global Moderator or an Administrator, who will address the issue, if it does in fact go beyong normal, reasoable limits!

As for Longweakend, I wouldn't get too concerned about him, his words reflect who he is -
Idiot, Moron etc!!!

So, if you are still viewing, I would like to see you back on these boards & contributing!

Btw, as administrators, we can not view all posts, so once you reach your 12 posts, you can use the PM
to make contact.
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Reply #87 - Feb 20th, 2012 at 4:31pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Feb 20th, 2012 at 4:14pm:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 20th, 2012 at 3:03pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Feb 20th, 2012 at 11:59am:
Clanky wrote on Feb 19th, 2012 at 5:34pm:
You forgot to add Workchoices.
Once the Libs are back in, and at this rate, with Labor infighting and 95% of Australian media owned by regressive right wingers... they will get in.

Number 1 priority will be to implement WorkChoices. This time it will probably be more extreme (as a sort of revenge against the Australian people).

I imagine minimum wage will be lowered, Holiday pay, overtime and Sunday loadings will go. Holidays will be reduced or removed altogether. In America, the normal is 2 weeks a year if you are lucky. Hours work will be increased, whereas overall pay will be lowered.

Tax on the lower income earners will be increased, whereas millionaires will get a tax cut.

This is where Australia is headed. It's a race to the bottom.


and you wonder why we call you an idiot! seriously, read your crap and find a single justification for any of it.


You forgot to add Workchoices.

You havn't noticed the push for the removal of penalty rates and wind back of unfair dismissal recently. i.e back to workchoice type conditions -
Point easily justified
.

He is right.


your ability to blame a disconnected individual for the comments of anothre is legendary, along with your truly dreadful analysis.

the best part is listening to you complaining about the supposed reintroduction of WorkChoices after it has been permanently canned, while supporting the Great Red-headed Liar over the carbon tax. Teh word hypocrisy comes to mind...


LW,
It seems you still can't spell and still don't make much sense!

All of which means, you haven't changed, have you!
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Reply #88 - Feb 20th, 2012 at 4:37pm
 
You know the thing is it is quit laughable, it really is.  You see, I don't take a lot of notice as to what some of these people write.  In fact if anything, it makes me even more wanting to hang around.  Fools like long weekend will never change, nor should one expect them to.   Grin
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Reply #89 - Feb 20th, 2012 at 4:39pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Feb 20th, 2012 at 4:31pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Feb 20th, 2012 at 4:14pm:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 20th, 2012 at 3:03pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Feb 20th, 2012 at 11:59am:
Clanky wrote on Feb 19th, 2012 at 5:34pm:
You forgot to add Workchoices.
Once the Libs are back in, and at this rate, with Labor infighting and 95% of Australian media owned by regressive right wingers... they will get in.

Number 1 priority will be to implement WorkChoices. This time it will probably be more extreme (as a sort of revenge against the Australian people).

I imagine minimum wage will be lowered, Holiday pay, overtime and Sunday loadings will go. Holidays will be reduced or removed altogether. In America, the normal is 2 weeks a year if you are lucky. Hours work will be increased, whereas overall pay will be lowered.

Tax on the lower income earners will be increased, whereas millionaires will get a tax cut.

This is where Australia is headed. It's a race to the bottom.


and you wonder why we call you an idiot! seriously, read your crap and find a single justification for any of it.


You forgot to add Workchoices.

You havn't noticed the push for the removal of penalty rates and wind back of unfair dismissal recently. i.e back to workchoice type conditions -
Point easily justified
.

He is right.


your ability to blame a disconnected individual for the comments of anothre is legendary, along with your truly dreadful analysis.

the best part is listening to you complaining about the supposed reintroduction of WorkChoices after it has been permanently canned, while supporting the Great Red-headed Liar over the carbon tax. Teh word hypocrisy comes to mind...


LW,
It seems you still can't spell and still don't make much sense!

All of which means, you haven't changed, have you!


Im still waiting for you to become an actual MODERATOR instead of a lame 'move of posts'. while you are being your usual ineffective self, corpulent_whiney is off abusing and bagging our defence forces and you do... nothing. very good work!

and im still waiting for your tortured response on austerity and debt reductio wher you seem to want the impossible: debt reduction and spending increases.
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