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Re: German experience: clean energy requires subsidies
Reply #15 - Feb 20^th, 2012 at 10:23am

freediver wrote on Feb 19^th, 2012 at 8:15pm:

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If that's true then why did Obama say that the USA will not follow that system?

Did you read what I said about photo opportunities?

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You can only improve energy efficiency so much which offers no insurance against an ever rising population base.

I am not suggesting we limit ourselves to improvements in energy efficiency. A price on carbon targets all available options. It would only favour efficiency to the extent that it is cheaper.

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What you are suggesting is just a temporary measure not a solution

Can you explain why a mechanism that can achieve anywhere between a 0% and 100% reduction over any time frame for a lower cost can only be temporary?

You are the only person suggesting we limit ourself to one particular solution.

Burning fossil fuels in favour of renewable energy is false economy simply because being a finite resource will cost more over time as the source of it becomes depleted. Sooner or later there will no longer be anything to set fire too and you will have to rely on renewable energy no matter what cost !!

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53435 At my desk.	Re: German experience: clean energy requires subsidies Reply #16 - Feb 20^th, 2012 at 11:09am I invite you to respond to what I actually posted TNL.
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Re: German experience: clean energy requires subsidies
Reply #17 - Feb 20^th, 2012 at 1:22pm

freediver wrote on Feb 19^th, 2012 at 8:15pm:

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If that's true then why did Obama say that the USA will not follow that system?

Did you read what I said about photo opportunities?

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Unfortunately it is hard for a politician to have their photo taken beside a reduction in electricity consumption.

What is your point freediver?
Please try not to be so cryptic.

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Reply #18 - Feb 20^th, 2012 at 3:59pm

freediver wrote on Feb 20^th, 2012 at 11:09am:

I invite you to respond to what I actually posted TNL.

I never wrote that about obama so why are you confusing the debate ??]

And like I said where have you ever seen a photo opp in Australia next to the second biggest solar farm in the world ??

You don't see it because aussies are only good at manufacturing excuses not to manufacture anything. Just look at your own replies Wink

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Reply #19 - Feb 20^th, 2012 at 4:51pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 20^th, 2012 at 3:59pm:

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You don't see it because aussies are only good at manufacturing excuses not to manufacture anything. Just look at your own replies Wink

Australians have nothing on your ability squirm out a pathetic excuse on why you don't own an battery EV. Grin

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Reply #20 - Feb 20^th, 2012 at 4:56pm

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 20^th, 2012 at 4:51pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 20^th, 2012 at 3:59pm:

Australians have nothing on your ability squirm out a pathetic excuse on why you don't own an battery EV. Grin

Listen you techically ignorant piece of rubbish.

maybe I should have the worlds biggest solar farm in my back yard as well otherwise I shouldn't talk about that either.

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Reply #21 - Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 8:54pm

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What is your point freediver?
Please try not to be so cryptic.

My point is that using pricing mechanisms to encourage a reducing in GHG emissions is a far superior option from an economic and environmental eprspective, just not a political one. It is not a vote winner like planting trees or handouts for rooftop solar.

Though I am working hard to change that.

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