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matty Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11055 East Sydney Gender:	Question for global warmin believers? Feb 13^th, 2012 at 1:30pm How do you defend this?: http://globalfreeze.wordpress.com/tag/tim-flannery-failed-predictions/
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Re: Question for global warmin believers?
Reply #2 - Feb 13^th, 2012 at 1:47pm

A site of misquotes. great. Have the deniers lowered themselves to this.

Two simple questions to the deniers:

1) If a 0.5 degree change in sea temperatures off Australia's east coast changes our whether patterns form drought 2+ years ago, to very bad flooding, dont you think our weather is very suseptable to changes in temperature ?

2) Where do you think all this co2 which was previously trapped safely underground (as coal and oil) is going once we burn it ?

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Reply #3 - Feb 13^th, 2012 at 1:58pm

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 1:47pm:

A site of misquotes. great. Have the deniers lowered themselves to this.

Two simple questions to the deniers:

1) If a 0.5 degree change in sea temperatures off Australia's east coast changes our whether patterns form drought 2+ years ago, to very bad flooding, dont you think our weather is very suseptable to changes in temperature ?2) Where do you think all this co2 which was previously trapped safely underground (as coal and oil) is going once we burn it ?

I think it was that Mexican dude El Nino that has done it.

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Reply #4 - Feb 13^th, 2012 at 2:13pm

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 1:47pm:

1) If a 0.5 degree change in sea temperatures off Australia's east coast changes our whether patterns form drought 2+ years ago, to very bad flooding, dont you think our weather is very suseptable to changes in temperature ?

Changes to weather over such a short period of time are just that: weather.

Climate and weather are not the same thing.

This fact seems to escape many of the AGW hypothesis disciples.

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Re: Question for global warmin believers?
Reply #5 - Feb 13^th, 2012 at 2:27pm

Uncle Meat wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 2:13pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 1:47pm:

1) If a 0.5 degree change in sea temperatures off Australia's east coast changes our whether patterns form drought 2+ years ago, to very bad flooding, dont you think our weather is very suseptable to changes in temperature ?

Changes to weather over such a short period of time are just that: weather.

Climate and weather are not the same thing.

This fact seems to escape many of the AGW hypothesis disciples.

Escape you. Weather is day to day events like rain, sun, fog.
Climate is much longer trends in decades, centuries, etc. All the world is relatively stable w.r.t climate (pre global warming), except for Australia's east coast (and South America's west coast), who go through this mini-climate change due to changes in pacific current called "El Nino, and La Nina".

A fantastic example of the effect of temperature (climate) on weather is being seen right now.

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Re: Question for global warmin believers?
Reply #6 - Feb 13^th, 2012 at 3:34pm

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 2:27pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 2:13pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 1:47pm:

1) If a 0.5 degree change in sea temperatures off Australia's east coast changes our whether patterns form drought 2+ years ago, to very bad flooding, dont you think our weather is very suseptable to changes in temperature ?

Changes to weather over such a short period of time are just that: weather.

Climate and weather are not the same thing.

This fact seems to escape many of the AGW hypothesis disciples.

Escape you. Weather is day to day events like rain, sun, fog.
Climate is much longer trends in decades, centuries, etc. All the world is relatively stable w.r.t climate (pre global warming), except for Australia's east coast (and South America's west coast), who go through this mini-climate change due to changes in pacific current called "El Nino, and La Nina".

A fantastic example of the effect of temperature (climate) on weather is being seen right now.

So we're likely to see big droughts and big deluges or more extreme variability with climate change?

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Re: Question for global warmin believers?
Reply #7 - Feb 13^th, 2012 at 3:46pm

tonegunman1 wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 3:34pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 2:27pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 2:13pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 1:47pm:

1) If a 0.5 degree change in sea temperatures off Australia's east coast changes our whether patterns form drought 2+ years ago, to very bad flooding, dont you think our weather is very suseptable to changes in temperature ?

Changes to weather over such a short period of time are just that: weather.

Climate and weather are not the same thing.

This fact seems to escape many of the AGW hypothesis disciples.

Escape you. Weather is day to day events like rain, sun, fog.
Climate is much longer trends in decades, centuries, etc. All the world is relatively stable w.r.t climate (pre global warming), except for Australia's east coast (and South America's west coast), who go through this mini-climate change due to changes in pacific current called "El Nino, and La Nina".

A fantastic example of the effect of temperature (climate) on weather is being seen right now.

So we're likely to see big droughts and big deluges or more extreme variability with climate change?

As has been said by most scientists, its difficult to know exactly where and by how much things will change. If they knew that, they'd be buying up all the land that has minimal impact.

Climate change will impact the ocean currents, which will impact the land climate. A classic example of this is good old Al Gore's movie about northern hemisphere freeze in Europe, because the warm current that comes up the atlantic stops due to global warming. (ie warming causing localised cooling*).

* - This always gets the deniers in a tis.
Grin

If La Nina becomes the predominant pattern, then we will see a lot more floods etc. If El Nino does, we will be in longer droughts.

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Reply #8 - Feb 13^th, 2012 at 4:40pm

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 3:46pm:

tonegunman1 wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 3:34pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 2:27pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 2:13pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 1:47pm:

1) If a 0.5 degree change in sea temperatures off Australia's east coast changes our whether patterns form drought 2+ years ago, to very bad flooding, dont you think our weather is very suseptable to changes in temperature ?

Changes to weather over such a short period of time are just that: weather.

Climate and weather are not the same thing.

This fact seems to escape many of the AGW hypothesis disciples.

Escape you. Weather is day to day events like rain, sun, fog.
Climate is much longer trends in decades, centuries, etc. All the world is relatively stable w.r.t climate (pre global warming), except for Australia's east coast (and South America's west coast), who go through this mini-climate change due to changes in pacific current called "El Nino, and La Nina".

A fantastic example of the effect of temperature (climate) on weather is being seen right now.

So we're likely to see big droughts and big deluges or more extreme variability with climate change?

As has been said by most scientists, its difficult to know exactly where and by how much things will change. If they knew that, they'd be buying up all the land that has minimal impact.

Climate change will impact the ocean currents, which will impact the land climate. A classic example of this is good old Al Gore's movie about northern hemisphere freeze in Europe, because the warm current that comes up the atlantic stops due to global warming. (ie warming causing localised cooling*).

* - This always gets the deniers in a tis.
Grin

If La Nina becomes the predominant pattern, then we will see a lot more floods etc. If El Nino does, we will be in longer droughts.

The warm current in question is the Gulfstream and the problem with this is that in March 2010 Jim Willis from NASA said it was not slowing down and this "colder than normal Northern Hemisphere winter was "probably part of a natural cycle"
Also in March of that year has NASA saying the Gulfstream is actually speeding up by 20%. (Geophysical Research Letters, March 2010)
However by December it was a mid Atlantic High pressure system had moved the current more north making Canada and Greenland warmer but colder for Europe.
So it is a rather "movable" feast of "facts".

So and to the El Nino and La Nina events off the east coast of Australia, these are a very similar senario to that of the east coast of Australia circa late 1800's and culminating in the Federation drought. Much bigger and more widespread floods and droughts than now...
This would indicate that there is nothing new here regarding recent well publicised and attributed weather events.

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Re: Question for global warmin believers?
Reply #9 - Feb 13^th, 2012 at 7:05pm

tonegunman1 wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 3:34pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 2:27pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 2:13pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 1:47pm:

1) If a 0.5 degree change in sea temperatures off Australia's east coast changes our whether patterns form drought 2+ years ago, to very bad flooding, dont you think our weather is very suseptable to changes in temperature ?

Changes to weather over such a short period of time are just that: weather.

Climate and weather are not the same thing.

This fact seems to escape many of the AGW hypothesis disciples.

Escape you. Weather is day to day events like rain, sun, fog.
Climate is much longer trends in decades, centuries, etc. All the world is relatively stable w.r.t climate (pre global warming), except for Australia's east coast (and South America's west coast), who go through this mini-climate change due to changes in pacific current called "El Nino, and La Nina".

A fantastic example of the effect of temperature (climate) on weather is being seen right now.

So we're likely to see big droughts and big deluges or more extreme variability with climate change?

THE HYDROLOGICAL CYCLE IS BEING FED MORE ENERGY,... THE REST IS LARGELY EDUCATED GUESS WORK!

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Reply #10 - Feb 13^th, 2012 at 8:11pm

tonegunman1 wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 4:40pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 3:46pm:

tonegunman1 wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 3:34pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 2:27pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 2:13pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 1:47pm:

1) If a 0.5 degree change in sea temperatures off Australia's east coast changes our whether patterns form drought 2+ years ago, to very bad flooding, dont you think our weather is very suseptable to changes in temperature ?

Changes to weather over such a short period of time are just that: weather.

Climate and weather are not the same thing.

This fact seems to escape many of the AGW hypothesis disciples.

Escape you. Weather is day to day events like rain, sun, fog.
Climate is much longer trends in decades, centuries, etc. All the world is relatively stable w.r.t climate (pre global warming), except for Australia's east coast (and South America's west coast), who go through this mini-climate change due to changes in pacific current called "El Nino, and La Nina".

A fantastic example of the effect of temperature (climate) on weather is being seen right now.

So we're likely to see big droughts and big deluges or more extreme variability with climate change?

As has been said by most scientists, its difficult to know exactly where and by how much things will change. If they knew that, they'd be buying up all the land that has minimal impact.

Climate change will impact the ocean currents, which will impact the land climate. A classic example of this is good old Al Gore's movie about northern hemisphere freeze in Europe, because the warm current that comes up the atlantic stops due to global warming. (ie warming causing localised cooling*).

* - This always gets the deniers in a tis.
Grin

If La Nina becomes the predominant pattern, then we will see a lot more floods etc. If El Nino does, we will be in longer droughts.

The warm current in question is the Gulfstream and the problem with this is that in March 2010 Jim Willis from NASA said it was not slowing down and this "colder than normal Northern Hemisphere winter was "probably part of a natural cycle"
Also in March of that year has NASA saying the Gulfstream is actually speeding up by 20%. (Geophysical Research Letters, March 2010)
However by December it was a mid Atlantic High pressure system had moved the current more north making Canada and Greenland warmer but colder for Europe.
So it is a rather "movable" feast of "facts".

So and to the El Nino and La Nina events off the east coast of Australia, these are a very similar senario to that of the east coast of Australia circa late 1800's and culminating in the Federation drought. Much bigger and more widespread floods and droughts than now...
This would indicate that there is nothing new here regarding recent well publicised and attributed weather events.

Of course. You do realise we havent really seen the effects of global warming yet. The first I've heard of any very noticable changes in climate isnt due until 2050.

What I am saying is La Nina and El Nino are a good taste of how dramatic weather can change with only 0.5 degrees of warming, and by 2100 we'll have 2 degrees.

Something to look forward too.
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Reply #11 - Feb 13^th, 2012 at 8:12pm

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 2:27pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 2:13pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 1:47pm:

1) If a 0.5 degree change in sea temperatures off Australia's east coast changes our whether patterns form drought 2+ years ago, to very bad flooding, dont you think our weather is very suseptable to changes in temperature ?

Changes to weather over such a short period of time are just that: weather.

Climate and weather are not the same thing.

This fact seems to escape many of the AGW hypothesis disciples.

Escape you. Weather is day to day events like rain, sun, fog.
Climate is much longer trends in decades, centuries, etc. All the world is relatively stable w.r.t climate (pre global warming), except for Australia's east coast (and South America's west coast), who go through this mini-climate change due to changes in pacific current called "El Nino, and La Nina".

A fantastic example of the effect of temperature (climate) on weather is being seen right now.

lol so you are saying that temperature is climate. Fascinating. Tell us more of your pseudo science.

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Reply #12 - Feb 13^th, 2012 at 8:15pm

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 3:46pm:

tonegunman1 wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 3:34pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 2:27pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 2:13pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 1:47pm:

1) If a 0.5 degree change in sea temperatures off Australia's east coast changes our whether patterns form drought 2+ years ago, to very bad flooding, dont you think our weather is very suseptable to changes in temperature ?

Changes to weather over such a short period of time are just that: weather.

Climate and weather are not the same thing.

This fact seems to escape many of the AGW hypothesis disciples.

Escape you. Weather is day to day events like rain, sun, fog.
Climate is much longer trends in decades, centuries, etc. All the world is relatively stable w.r.t climate (pre global warming), except for Australia's east coast (and South America's west coast), who go through this mini-climate change due to changes in pacific current called "El Nino, and La Nina".

A fantastic example of the effect of temperature (climate) on weather is being seen right now.

So we're likely to see big droughts and big deluges or more extreme variability with climate change?

As has been said by most scientists, its difficult to know exactly where and by how much things will change. If they knew that, they'd be buying up all the land that has minimal impact.

Climate change will impact the ocean currents, which will impact the land climate. A classic example of this is good old Al Gore's movie about northern hemisphere freeze in Europe, because the warm current that comes up the atlantic stops due to global warming. (ie warming causing localised cooling*).

* - This always gets the deniers in a tis.
Grin

If La Nina becomes the predominant pattern, then we will see a lot more floods etc. If El Nino does, we will be in longer droughts.

Wow your pseudo science gets even better. Not only is temperature, climate to you, but natural ocean currents is now global warming affects.

Fascinating. Tell us more of your pseudo science. Give us all the peer reviewed material about this science you speak of.

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Reply #13 - Feb 14^th, 2012 at 10:37am

tonegunman1 wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 3:34pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 2:27pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 2:13pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 1:47pm:

1) If a 0.5 degree change in sea temperatures off Australia's east coast changes our whether patterns form drought 2+ years ago, to very bad flooding, dont you think our weather is very suseptable to changes in temperature ?

Changes to weather over such a short period of time are just that: weather.

Climate and weather are not the same thing.

This fact seems to escape many of the AGW hypothesis disciples.

Escape you. Weather is day to day events like rain, sun, fog.
Climate is much longer trends in decades, centuries, etc. All the world is relatively stable w.r.t climate (pre global warming), except for Australia's east coast (and South America's west coast), who go through this mini-climate change due to changes in pacific current called "El Nino, and La Nina".

A fantastic example of the effect of temperature (climate) on weather is being seen right now.

So we're likely to see big droughts and big deluges or more extreme variability with climate change?

Yeah - That's what the regional predictions show. Some areas will be much drier while some areas will be wetter. A lot depends on factors such as changing Ocean currents.

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Reply #14 - Feb 14^th, 2012 at 10:40am

matty wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 1:30pm:

How do you defend this?:

http://globalfreeze.wordpress.com/tag/tim-flannery-failed-predictions/

How do I defend Tim Flannery? Why is that even a relevent question. If Tim Flannery wants to stick his neck out and make predictions that nobody else has done for a short time span of two years, then he should defend himself.

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