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Should it be legal to kill pet cats on the loose
Feb 17th, 2012 at 1:50pm
 
Here is my reasoning, especially in a nation like Australia.
It is ok for cat owners to let their cats go out and kill native animals so why is it wrong to kill a cat to prevent them killing native animals?

Isn’t it the same logic? [/quote]

Nope.

Cat owners don't let their cats go out to kill native animals.

Most cat owners live in the cities and in the outer suburbs where endangered native animals do not live.

The domestic moggie serves a good purpose in culling imported birds that take up nesting space and deplete the food resources of the native birds.

There's WAY too much hysteria about feral cats.

And at the very last ~ how many Australians have seen or even thought about the small native rodents that feral cats survive upon?

98% of all species that ever lived on Earth have become extinct.



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Reply #1 - Feb 17th, 2012 at 1:54pm
 
bobbythefap1 wrote on Feb 17th, 2012 at 1:50pm:
Here is my reasoning, especially in a nation like Australia.
It is ok for cat owners to let their cats go out and kill native animals so why is it wrong to kill a cat to prevent them killing native animals?

Isn’t it the same logic?

Its not like I want this to be the case tho, I would much rather cat owners take responsibility and lock up their cats so to not damage their environment and threaten the extinction of native animals.

There is no reason for cats to be wandering the streets, the argument that ‘they are wild and use to wander around before humans’ is bunk because so did dogs but we can’t let them out can we?

But if cat owners will not take responsibility why can I not use the same logic they do and stop their cat from killing other animals.



Ahh yes, another cat hater dressing his hatred up as concern for native wildlife.  Where is your concern when clearing blocks for human habitation?  By your rreasoning we shopuld be able to kill developers, or anyone who lives in rural areas.  Afetr all, they do more damage to native wildlife than a million cats could.
Pets are seen as part of the family.  Kill a member of ones family, and see the response you get.
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Reply #2 - Feb 17th, 2012 at 1:59pm
 
... wrote on Feb 17th, 2012 at 1:54pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Feb 17th, 2012 at 1:50pm:
Here is my reasoning, especially in a nation like Australia.
It is ok for cat owners to let their cats go out and kill native animals so why is it wrong to kill a cat to prevent them killing native animals?

Isn’t it the same logic?

Its not like I want this to be the case tho, I would much rather cat owners take responsibility and lock up their cats so to not damage their environment and threaten the extinction of native animals.

There is no reason for cats to be wandering the streets, the argument that ‘they are wild and use to wander around before humans’ is bunk because so did dogs but we can’t let them out can we?

But if cat owners will not take responsibility why can I not use the same logic they do and stop their cat from killing other animals.



Ahh yes, another cat hater dressing his hatred up as concern for native wildlife.  Where is your concern when clearing blocks for human habitation?  By your rreasoning we shopuld be able to kill developers, or anyone who lives in rural areas.  Afetr all, they do more damage to native wildlife than a million cats could.
Pets are seen as part of the family.  Kill a member of ones family, and see the response you get.

I don’t hate cats; I hate pet owners who don’t take responsibility and proper care for their animals. Part of caring for any other animal on the planet is making sure it can’t hurt itself or other animals; why should cats be any different?
I have huge concern for clearing nature for human habituation if it’s not sustainable but that’s not the issue here.
There are ways that developers can do their work sustainably, just like a cat owner can lock up their cat. So a developer can be fined/jailed and cats can be culled.
So if I keep a pet lion that runs around killing people it’s ok cause its part of the family?
If it was part of the family you would keep it safe and make sure it’s not a danger to anything.
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Reply #3 - Feb 17th, 2012 at 2:11pm
 
Where do you draw the line?

If killing birds is no good, and worthy of the death penalty for a cat,  What if they kill a cockroach?  Is that OK?

10 years without parole.

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Reply #4 - Feb 17th, 2012 at 2:15pm
 
... wrote on Feb 17th, 2012 at 2:11pm:
Where do you draw the line?

If killing birds is no good, and worthy of the death penalty for a cat,  What if they kill a cockroach?  Is that OK?

Well if you get rid of the cockroach you could collapse the whole food chain.
Why shouldnt any native animal have right over introduced species in their homeland?
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Reply #5 - Feb 17th, 2012 at 2:20pm
 
I assume we are talking about feral cats living in the wild, rather than pets. Isn't it already permissible to kill feral cats (in NSW at least) under the Game and Feral Animal Control Act 2002?
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Reply #6 - Feb 17th, 2012 at 2:21pm
 
bobbythefap1 wrote on Feb 17th, 2012 at 2:15pm:
... wrote on Feb 17th, 2012 at 2:11pm:
Where do you draw the line?

If killing birds is no good, and worthy of the death penalty for a cat,  What if they kill a cockroach?  Is that OK?

Well if you get rid of the cockroach you could collapse the whole food chain.
Why shouldnt any native animal have right over introduced species in their homeland?



Nature doesn't 'play nice' in accordance with left-wing ideology.
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Reply #7 - Feb 17th, 2012 at 2:23pm
 
Frances wrote on Feb 17th, 2012 at 2:20pm:
I assume we are talking about feral cats living in the wild, rather than pets. Isn't it already permissible to kill feral cats (in NSW at least) under the Game and Feral Animal Control Act 2002?
Them and actual pet cats kept in suburban propeties
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Reply #8 - Feb 17th, 2012 at 2:24pm
 
... wrote on Feb 17th, 2012 at 2:21pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Feb 17th, 2012 at 2:15pm:
... wrote on Feb 17th, 2012 at 2:11pm:
Where do you draw the line?

If killing birds is no good, and worthy of the death penalty for a cat,  What if they kill a cockroach?  Is that OK?

Well if you get rid of the cockroach you could collapse the whole food chain.
Why shouldnt any native animal have right over introduced species in their homeland?



Nature doesn't 'play nice' in accordance with left-wing ideology. 

So is it ok for me to let my dog roam around and kill cats?
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Reply #9 - Feb 17th, 2012 at 2:36pm
 
bobbythefap1 wrote on Feb 17th, 2012 at 2:24pm:
... wrote on Feb 17th, 2012 at 2:21pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Feb 17th, 2012 at 2:15pm:
... wrote on Feb 17th, 2012 at 2:11pm:
Where do you draw the line?

If killing birds is no good, and worthy of the death penalty for a cat,  What if they kill a cockroach?  Is that OK?

Well if you get rid of the cockroach you could collapse the whole food chain.
Why shouldnt any native animal have right over introduced species in their homeland?



Nature doesn't 'play nice' in accordance with left-wing ideology. 

So is it ok for me to let my dog roam around and kill cats?



If they're feral, sure. why not.
If they're a member of someones family, I wouldn't advise it. 
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Reply #10 - Feb 17th, 2012 at 3:10pm
 

You should be given $10 for every pair of cats or dogs ears you bring in.
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Reply #11 - Feb 17th, 2012 at 3:24pm
 
... wrote on Feb 17th, 2012 at 2:21pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Feb 17th, 2012 at 2:15pm:
... wrote on Feb 17th, 2012 at 2:11pm:
Where do you draw the line?

If killing birds is no good, and worthy of the death penalty for a cat,  What if they kill a cockroach?  Is that OK?

Well if you get rid of the cockroach you could collapse the whole food chain.
Why shouldnt any native animal have right over introduced species in their homeland?



Nature doesn't 'play nice' in accordance with left-wing ideology.







No, it doesn't.




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The Lucifer Principle - - by Howard BLOOM

MOTHER NATURE, THE BLOODY BI TCH

In 1580 Michel de Montaigne, inspired by the discovery of New World tribes untouched by Europe's latest complexities, initiated the idea of the "noble savage". Nearly two hundred years later, Jean-Jacques Rousseau popularised the concept when he published four works proclaiming that man is born an innocent wonder, filled with love and generosity, but that a Luciferian force ensnares him: modern civilisation. Rousseau claimed that without civilisation, humans would never Know hatred, prejudice, or cruelty.

Today, the Rousseauesque doctrine seems stronger than ever. Twentieth-century writers and scientists like Ashley Montagu, Claude Levi-Strauss (who hailed Rousseau as the "father of anthropology"), Erich Jantsch, David Barash, Richard Leakey, and Susan Sontag have reworked the notion to condemn current industrial civilisation. They have been joined by numerous feminist, environmentalist, and minority rights extremists. Even such August scientific bodies as the American Anthropological Association, the American Psychological Association, and the Peace and War Section of the American Sociological Association have joined the cause, absolving "natural man" of malevolence by endorsing "The Seville Statement," an international manifesto which declares that "violence is neither in our evolutionary legacy nor in our genes."

As a result, we are told almost daily that modern Western culture with its consumerism, its capitalism, its violent television shows, its blood-soaked films, and its nature-mangling technologies "programs" violence into the wide-eyed human mind. Our society is supposedly an incubator for everything that appals us. However, culture alone is not responsible for violence, cruelty, murder and war. Despite the Seville Statement's contentions, our biological legacy weaves evil into the substrate of even the most "unspoiled" society. What's more, organised battle is not restricted to humans. Ants make war and either massacre or enslave a rival swarm. Cichlid fish gang up and attack outsiders." Myxobacteria form "wolf packs" that corner and dismember prey. Groups of lizards pick on a formerly regal member of the clan who has become disfigured by the loss of his tail. Female bees chase an overage Queen through the corridors of the hive and lunge, biting over and over until she is dead. And even rival "super coalitions" of a half dozen male dolphins fight like street gangs, often inflicting serious injuries. Ants do not watch television. Fish seldom go to the movies. Myxobacteria, lizards, dolphins, and bees have not been "programmed" by Western culture.

.....By the early seventies, Jane Goodall had lived fourteen years among the wild chimpanzees of Tanzania's Gombe Reserve. She loved the chimps for their gentle ways, so different from the violence back home among humans. Yes, there were simian muggings, beatings, and rage, but the ultimate horror war was absent. Goodall published a landmark book on chimpanzee behaviour "In the Shadow of Man" a work that to some proved unequivocally that war was a human creation. After all, the creatures shown by genetic and immunological research to be our nearest cousins in the animal kingdom knew nothing of organised, wholesale violence.

Then, three years after Goodall's book was printed, a series of incidents occurred that horrified her. The tribe of chimps Goodall had been watching became quite large. Food was harder to find. Quarrels broke out. To relieve the pressure, the unit finally split into two separate tribes. One band stayed in the old home territory. The other left to carve out a new life in the forest to the south.

At first, the two groups lived in relative peace. Then the males from the larger band began to make trips south to the patch of land occupied by the splinter unit. The marauders' purpose was simple: to harass and ultimately kill the separatists. They beat their former friends mercilessly, breaking bones, opening massive wounds, and leaving the resultant cripples to die a slow and lingering death. When the raids were over, five males and one elderly female had been murdered. The separatist group had been destroyed; and its sexually active females and part of its territory had been annexed by the males of the band from the home turf. Goodall had discovered war among the chimpanzees, a discovery she had hoped she would never make.






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Reply #12 - Feb 20th, 2012 at 1:49pm
 
Feral cats - of course. Pet cats - of course not. If you have a problem, see your council. They will usually catch it if it's in your property.
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Reply #13 - Feb 28th, 2012 at 2:03am
 
Once I read a book where the author said that the whole world will be destroyed because humans and cats will be the only survivors on earth because they will eat all other animals on the planet. I think this is an interesting theory, but not realistic. In the end I'm definitely against killing cats because of reasons like this.
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Reply #14 - Feb 28th, 2012 at 8:18pm
 
Someone harm my cat that might have strayed out of my property and I find out who they are?

That's the point where I pay a street kid to get into both them and their family's lives and generally f-ck it all up for them.
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