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Re: Question for global warmin believers?
Reply #15 - Feb 14th, 2012 at 10:45am
 
progressiveslol wrote on Feb 13th, 2012 at 8:15pm:
Wow your pseudo science gets even better. Not only is temperature, climate to you, but natural ocean currents is now global warming affects.

Fascinating. Tell us more of your pseudo science. Give us all the peer reviewed material about this science you speak of.


Mostly referred to in Chapter 11. I already gave you the example of Arctic meltwater disrupting the North Atlantic Drift. That is one example of a consequence of Global Warming. Of course there are others. 

It doesn't seem like pseudo science, especially since that particular prediction looks like it's had some effect on Northern European winters in the past three years at least.

If you're going to argue against something, maybe you should make some effort to find out what you're arguing against.
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Re: Question for global warmin believers?
Reply #16 - Feb 14th, 2012 at 12:49pm
 
muso wrote on Feb 14th, 2012 at 10:45am:
If you're going to argue against something, maybe you should make some effort to find out what you're arguing against.


Progressiveslol will not make any effort other than regurgitating something he read by Bolt, Nova or (Not a) Lord Monkcton
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Reply #17 - Feb 15th, 2012 at 6:22am
 
muso wrote on Feb 14th, 2012 at 10:45am:
progressiveslol wrote on Feb 13th, 2012 at 8:15pm:
Wow your pseudo science gets even better. Not only is temperature, climate to you, but natural ocean currents is now global warming affects.

Fascinating. Tell us more of your pseudo science. Give us all the peer reviewed material about this science you speak of.


Mostly referred to in Chapter 11. I already gave you the example of Arctic meltwater disrupting the North Atlantic Drift. That is one example of a consequence of Global Warming. Of course there are others. 

It doesn't seem like pseudo science, especially since that particular prediction looks like it's had some effect on Northern European winters in the past three years at least.

If you're going to argue against something, maybe you should make some effort to find out what you're arguing against.

That would be fine if it actually happened, but it is not happening, so what is the point of stating said science if it were only used in a pseudo fashion.

What is happening however is a jetstream that has a convoluted shape, instead of a straight west to east movement. This is allowing for cold air to drift south, causing extreme weather and predicted by weatheraction. Nothing like what you or Jolly have stated.
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Re: Question for global warmin believers?
Reply #18 - Feb 15th, 2012 at 7:59am
 
progressiveslol wrote on Feb 15th, 2012 at 6:22am:
muso wrote on Feb 14th, 2012 at 10:45am:
progressiveslol wrote on Feb 13th, 2012 at 8:15pm:
Wow your pseudo science gets even better. Not only is temperature, climate to you, but natural ocean currents is now global warming affects.

Fascinating. Tell us more of your pseudo science. Give us all the peer reviewed material about this science you speak of.


Mostly referred to in Chapter 11. I already gave you the example of Arctic meltwater disrupting the North Atlantic Drift. That is one example of a consequence of Global Warming. Of course there are others. 

It doesn't seem like pseudo science, especially since that particular prediction looks like it's had some effect on Northern European winters in the past three years at least.

If you're going to argue against something, maybe you should make some effort to find out what you're arguing against.

That would be fine if it actually happened, but it is not happening, so what is the point of stating said science if it were only used in a pseudo fashion.

What is happening however is a jetstream that has a convoluted shape, instead of a straight west to east movement. This is allowing for cold air to drift south, causing extreme weather and predicted by weatheraction. Nothing like what you or Jolly have stated.


Is weatheraction another one of your denier blogs selling moonshine to those desperately looking for alternative explanations ?
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Re: Question for global warmin believers?
Reply #19 - Feb 15th, 2012 at 8:14am
 
Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 15th, 2012 at 7:59am:
progressiveslol wrote on Feb 15th, 2012 at 6:22am:
muso wrote on Feb 14th, 2012 at 10:45am:
progressiveslol wrote on Feb 13th, 2012 at 8:15pm:
Wow your pseudo science gets even better. Not only is temperature, climate to you, but natural ocean currents is now global warming affects.

Fascinating. Tell us more of your pseudo science. Give us all the peer reviewed material about this science you speak of.


Mostly referred to in Chapter 11. I already gave you the example of Arctic meltwater disrupting the North Atlantic Drift. That is one example of a consequence of Global Warming. Of course there are others. 

It doesn't seem like pseudo science, especially since that particular prediction looks like it's had some effect on Northern European winters in the past three years at least.

If you're going to argue against something, maybe you should make some effort to find out what you're arguing against.

That would be fine if it actually happened, but it is not happening, so what is the point of stating said science if it were only used in a pseudo fashion.

What is happening however is a jetstream that has a convoluted shape, instead of a straight west to east movement. This is allowing for cold air to drift south, causing extreme weather and predicted by weatheraction. Nothing like what you or Jolly have stated.


Is weatheraction another one of your denier blogs selling moonshine to those desperately looking for alternative explanations ?

No, that would be Mann Made Global Warming and Hansen
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Re: Question for global warmin believers?
Reply #20 - Feb 15th, 2012 at 10:54am
 
progressiveslol wrote on Feb 15th, 2012 at 8:14am:
Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 15th, 2012 at 7:59am:
progressiveslol wrote on Feb 15th, 2012 at 6:22am:
muso wrote on Feb 14th, 2012 at 10:45am:
progressiveslol wrote on Feb 13th, 2012 at 8:15pm:
Wow your pseudo science gets even better. Not only is temperature, climate to you, but natural ocean currents is now global warming affects.

Fascinating. Tell us more of your pseudo science. Give us all the peer reviewed material about this science you speak of.




Mostly referred to in Chapter 11. I already gave you the example of Arctic meltwater disrupting the North Atlantic Drift. That is one example of a consequence of Global Warming. Of course there are others. 

It doesn't seem like pseudo science, especially since that particular prediction looks like it's had some effect on Northern European winters in the past three years at least.

If you're going to argue against something, maybe you should make some effort to find out what you're arguing against.

That would be fine if it actually happened, but it is not happening, so what is the point of stating said science if it were only used in a pseudo fashion.

What is happening however is a jetstream that has a convoluted shape, instead of a straight west to east movement. This is allowing for cold air to drift south, causing extreme weather and predicted by weatheraction. Nothing like what you or Jolly have stated.


Is weatheraction another one of your denier blogs selling moonshine to those desperately looking for alternative explanations ?

No, <deleted diversion tactic>

Do you believe the predictions of weatheraction are anything more than pot luck ?
Peer review suggests not.
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Re: Question for global warmin believers?
Reply #21 - Feb 15th, 2012 at 11:38am
 
Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 15th, 2012 at 10:54am:
progressiveslol wrote on Feb 15th, 2012 at 8:14am:
Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 15th, 2012 at 7:59am:
progressiveslol wrote on Feb 15th, 2012 at 6:22am:
muso wrote on Feb 14th, 2012 at 10:45am:
progressiveslol wrote on Feb 13th, 2012 at 8:15pm:
Wow your pseudo science gets even better. Not only is temperature, climate to you, but natural ocean currents is now global warming affects.

Fascinating. Tell us more of your pseudo science. Give us all the peer reviewed material about this science you speak of.




Mostly referred to in Chapter 11. I already gave you the example of Arctic meltwater disrupting the North Atlantic Drift. That is one example of a consequence of Global Warming. Of course there are others. 

It doesn't seem like pseudo science, especially since that particular prediction looks like it's had some effect on Northern European winters in the past three years at least.

If you're going to argue against something, maybe you should make some effort to find out what you're arguing against.

That would be fine if it actually happened, but it is not happening, so what is the point of stating said science if it were only used in a pseudo fashion.

What is happening however is a jetstream that has a convoluted shape, instead of a straight west to east movement. This is allowing for cold air to drift south, causing extreme weather and predicted by weatheraction. Nothing like what you or Jolly have stated.


Is weatheraction another one of your denier blogs selling moonshine to those desperately looking for alternative explanations ?

No, <deleted diversion tactic>

Do you believe the predictions of weatheraction are anything more than pot luck ?
Peer review suggests not.

No, that would be Mann Made Global Warming and Hansen
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Re: Question for global warmin believers?
Reply #22 - Feb 15th, 2012 at 11:45am
 
progressiveslol wrote on Feb 15th, 2012 at 11:38am:
No, that would be Mann Made Global Warming and Hansen


I take it you dont want to defend the weatheraction nutter ?

A bit sensitive to review of  your nutty breatheran ?


Some pretty scathing reviews of his work...

"Forecasts prepared by Weather Action would repay further attention. The results provide little evidence to dismiss the observed success rates as being attributable to mere chance or good fortune. Indeed the balance of evidence indicates that the system performs better than chance although it is recognized that the margin of success differs greatly between the seasons and is lowest in winter when gales are most frequent."

Seems at best he can predict "seasons".  Well done.
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Reply #23 - Feb 15th, 2012 at 12:40pm
 
Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 15th, 2012 at 11:45am:
progressiveslol wrote on Feb 15th, 2012 at 11:38am:
No, that would be Mann Made Global Warming and Hansen


I take it you dont want to defend the weatheraction nutter ?

A bit sensitive to review of  your nutty breatheran ?


Some pretty scathing reviews of his work...

"Forecasts prepared by Weather Action would repay further attention. The results provide little evidence to dismiss the observed success rates as being attributable to mere chance or good fortune. Indeed the balance of evidence indicates that the system performs better than chance although it is recognized that the margin of success differs greatly between the seasons and is lowest in winter when gales are most frequent."

Seems at best he can predict "seasons".  Well done.
Grin

I don't have to review weather action. Weather action is doing longer term predictions than anyone and weather is complex and (opperative word) unpredictable. But with the complexity and unpredictablity, long term, weather action still mange to get better than chance results.

Go ask the MET office to give long term predictions and see what you get.

Me thinks you have no idea of all the forces at work that can change the weather at any given time. Better thance chance results means there is something there that weather action is doing right. What was it that you found with the MET office results or even climate change results. lol Weather action is even better than the climate change church. What is the results of MET, better than chance or no chance at all of getting anything right.
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Reply #24 - Feb 15th, 2012 at 1:00pm
 
progressiveslol wrote on Feb 15th, 2012 at 12:40pm:
Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 15th, 2012 at 11:45am:
progressiveslol wrote on Feb 15th, 2012 at 11:38am:
No, that would be Mann Made Global Warming and Hansen


I take it you dont want to defend the weatheraction nutter ?

A bit sensitive to review of  your nutty breatheran ?


Some pretty scathing reviews of his work...

"Forecasts prepared by Weather Action would repay further attention. The results provide little evidence to dismiss the observed success rates as being attributable to mere chance or good fortune. Indeed the balance of evidence indicates that the system performs better than chance although it is recognized that the margin of success differs greatly between the seasons and is lowest in winter when gales are most frequent."

Seems at best he can predict "seasons".  Well done.
Grin

I don't have to review weather action.

Thats why you get shown up so much. I doubt you even bother to do any backgroup checks on your supposed sources of truth (which end up being nutty bloggers like this baby)

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Weather action is doing longer term predictions than anyone and weather is complex and (opperative word) unpredictable. But with the complexity and unpredictablity, long term, weather action still mange to get better than chance results.

Go ask the MET office to give long term predictions and see what you get.



I doubt the MET office bother to publish predictions like " it will be hot in summer, and cold in winter". That's about all your mate got right.

Grin

Rather than dig yourself a bigger hole, just admin that quoting weatheraction was a mistake. I simple mistake brought about by inexperience, but a mistake all the same. Learn from it. Then we can all move on to discrediting your next nutter.
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Reply #25 - Feb 15th, 2012 at 1:18pm
 
Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 15th, 2012 at 1:00pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Feb 15th, 2012 at 12:40pm:
Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 15th, 2012 at 11:45am:
progressiveslol wrote on Feb 15th, 2012 at 11:38am:
No, that would be Mann Made Global Warming and Hansen


I take it you dont want to defend the weatheraction nutter ?

A bit sensitive to review of  your nutty breatheran ?


Some pretty scathing reviews of his work...

"Forecasts prepared by Weather Action would repay further attention. The results provide little evidence to dismiss the observed success rates as being attributable to mere chance or good fortune. Indeed the balance of evidence indicates that the system performs better than chance although it is recognized that the margin of success differs greatly between the seasons and is lowest in winter when gales are most frequent."

Seems at best he can predict "seasons".  Well done.
Grin

I don't have to review weather action.

Thats why you get shown up so much. I doubt you even bother to do any backgroup checks on your supposed sources of truth (which end up being nutty bloggers like this baby)

Quote:
Weather action is doing longer term predictions than anyone and weather is complex and (opperative word) unpredictable. But with the complexity and unpredictablity, long term, weather action still mange to get better than chance results.

Go ask the MET office to give long term predictions and see what you get.



I doubt the MET office bother to publish predictions like " it will be hot in summer, and cold in winter". That's about all your mate got right.

Grin

Rather than dig yourself a bigger hole, just admin that quoting weatheraction was a mistake. I simple mistake brought about by inexperience, but a mistake all the same. Learn from it. Then we can all move on to discrediting your next nutter.

So the MET office cant do long term prediction with better than chance outcomes hey. That is because they dont know what they are doing.
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Reply #26 - Feb 15th, 2012 at 1:31pm
 
progressiveslol wrote on Feb 15th, 2012 at 1:18pm:
So the MET office cant do long term prediction with better than chance outcomes hey. That is because they dont know what they are doing.


Yes dear, the MET dont know what they are doing.

Time for your medication and a lie down.
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Reply #27 - Feb 15th, 2012 at 2:09pm
 
Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 15th, 2012 at 1:31pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Feb 15th, 2012 at 1:18pm:
So the MET office cant do long term prediction with better than chance outcomes hey. That is because they dont know what they are doing.


Yes dear, the MET dont know what they are doing.

Time for your medication and a lie down.

They cant even give a 5 day prediction without it being a failure, let alone 6 months out like weather action and better than chance.
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Reply #28 - Feb 15th, 2012 at 4:27pm
 
progressiveslol wrote on Feb 15th, 2012 at 2:09pm:
Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 15th, 2012 at 1:31pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Feb 15th, 2012 at 1:18pm:
So the MET office cant do long term prediction with better than chance outcomes hey. That is because they dont know what they are doing.


Yes dear, the MET dont know what they are doing.

Time for your medication and a lie down.

They cant even give a 5 day prediction without it being a failure, let alone 6 months out like weather action and better than chance.


They have pretty unpredictable weather in the UK.  I daresay that taking tea leaf readings could be more accurate than the MET Office when it comes to long range forecasts - but only on the odd occasion. Of course you could always reverse engineer the predictions database and remove those that were inconveniently....wrong. 

I'd be interested to hear how Piers Corbyn predicts long term weather. I wonder if it involves seaweed. 

Another method involves examining the rings on a woolly bear caterpillar to predict the severity of winter. If the caterpillar has two black rings, one at each end, then it is said the winter will harsh in the beginning and at the end, but the middle of winter will be mild. Trouble is I'm fresh out of woolly bear caterpillars.

I was going for a walk one night and saw a lunar eclipse. An acquaintance noticed me looking at the moon and asked "Is that a sign of bad weather?" I said, "- actually, keep this to yourself but I think it's a sign of the Earth's shadow  getting in the way of sunlight reaching the moon - but please don't tell anybody. You know how people hate rationalists these days" 

A red sky at night is a sailor's delight. A red sky in the morning means you've been up all night drinking.
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Reply #29 - Feb 15th, 2012 at 7:27pm
 
muso wrote on Feb 15th, 2012 at 4:27pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Feb 15th, 2012 at 2:09pm:
Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 15th, 2012 at 1:31pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Feb 15th, 2012 at 1:18pm:
So the MET office cant do long term prediction with better than chance outcomes hey. That is because they dont know what they are doing.


Yes dear, the MET dont know what they are doing.

Time for your medication and a lie down.

They cant even give a 5 day prediction without it being a failure, let alone 6 months out like weather action and better than chance.


They have pretty unpredictable weather in the UK.  I daresay that taking tea leaf readings could be more accurate than the MET Office when it comes to long range forecasts - but only on the odd occasion. Of course you could always reverse engineer the predictions database and remove those that were inconveniently....wrong. 

I'd be interested to hear how Piers Corbyn predicts long term weather. I wonder if it involves seaweed. 

Another method involves examining the rings on a woolly bear caterpillar to predict the severity of winter. If the caterpillar has two black rings, one at each end, then it is said the winter will harsh in the beginning and at the end, but the middle of winter will be mild. Trouble is I'm fresh out of woolly bear caterpillars.

I was going for a walk one night and saw a lunar eclipse. An acquaintance noticed me looking at the moon and asked "Is that a sign of bad weather?" I said, "- actually, keep this to yourself but I think it's a sign of the Earth's shadow  getting in the way of sunlight reaching the moon - but please don't tell anybody. You know how people hate rationalists these days" 

A red sky at night is a sailor's delight. A red sky in the morning means you've been up all night drinking.

Maybe the aborigines know a thing or 2.

I hadn't taken much notice of the aborigines barometer, the black cockatoo, but after I saw a dozen a couple of weeks ago, we had a week and a half worth of rain starting the next day.

Then I remembered back on the days that the birds were pointed out to me and they had been pretty much spot on each time.

Weirder things have happened than reading seaweed.
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