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Re: Still banging on about the Malaysian Solution
Reply #15 - Feb 19^th, 2012 at 2:37pm

FRED. wrote on Feb 19^th, 2012 at 11:58am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 19^th, 2012 at 8:48am:

blackadder wrote on Feb 18^th, 2012 at 5:08pm:

The current Liberal policy is to turn back 100% of the boats

Jesus if you had half a brain you would still be plankton.

THAT IS NOT THE POLICY.

You are probably right - Tony Abbott was probably lying when he committed to that position.

MORON GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT OR F/K OFF

OK when Tony said he was changing the policy and was going to turn back all the boats which part of all the boats did he not mean?

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Re: Still banging on about the Malaysian Solution
Reply #16 - Feb 19^th, 2012 at 2:47pm

Your not trying to claim that it isn't what he said are you?

I'll turn back every boat, says Tony Abbott

by: By Matt Johnston
From: Herald Sun
January 21, 2012 12:57PM

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Abbott says he will turn every boat back if elected PM
"This is a test of wills and Australia has lost"
Greens slam idea as "illegal and immoral"

http://www.news.com.au/national/ill-turn-back-every-boat-says-tony-abbott/story-...

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TONY Abbott's plan to send back all asylum-seeker boats has drawn fire from Indonesia's police as well as the UN High Commissioner for Refugees as dangerous and in breach of international law.

The expressions of alarm came a day after The Age reported former Australian Defence Force chief retired admiral Chris Barrie saying it would be close to impossible as well as expensive to send all the boats back.

Yesterday, Indonesia's police questioned whether Mr Abbott's policy of using the navy to turn back asylum seeker boats contravenes international law, amid widespread disquiet in the country about the opposition's hardline position.

http://www.theage.com.au/national/abbotts-send-boats-back-policy-under-attack-at...

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Re: Still banging on about the Malaysian Solution
Reply #17 - Feb 19^th, 2012 at 2:49pm

If Labor want the more expensive option of offshore processing then I do not understand why they don't just accept Tony Abbott's offer of Nauru and TPV's.....However turning the boats around will not work and put further lives at risk.....Neither side is covering themselves in glory over this issue to decide who is better at persecuting asylum seekers.....The solution is to take asylum seekers from detention centres in Indonesia and continue working to find and prosecute the people smugglers!!!

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Re: Still banging on about the Malaysian Solution
Reply #18 - Feb 19^th, 2012 at 2:56pm

Dnarever wrote on Feb 19^th, 2012 at 2:47pm:

Your not trying to claim that it isn't what he said are you?

I'll turn back every boat, says Tony Abbott

by: By Matt Johnston
From: Herald Sun
January 21, 2012 12:57PM

Quote:

Abbott says he will turn every boat back if elected PM
"This is a test of wills and Australia has lost"
Greens slam idea as "illegal and immoral"

http://www.news.com.au/national/ill-turn-back-every-boat-says-tony-abbott/story-...

Quote:

TONY Abbott's plan to send back all asylum-seeker boats has drawn fire from Indonesia's police as well as the UN High Commissioner for Refugees as dangerous and in breach of international law.

The expressions of alarm came a day after The Age reported former Australian Defence Force chief retired admiral Chris Barrie saying it would be close to impossible as well as expensive to send all the boats back.

Yesterday, Indonesia's police questioned whether Mr Abbott's policy of using the navy to turn back asylum seeker boats contravenes international law, amid widespread disquiet in the country about the opposition's hardline position.

http://www.theage.com.au/national/abbotts-send-boats-back-policy-under-attack-at...

What this shows DNA is that the Liberal Faithful are so blind they cannot accept Tony Abbott is actually a fool masquerading as an idiot.....Turning the boats around is another populist position from the Mad Monk who has no idea what he will do if he ever slithers into office.....I guess the partisan still cannot believe Tony Abbott is that stupid to turn the boats around......He is!!!

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progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: Still banging on about the Malaysian Solution Reply #19 - Feb 19^th, 2012 at 3:17pm Where it is safe to do so
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Gist Gold Member Offline I am not a sock, I am a human being! Posts: 5476	Re: Still banging on about the Malaysian Solution Reply #20 - Feb 19^th, 2012 at 5:51pm progressiveslol wrote on Feb 19^th, 2012 at 3:17pm: Where it is safe to do so Kindly outline the conditions under which it is safe to do so lolly. If you don't know then maybe you can ring a friend. Say... Phoney Tony?
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Re: Still banging on about the Malaysian Solution
Reply #21 - Feb 19^th, 2012 at 6:21pm

Gist wrote on Feb 19^th, 2012 at 5:51pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 19^th, 2012 at 3:17pm:

Where it is safe to do so

Kindly outline the conditions under which it is safe to do so lolly. If you don't know then maybe you can ring a friend. Say... Phoney Tony?

Why should I or Abbott define it. At election maybe, but only if he feels like it.

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Re: Still banging on about the Malaysian Solution
Reply #22 - Feb 19^th, 2012 at 9:26pm

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 19^th, 2012 at 3:17pm:

Where it is safe to do so

This was the previous position - around the 20th of Jan 2012 Mr Abbott was clearly stating the new position and it was to

turn around all the boats

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It does seem that this was a disaster for him - critisised by all - pointed out to be in breach of international Law and a danger to Australian lives.

By the 22nd the When it is safe to do so was again being stated.

He did get his hard line message out there though even if it was unrealistic he got the lowest common denominator vote onboard.

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Re: Still banging on about the Malaysian Solution
Reply #23 - Feb 20^th, 2012 at 4:48am

Dnarever wrote on Feb 19^th, 2012 at 9:26pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 19^th, 2012 at 3:17pm:

Where it is safe to do so

This was the previous position - around the 20th of Jan 2012 Mr Abbott was clearly stating the new position and it was to

turn around all the boats

.

It does seem that this was a disaster for him - critisised by all - pointed out to be in breach of international Law and a danger to Australian lives.

By the 22nd the When it is safe to do so was again being stated.

He did get his hard line message out there though even if it was unrealistic he got the lowest common denominator vote onboard.

Use some common sense, eh?!?! When it is safe to do so would include circumstances such as where sabotage has not been attempted, where the vessel is in good condition, where the weather would make a return journey safe and not dangerous. Just a few examples of where it would be safe to do so.

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Re: Still banging on about the Malaysian Solution
Reply #24 - Feb 20^th, 2012 at 7:41am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20^th, 2012 at 4:48am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 19^th, 2012 at 9:26pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 19^th, 2012 at 3:17pm:

Where it is safe to do so

This was the previous position - around the 20th of Jan 2012 Mr Abbott was clearly stating the new position and it was to

turn around all the boats

.

It does seem that this was a disaster for him - critisised by all - pointed out to be in breach of international Law and a danger to Australian lives.

By the 22nd the When it is safe to do so was again being stated.

He did get his hard line message out there though even if it was unrealistic he got the lowest common denominator vote onboard.

Use some common sense, eh?!?! When it is safe to do so would include circumstances such as where sabotage has not been attempted, where the vessel is in good condition, where the weather would make a return journey safe and not dangerous. Just a few examples of where it would be safe to do so.

You are absolutly correct but it is not what Mr Abbott was saying when he made his announcment. He was talking as tough and uncaring as he could.

The Libs have gone back to the previous position of when it is safe to do so.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 42442 Gender:	Re: Still banging on about the Malaysian Solution Reply #25 - Feb 20^th, 2012 at 10:32am What has happenned to the malaysian solution ??
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 62391 Here Gender:	Re: Still banging on about the Malaysian Solution Reply #26 - Feb 20^th, 2012 at 10:58am Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 20^th, 2012 at 10:32am: What has happenned to the malaysian solution ?? Just Like Nauru dead and buried I hope.
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Re: Still banging on about the Malaysian Solution
Reply #27 - Feb 20^th, 2012 at 11:06am

Dnarever wrote on Feb 18^th, 2012 at 2:06pm:

The last thing in the world Tony Abbott wants is to stop the boats.

Do you dream that the public will flock to Labor should the boats stop and Abbott is relying on this to get into office? Cheesy

Fear not, Labors record of incompetence, waste and mismanagement is longer than your arm, and Juliar fixing a problem of Labors own making won't reverse their fortunes I'm afraid.

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Re: Still banging on about the Malaysian Solution
Reply #28 - Feb 20^th, 2012 at 11:11am

Gist wrote on Feb 19^th, 2012 at 5:51pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 19^th, 2012 at 3:17pm:

Where it is safe to do so

Kindly outline the conditions under which it is safe to do so lolly. If you don't know then maybe you can ring a friend. Say... Phoney Tony?

Considering the chumps got themselves into the middle of the ocean, then they can find their way back again the same way eh if they turn around and head north.
And that's as safe as it gets.

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Re: Still banging on about the Malaysian Solution
Reply #29 - Feb 20^th, 2012 at 11:32am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20^th, 2012 at 4:48am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 19^th, 2012 at 9:26pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 19^th, 2012 at 3:17pm:

Where it is safe to do so

This was the previous position - around the 20th of Jan 2012 Mr Abbott was clearly stating the new position and it was to

turn around all the boats

.

It does seem that this was a disaster for him - critisised by all - pointed out to be in breach of international Law and a danger to Australian lives.

By the 22nd the When it is safe to do so was again being stated.

He did get his hard line message out there though even if it was unrealistic he got the lowest common denominator vote onboard.

Use some common sense, eh?!?! When it is safe to do so would include circumstances such as where sabotage has not been attempted, where the vessel is in good condition, where the weather would make a return journey safe and not dangerous. Just a few examples of where it would be safe to do so.

How can it ever be safe when weather conditions can change in a matter of hours.....It is also Abbott's policy NOT to send asylum seekers to countries who have not signed the refugee convention which is why he will not support the Malaysian solution.....Indonesia has NOT signed the refugee convention so has that fact escaped your tiny mind.....Abbott is a populist fool who cares nothing about substance and hopes people will ignore his contradictions and hypocrisy so he can become PM at any cost....All Abbott is proposing is a future where he will tear everything apart and replace it with nothing accept the failure of the past.....The world has changed since we can persecute minorities and buy votes with tax cuts that erode the integrity of the budget....Australia cannot afford Tony Abbott!!!

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