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Reply #60 - May 31st, 2013 at 7:46pm
 
Watch that they don't kill you.

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Reply #61 - May 31st, 2013 at 7:48pm
 
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Cats are not 'great predators of marsupials', or birds. That's not to say they never kill them, but rodents are their niche market.


What about Lizards? There were countless bird and marsupial species in Australia and other new world countries that are no extinct because of cats.

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Note, the feral animals that compete with native animals for the same foods are the threat.


Nothing even comes close to cats.

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Cats have lived in Australia almost as long as dingoes.


Crap.

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So why has the cat got such a reputation in Australia? Classic scapegoating!


No. It's because of informed scientific opinion.
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Reply #62 - May 31st, 2013 at 8:05pm
 
Looks like you swallowed the Dept. of Land Management book Freediver. Apart from that got any facts to back their assertions?
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Reply #63 - May 31st, 2013 at 8:10pm
 
It is a globally recognised problem.
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Reply #64 - May 31st, 2013 at 8:27pm
 
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What about Lizards? There were countless bird and marsupial species in Australia and other new world countries that are no extinct because of cats.


Here's how it works. Cat moves into the 'hood'. There's ten target prey, cat kills three, lifes good, has babies. Prey gets hard to find. The simple minded and slow have been caught. If there's three prey left the cat can't find them. Cat dies before the last of the target species.

That's the way it works logically and in practice  in every predator prey situation anywhere that doesn't involve man as predator. Only men can send the target animal into extinction, usually by habitat destruction.

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Reply #65 - May 31st, 2013 at 8:31pm
 
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Endangered animal are they?
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Reply #66 - Jun 1st, 2013 at 9:04am
 
Grey wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 8:27pm:
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What about Lizards? There were countless bird and marsupial species in Australia and other new world countries that are no extinct because of cats.


Here's how it works. Cat moves into the 'hood'. There's ten target prey, cat kills three, lifes good, has babies. Prey gets hard to find. The simple minded and slow have been caught. If there's three prey left the cat can't find them. Cat dies before the last of the target species.

That's the way it works logically and in practice  in every predator prey situation anywhere that doesn't involve man as predator. Only men can send the target animal into extinction, usually by habitat destruction.



No grey, this is how it works. Our native animals are not adapted to cats. The cat eats a few, gets full, but then keeps killing for fun. It kills the last one in existence. The animal is now extinct. Then the hippies come in and make excuses for it. Most people put reality before hippy logic.

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Endangered animal are they?


You have no clue do you? Many are already extinct.
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Reply #67 - Jun 1st, 2013 at 9:10am
 
Freediver,
you can't hurt the pussy -
look at the love in it's eyes.

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Reply #68 - Jun 1st, 2013 at 12:53pm
 
Grey wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 3:10am:
...cont. Apart from which if you burn in spring, you burn the baby animals, in nests and holes.

The city where I live, Busselton on the coast of the South West forest, Possums are really a pest. The Western ringtail possum is an endangered animal in its natural habitat. Cats get the blame, yet the city is full of possums and cats. There IS a feral menace in Australia, and it's not the cat, it's not even the fox. To an extent the introduced domestic animals sheep and cows are a problem but the No1 is us. Stop blaming cats they do far more good than harm.


Well said, Mr Grey.

Developers destroy native habitats way more than feral cats. I've seen docos in which a heavy chain is attached at both ends to bulldozers  and then the bulldozers move forward through the bush in parallel with one another, flattening trees, bushes, old stumps and anything else in their path. 

Whole valleys and hillsides are decimated of vegetation to make way for new housing estates ... housing estates that are needed for an ever-increasing influx of migrants and refugees.

Who are those who bitch the loudest about feral cats? The Greens.

Who are those at the forefront of lobbying the hardest for an increase in migrant and refugees intake? The Greens.

Can't have it both ways, guys.

David Attenborough ...

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One of the world's leading naturalists, Sir David Attenborough, has cautioned Australia against pursuing further population growth, labelling an unlimited expansion a kind of madness.

Speaking to Fairfax Media ahead of a national tour of Australia in June, Attenborough questioned why the country still debated whether it needed to grow its population.

''Why would you want to do that? I don't understand that,'' he said ''The notion that you could continue to expand and increase and grow in an infinite way on a planet which is finite, is a kind of lunacy".


Ironically, the population expansion policy is wanted by both the business community Rightwing AND the political Left.

One wants it for business reasons, while the other wants it as a means of dislodging the White, Christian, Anglo/Irish predominance from its position at the top of the demographic totem pole.

Whitlam's side-kick Al Grassby said it best:

"I want to get rid of those North Shore White ghettoes".


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Reply #69 - Jun 1st, 2013 at 12:54pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 9:10am:
Freediver,
you can't hurt the pussy -
look at the love in it's eyes.

http://media-social.s-msn.com/images/blogs/00120065-0000-0000-0000-000000000000_...


Fantastic cat, Batman. I've got an orange-striped girl one with a white snout.
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Reply #70 - Jun 1st, 2013 at 12:57pm
 
Grey wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 8:31pm:


Skinks!

Every summer I spend half my time rescuing these from the kitchen floor where my two skink-hunting critters dump them for playing with.

You can add sparrows, mice, and Indian Mynas as pests that our domestic cats help to reduce in number.

My old neighbour remembers when he was allowed to own an air-gun which he used to reduce the imported pest birds in his backyard.
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Reply #71 - Jun 1st, 2013 at 12:57pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 12:54pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 9:10am:
Freediver,
you can't hurt the pussy -
look at the love in it's eyes.

http://media-social.s-msn.com/images/blogs/00120065-0000-0000-0000-000000000000_...


Fantastic cat, Batman. I've got an orange-striped girl one with a white snout.



Yes & when you hear about all this killing that people want to do -
how could they?
Just look at that cat - how could you look into it's eyes & kill it?

I find cats to be almost human.
Glad you have a nice one.
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Reply #72 - Jun 1st, 2013 at 1:03pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 9:04am:
Grey wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 8:27pm:
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What about Lizards? There were countless bird and marsupial species in Australia and other new world countries that are no extinct because of cats.


Here's how it works. Cat moves into the 'hood'. There's ten target prey, cat kills three, lifes good, has babies. Prey gets hard to find. The simple minded and slow have been caught. If there's three prey left the cat can't find them. Cat dies before the last of the target species.

That's the way it works logically and in practice  in every predator prey situation anywhere that doesn't involve man as predator. Only men can send the target animal into extinction, usually by habitat destruction.



No grey, this is how it works. Our native animals are not adapted to cats. The cat eats a few, gets full, but then keeps killing for fun. It kills the last one in existence. The animal is now extinct. Then the hippies come in and make excuses for it. Most people put reality before hippy logic.

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Endangered animal are they?


You have no clue do you? Many are already extinct.



I actually DO have a clue. I have trapped cats in one typical area of forest, regularly, over a three year period. It showed consistent rises and falls of cat population coninciding with school holidays.

The area contained quail. It's hard to think of a more cat vulnerable species than quail but over the three year period their numbers remained constant too. Declining during periods when the cat population had risen, but overall holding their own.

I am not a hippy, I don't come preprogrammed to any issue. To have a theory proved wrong is knowledge gained, to have a theory proved right is knowledge gained. That's the scientists way.

To shrill with certainty the accepted explanation is something else entirely. Animal goes extinct around the time cats were introduced, cats kill animals, therefore cats sent animals to extinction is not science.
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Reply #73 - Jun 1st, 2013 at 1:09pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 12:57pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 12:54pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 9:10am:
Freediver,
you can't hurt the pussy -
look at the love in it's eyes.

http://media-social.s-msn.com/images/blogs/00120065-0000-0000-0000-000000000000_...


Fantastic cat, Batman. I've got an orange-striped girl one with a white snout.



Yes & when you hear about all this killing that people want to do -
how could they?
Just look at that cat - how could you look into it's eyes & kill it?

I find cats to be almost human.
Glad you have a nice one.


I never had a cat during my childhood, and only got one by accident when I bought my house at age 47. (It was living as a stray under the house).

I quickly learnt that cats don't shďt-up the backyard and trail huge wet paws onto the lounge-room carpet. And they don't eat a dozen large tins of Lassie every week. And there's no barking problem. And hip dysplasia problem. And scraping their itchy arse along the ground, problem (swollen anal glands).

And the good thing about cats is they don't annoy me for attention all the time.

And the long-haired ones are good for washing the dishes and polishing your shoes with..

WHOOA!! Who's hacking into my keyboard?! That wasn't me, folks.

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Reply #74 - Jun 1st, 2013 at 1:26pm
 
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To shrill with certainty the accepted explanation is something else entirely. Animal goes extinct around the time cats were introduced, cats kill animals, therefore cats sent animals to extinction is not science.


I never claimed it was based purely on association. That is your strawman. There are cases where cats were seen to kill the last of a species.
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