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Reply #45 - Feb 14th, 2012 at 3:03pm
 
Annie Anthrax wrote on Feb 14th, 2012 at 12:22pm:
juliar wrote on Feb 14th, 2012 at 12:20pm:
The main sexist claim by Miss Gillard supporters is that Miss Gillard is dumb and stupid because it IS NOT A MAN.



What? Now you're not even making sense.

Is that because you have a penis or because you are an idiot?


Playing the sex card yet again.
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Reply #46 - Feb 14th, 2012 at 3:14pm
 
Dolly Disease just can't comprehend that Miss Gillard's supporters are defending their heroine in a blatantly sexist way by saying that Miss Gillard can't help being dumb and incompetent because Miss Gillard is not a man.

It is really quite a clever sexist twist on words conjured up by those few Laborites who are still faithful to the red witch.
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Reply #47 - Feb 14th, 2012 at 3:24pm
 
Did Miss Gillard's aging failing ailing "brain" fail to function and warn of the obvious dangers of crossing no-mans land into 4 Corners enemy territory ? Maybe Miss Gillard is suffering from health problems ? Are Miss Gillard's advisers plotting against the red witch ?
 
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Last night’s Four Corners program on the political assassination of Prime Minister Kevin Rudd has sparked further tension in the government.

The show will add to the prospect of a return to the Lodge for Kevin Rudd. Certainly, we can safely conclude that Kevin Rudd is not the type to die wondering.

For all the noise, Kevin Rudd declined to be involved in the program in any formal way and when approached by Four Corners while out and about, deftly straight batted questions about his ambitions.


That said there was nothing new in the program; the only glimpse of the previously unseen was the allegation that someone in Ms Gillard’s office had prepared a victory speech for her some two weeks before Mr Rudd was toppled as PM.

The obvious question is why did Prime Minister Gillard agree to be interviewed for the Four Corners program?

On radio this morning, she said that she had been approached by the Four Corners reporter, Andrew Fowler to provide her view on the government’s progress since 2007 and hinted at the fact that the interview was something of an ambush.

It beggars belief that any review of Labor in government since 2007 would not at some point touch on the abrupt termination of Kevin Rudd’s prime ministership in June 2010.

Whether your preferred metaphor is own goals or self-inflicted gunshot wounds to the foot, it is further evidence that Julia Gillard’s office is dysfunctional. Any media manager who couldn’t see what was coming should undergo a brain function CT scan and a hearing test in that order.

Of course, the buck stops with Ms Gillard who was happy to sit down and be miked up for the interview.

Beside the disclosure of the speech being prepared in advance – and really one must wonder how a speech containing a string of platitudes could have taken any longer than ten minutes to knock together - there was nothing else that was revelatory in the program.

It did serve as a reminder of the utter political brutality of people like Senators Mark Arbib and David Feeney. I’ve been around long enough to remember when Mr Arbib was a young up and comer, extolled as a genius by his adherents in Sussex Street.

All I can say is that it brings to mind Gore Vidal’s famous quote that Andy Warhol was the only genius he had ever known with an IQ of 60.

Put simply, Mark Arbib’s political career as an operative is littered with poor judgments, bad decisions and dark, behind-the-scene machinations that have invariably inflicted unnecessary pain on the party he is bound to serve. 

The Rudd Government was not spooked by bad polling or stuck in a morass over policy. While many polling companies had the government behind, others had it marginally in front in June of 2010. Certainly, as polling goes in the life of any government, the situation was far from irredeemable.

And while Kevin Rudd’s prime ministership was in a funk over how to proceed on an ETS and a mining tax, the government had plenty of shots left in the locker to fire off.

I have no doubt that Kevin Rudd would have won an election in 2010 and a whole host of people including former Prime Minister John Howard have expressed the same view.

Regardless of what one thinks of Kevin Rudd or Julia Gillard, this was an act of bastardry by the factional powerbrokers who acted as they did because they could. In many ways, Kevin Rudd was the architect of his own demise but the factional bosses had a range of possibilities open to them, including issuing the then PM with a stern warning and telling him he had lost the confidence of the caucus.

Alas, diplomacy and frank discussion are not their strong suits. They prefer the sword and the stiletto.

No doubt the conspirators would claim that they acted in the best interests of the party and a caucus frustrated and angry by Kevin Rudd’s overbearing leadership style.

At some point around 8.00pm on the evening of June 23, 2010, Rudd became aware that he did not have the numbers to survive a spill on the floor. At that time he beseeched Julia Gillard to give him more time to turn the polls around.

He had asked to be given three months. Ms Gillard took the offer back to the factional heavyweights and within an hour was back in Mr Rudd’s office to turn him down.

That was that for Prime Minister Kevin Rudd. And Julia Gillard has been scrambling around seeking legitimacy ever since.

The other stark reminder was that Tony Abbott’s role in the drama was virtually incidental. Too much has been made of the force and effectiveness of his tactics in the six month period since he had become leader in a party room spill in December 2009.

When the movie or tele-series is made as no doubt it will, Tony Abbott’s role will be of the walk on variety; a cameo that one could easily blink and miss. If this sordid tale was ever made in to a piece of theatre produced by the local primary school, Tony Abbott could play a tree; existing in the background but inconsequential to the tragedy going on around him.

Mr Abbott should claim Kevin Rudd as a notch on his belt for that is how politics works but one could say the same of Wayne Swan and the notches on his belt which include Julie Bishop and Malcolm Turnbull.

No, this is a squalid story that could only be played out by Labor; a party struggling to find a sense of itself while being ruled by Machiavellian warlords whose ruthlessness knows no bounds other than the exercise of power for its own sake.

In mid 2009, the Rudd Labor Government held a commanding 15 to 20 point lead over the Opposition. An election at or around that time would have dispatched Labor’s traditional rivals, possibly forever.

The Labor Party now faces the prospect of a landslide defeat in an election just four years later and with it a long stretch in the political wilderness.

Indeed, it may lead to political extinction and if so, we will be able to mark the time that the once great Labor Party stumbled into the darkness and who is responsible for delivering it to oblivion.

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Re: Tut tut Gillard acceptance speech
Reply #48 - Feb 14th, 2012 at 3:32pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14th, 2012 at 11:05am:
tonegunman1 wrote on Feb 14th, 2012 at 10:58am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14th, 2012 at 10:51am:
FRED. wrote on Feb 14th, 2012 at 10:45am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14th, 2012 at 10:29am:
What matters is policy not this leadership rubbish.....Anyone who thinks Tony Abbott will become Prime Minister without first seeing his policies is delusional.....He might just surprise everyone and dump his paid maternity scheme and come up with some worthwhile policies of his own before the next election....That will be the acid test for Tony Abbott not whether Julia Gilllard or Kevin Rudd are leading the ALP.....Policies dictate how people vote more than any other factor....Then he must show the public how he will pay for his promises!!!


After what we have just witnessed  he could be JACK THE RIPPER AND STILL WIN Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Policies will dictate who will be the next Prime Minister and nothing else.....That is not to say Abbott will not provide good policies before the next election.....He will have to dump his paid maternity leave scheme and come up with more than slogans to convince people to vote for him!!!


So on Gillards example he can provide as many policies as he likes and after he is elected walk away from them and he would still be regarded as legitimate by you?  Huh


Are you that stupid.....Of course you are.....Tony Abbott will provide his policy agenda before the next election and might even have them audited correctly next time around.....[highlight]What he does after the election will determine how well he is perceived by the public and affect his popularity and perceived honesty as it has Julia Gillard.[/highlight]....If you think Abbott will just walk into the Prime Ministership without a solid policy agenda you are a deluded fool!!!


What I was saying was that Gillard walked into the Prime Ministership with policy that she had non intention of honouring. So next time around such dishonesty is going to open up any policy she may present to the public, good, bad or indifferent to suspicion that it is not genuine policy...I'm putting it nicely here. But the fact that she has not honoured what she went to an election with shows her to be dishonest pure and simple and I don't give a toss what gender she is, what colour she is, what sexuality she is, these are not an issue, but honesty is, loyalty is.  These are qualities this particular politician does not have. Should she be held to a lower standard because she is a female? Policy may win some elections but it does not win all. Some governments simply become unelectable and this seems to be the case with Gillard.
Let's just see who the fool is after the next election...when Gillard is no longer PM.  Smiley
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Reply #49 - Feb 14th, 2012 at 3:38pm
 
Gist wrote on Feb 14th, 2012 at 11:07am:
tonegunman1 wrote on Feb 14th, 2012 at 10:58am:
So on Gillards example he can provide as many policies as he likes and after he is elected walk away from them and he would still be regarded as legitimate by you?  Huh


Going on past history, we can be sure he can walk away from all policies and still be regarded as legitimate by the likes of you. As long as he labels them "non-core promises" as he's walking of course.


If he goes to an election with policies that he does not honour he will be just as contemptable and unworthy of office as Gillard.
Not that I care what a one-eyed, bleeding, greasy, hemorrhoid such as youself thinks.
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Reply #50 - Feb 14th, 2012 at 3:49pm
 
tonegunman1 wrote on Feb 14th, 2012 at 3:32pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14th, 2012 at 11:05am:
tonegunman1 wrote on Feb 14th, 2012 at 10:58am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14th, 2012 at 10:51am:
FRED. wrote on Feb 14th, 2012 at 10:45am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14th, 2012 at 10:29am:
What matters is policy not this leadership rubbish.....Anyone who thinks Tony Abbott will become Prime Minister without first seeing his policies is delusional.....He might just surprise everyone and dump his paid maternity scheme and come up with some worthwhile policies of his own before the next election....That will be the acid test for Tony Abbott not whether Julia Gilllard or Kevin Rudd are leading the ALP.....Policies dictate how people vote more than any other factor....Then he must show the public how he will pay for his promises!!!


After what we have just witnessed  he could be JACK THE RIPPER AND STILL WIN Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Policies will dictate who will be the next Prime Minister and nothing else.....That is not to say Abbott will not provide good policies before the next election.....He will have to dump his paid maternity leave scheme and come up with more than slogans to convince people to vote for him!!!


So on Gillards example he can provide as many policies as he likes and after he is elected walk away from them and he would still be regarded as legitimate by you?  Huh


Are you that stupid.....Of course you are.....Tony Abbott will provide his policy agenda before the next election and might even have them audited correctly next time around.....[highlight]What he does after the election will determine how well he is perceived by the public and affect his popularity and perceived honesty as it has Julia Gillard.[/highlight]....If you think Abbott will just walk into the Prime Ministership without a solid policy agenda you are a deluded fool!!!


What I was saying was that Gillard walked into the Prime Ministership with policy that she had non intention of honouring. So next time around such dishonesty is going to open up any policy she may present to the public, good, bad or indifferent to suspicion that it is not genuine policy...I'm putting it nicely here. But the fact that she has not honoured what she went to an election with shows her to be dishonest pure and simple and I don't give a toss what gender she is, what colour she is, what sexuality she is, these are not an issue, but honesty is, loyalty is.  These are qualities this particular politician does not have. Should she be held to a lower standard because she is a female? Policy may win some elections but it does not win all. Some governments simply become unelectable and this seems to be the case with Gillard.
Let's just see who the fool is after the next election...when Gillard is no longer PM.  Smiley


I am not saying Tony Abbott will not be PM I am saying it will depend on his policies not who is leader of the ALP......I also think you are wrong about Julia Gillards intention before the last election but the Liberal Faithful have already painted it as a lie so think what ever you like.....If Abbott does not provide sound policies he will be the architect of his own defeat!!!
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Reply #51 - Feb 14th, 2012 at 3:53pm
 
tonegunman1 wrote on Feb 14th, 2012 at 3:38pm:
Gist wrote on Feb 14th, 2012 at 11:07am:
tonegunman1 wrote on Feb 14th, 2012 at 10:58am:
So on Gillards example he can provide as many policies as he likes and after he is elected walk away from them and he would still be regarded as legitimate by you?  Huh


Going on past history, we can be sure he can walk away from all policies and still be regarded as legitimate by the likes of you. As long as he labels them "non-core promises" as he's walking of course.


If he goes to an election with policies that he does not honour he will be just as contemptable and unworthy of office as Gillard.
Not that I care what a one-eyed, bleeding, greasy, hemorrhoid such as youself thinks.


My mistake......I quoted the wrong post!!!

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Reply #52 - Feb 14th, 2012 at 3:57pm
 
tonegunman1 wrote on Feb 14th, 2012 at 3:38pm:
Gist wrote on Feb 14th, 2012 at 11:07am:
tonegunman1 wrote on Feb 14th, 2012 at 10:58am:
So on Gillards example he can provide as many policies as he likes and after he is elected walk away from them and he would still be regarded as legitimate by you?  Huh


Going on past history, we can be sure he can walk away from all policies and still be regarded as legitimate by the likes of you. As long as he labels them "non-core promises" as he's walking of course.


If he goes to an election with policies that he does not honour he will be just as contemptable and unworthy of office as Gillard.
Not that I care what a one-eyed, bleeding, greasy, hemorrhoid such as youself thinks.


Liar.
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Reply #53 - Feb 14th, 2012 at 3:59pm
 
With the Greens in control of a hostile Senate Abbott would have had to impliment a carbon pollution solution that pleased the Greens just as Julia had to.
I suppose that means that Abbott would have had to change policies to keep power just as Julia did or call a DD and end up with even more Greens in the Senate  Grin
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Reply #54 - Feb 14th, 2012 at 4:00pm
 
As a parliamentarian, Matty has committed to telling the absolute truth at all times. No evading, double-speaking, fibbing, pretending or pulling the wool over the public's eyes. If preselected and elected by the Australian people, Matty will be 100% truthful.
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Reply #55 - Feb 14th, 2012 at 4:19pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14th, 2012 at 3:53pm:
tonegunman1 wrote on Feb 14th, 2012 at 3:38pm:
Gist wrote on Feb 14th, 2012 at 11:07am:
tonegunman1 wrote on Feb 14th, 2012 at 10:58am:
So on Gillards example he can provide as many policies as he likes and after he is elected walk away from them and he would still be regarded as legitimate by you?  Huh


Going on past history, we can be sure he can walk away from all policies and still be regarded as legitimate by the likes of you. As long as he labels them "non-core promises" as he's walking of course.


If he goes to an election with policies that he does not honour he will be just as contemptable and unworthy of office as Gillard.
Not that I care what a one-eyed, bleeding, greasy, hemorrhoid such as youself thinks.



How pathetic.....your comments say more about you than me mate....You are not worth my time!!!

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Classic you start off your reply by called me stupid twice and conclude with "deluded fool" so lets not lose track of who started being abusive and from such a poor intellectual elevation at that.
So when I also get "the likes of you" from Gist and respond to such blind ignorance in a manner befitting such a statement you reply thus,
"How pathetic.....your comments say more about you than me mate....You are not worth my time!!!"

What is pathetic is hiding behind multiple identities, did you lose track for a moment? Because that is a cry for help...are you seeing someone?
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Reply #56 - Feb 14th, 2012 at 4:29pm
 
tonegunman1 wrote on Feb 14th, 2012 at 4:19pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14th, 2012 at 3:53pm:
tonegunman1 wrote on Feb 14th, 2012 at 3:38pm:
Gist wrote on Feb 14th, 2012 at 11:07am:
tonegunman1 wrote on Feb 14th, 2012 at 10:58am:
So on Gillards example he can provide as many policies as he likes and after he is elected walk away from them and he would still be regarded as legitimate by you?  Huh


Going on past history, we can be sure he can walk away from all policies and still be regarded as legitimate by the likes of you. As long as he labels them "non-core promises" as he's walking of course.


If he goes to an election with policies that he does not honour he will be just as contemptable and unworthy of office as Gillard.
Not that I care what a one-eyed, bleeding, greasy, hemorrhoid such as youself thinks.



How pathetic.....your comments say more about you than me mate....You are not worth my time!!!

The Argument from Intimidation is a confession of intellectual impotence.
Ayn Rand (1905 - 1982), The Virtue of Selfishness, 1964


Classic you start off your reply by called me stupid twice and conclude with "deluded fool" so lets not lose track of who started being abusive and from such a poor intellectual elevation at that.
So when I also get "the likes of you" from Gist and respond to such blind ignorance in a manner befitting such a statement you reply thus,
"How pathetic.....your comments say more about you than me mate....You are not worth my time!!!"

What is pathetic is hiding behind multiple identities, did you lose track for a moment? Because that is a cry for help...are you seeing someone?


Excuse me? Show me where I abused you.
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Reply #57 - Feb 14th, 2012 at 5:09pm
 
Probably not abuse but more offensive.

A lot of your posts are just plain old offensive.
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Reply #58 - Feb 14th, 2012 at 5:36pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 14th, 2012 at 5:09pm:
Probably not abuse but more offensive.

A lot of your posts are just plain old offensive.


Don't read 'em then. It's up to you y'know.
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Reply #59 - Feb 14th, 2012 at 5:45pm
 
adelcrow wrote on Feb 14th, 2012 at 3:59pm:
With the Greens in control of a hostile Senate Abbott would have had to impliment a carbon pollution solution that pleased the Greens just as Julia had to.
I suppose that means that Abbott would have had to change policies to keep power just as Julia did or call a DD and end up with even more Greens in the Senate  Grin



Its called "Get the F#(K out of my way or I'll call a double dissolution on you!" policy

I dare Bob Brown to vote against it - MAKE MY DAY!
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