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We Are Going To Fight It Said Mr Abbott.
Feb 11th, 2012 at 5:41pm
 
Jacqueline Maley
February 11, 2012



THE Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott, has pledged to fight government plans to means test the private health insurance rebate ''every step of the way'' but refused to commit to rescinding the measures if elected to government.   Sad

Asked whether he would get rid of the means test if elected to government, Mr Abbott said: ''We're going to fight it. Ask me that question if we come to that situation.''   Sad

The government this week introduced to Parliament legislation to means test the private health insurance rebate, a policy that will increase health costs for wealthier families by up to $1300 a year.


The means testing measures have twice been rejected by Parliament, but the government is understood to have secured the numbers to finally push them through with the expected support of the crossbenchers Rob Oakeshott and Andrew Wilkie, and the Greens' Adam Bandt.   Smiley

The Health Minister, Tanya Plibersek, is selling the changes as an equity measure but the opposition says the government is just desperate to make savings to return the budget to surplus in 2012-13 as it has repeatedly promised it would.

The changes are estimated to deliver $2.4 billion to government coffers, a much-needed boost to the budget bottom line.   Smiley

The opposition health spokesman, Peter Dutton, also refused to be drawn on whether the Coalition would abolish the measures if elected. ''I think we can actually do better if Labor gets this through,'' he said on Adelaide radio.

''I've actually got some exciting things to do in private health insurance to make it more popular.''

An abolition would effectively return the system to the status quo but cancel the $2.4 billion saving.

The government and opposition are also at odds over the number of people expected to drop out of private health insurance if the means test measures are passed.

According to Treasury modelling, the changes will cause 0.3 per cent of private health insurance holders, or 27,000 people, to drop out of private health altogether and fall back on the public health system.

According to the modelling, all of the drop-outs would be from the first tier of those eligible for the means test, singles on $83,000 to $96,000 a year (excluding super) and families on $166,000 to $192,000 a year.

This is because these people are on a low-enough income that they will not be slapped by the Medicare levy surcharge if they drop out of private health insurance, but a high-enough income to be affected by the means test.

But, a Deloitte report commissioned by Private Healthcare Australia estimates that 175,000 people from the ''tiers'', as in those affected by the rebate changes, will drop out of private hospital cover in the first year alone.

Over the following four years, a total of 1.6 million consumers would drop their private hospital cover, including those who are still able to claim the full 30 per cent, because overall premiums will have risen. All these consumers would be pushed onto the public hospital system.

The government disputes the report. Ms Plibersek's office said that, according to historical data, price fluctuations do not cause people to drop out of private health cover.   Wink

The same report says that the changes will cause private health insurance premiums to rise 10 per cent above what would otherwise be expected, affecting all consumers.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/abbott-silent-on-coalition-plans-for-health-means-test-20120210-1skut.html#ixzz1m3ZIa0YP
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Reply #2 - Feb 11th, 2012 at 5:52pm
 
Yes of course you will fight it Mr Abbott.  Its the liberal way is it not?.  Always look after the well off, and the big end of town.   Sad
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Reply #3 - Feb 11th, 2012 at 5:55pm
 
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Yes of course you will fight it Mr Abbott.  Its the liberal way is it not?.  Always look after the well off, and the big end of town.   Sad


actually, its called the WORKING end of town. No surprise you dont recognise it.
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longweekend58 wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 5:55pm:
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Yes of course you will fight it Mr Abbott.  Its the liberal way is it not?.  Always look after the well off, and the big end of town.   Sad


actually, its called the WORKING end of town. No surprise you dont recognise it.

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Reply #5 - Feb 11th, 2012 at 6:26pm
 

This shouldn't surprise anybody, Abbott has made it perfectly clear with his history already that he despises the Medical sector.

I'm sure if he thought he would get away with it without having his political balls ripped off, he would rescind Medicare itself and put us in the same f*cked up position the Americans are in.
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Reply #6 - Feb 11th, 2012 at 7:34pm
 
GoddyofOz wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 6:26pm:
This shouldn't surprise anybody, Abbott has made it perfectly clear with his history already that he despises the Medical sector.

I'm sure if he thought he would get away with it without having his political balls ripped off, he would rescind Medicare itself and put us in the same f*cked up position the Americans are in.


Gillard also shoudlnt surprise us since her word is obviously worthless.
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Reply #7 - Feb 11th, 2012 at 7:52pm
 
How will Tony Abbott fund anything if he becomes PM.....Howard and Costello reduced budget revenue by delivering successive tax cuts that have eroded the integrity of the budget and created a situation where the budget cannot support the expensive wealthfare Howard used to bribe the electorate.....Either Abbott will have to increase taxes to pay for his policies or cut spending to big budget items like health education or defense!!!

As Abbott has already said he will not raise taxes apart from his tax on business to pay for his maternity leave scheme so he will have to cut funding to services and funding to the States.....Australia cannot afford to have Tony Abbott cut funding to public services that have already seen billions of taxpayer dollars diverted to the private sector to support the wealthy!!!
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Reply #8 - Feb 11th, 2012 at 7:54pm
 

Of course it should be means-tested, no question.
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Reply #9 - Feb 11th, 2012 at 8:17pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 7:52pm:
How will Tony Abbott fund anything if he becomes PM.....Howard and Costello reduced budget revenue by delivering successive tax cuts that have eroded the integrity of the budget and created a situation where the budget cannot support the expensive wealthfare Howard used to bribe the electorate.....Either Abbott will have to increase taxes to pay for his policies or cut spending to big budget items like health education or defense!!!

As Abbott has already said he will not raise taxes apart from his tax on business to pay for his maternity leave scheme so he will have to cut funding to services and funding to the States.....Australia cannot afford to have Tony Abbott cut funding to public services that have already seen billions of taxpayer dollars diverted to the private sector to support the wealthy!!!


Taxes will have to increase AND Expenditure will have to be reduced!

However, saying that, is the easy part, because Health Costs are set to increase dramatically, owing to the aging Baby Boomers & I think Defense may actually be needed (even more) in the years ahead, so it will be very difficult to lower Defense spending.

In terms of Increasing taxes, that is THE PRIMARY reason why Labor went for the CARBON TAX, because it will generate large chunks of Tax, at exactly the time when "normal Tax Revenues" are set to Decline, as GFC2 starts to impact, from this year!

That said, increasing the Tax base is going to be a "hard road"! 

So, whilst I agree generally with what you said, IT WILL BE EXTRAORDINARILY DIFFICULT TO ACTUALLY DO, as everything will have pressures coming and the old general AUS-terity will simply make things worse, which means a great deal of care & selectivity will be required!  

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Reply #10 - Feb 11th, 2012 at 8:25pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 8:17pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 7:52pm:
How will Tony Abbott fund anything if he becomes PM.....Howard and Costello reduced budget revenue by delivering successive tax cuts that have eroded the integrity of the budget and created a situation where the budget cannot support the expensive wealthfare Howard used to bribe the electorate.....Either Abbott will have to increase taxes to pay for his policies or cut spending to big budget items like health education or defense!!!

As Abbott has already said he will not raise taxes apart from his tax on business to pay for his maternity leave scheme so he will have to cut funding to services and funding to the States.....Australia cannot afford to have Tony Abbott cut funding to public services that have already seen billions of taxpayer dollars diverted to the private sector to support the wealthy!!!


Taxes will have to increase AND Expenditure will have to be reduced!

However, saying that, is the easy part, because Health Costs are set to increase dramatically, owing to the aging Baby Boomers & I think Defense may actually be needed (even more) in the years ahead, so it will be very difficult to lower Defense spending.

In terms of Increasing taxes, that is THE PRIMARY reason why Labor went for the CARBON TAX, because it will generate large chunks of Tax, at exactly the time when "normal Tax Revenues" are set to Decline, as GFC2 starts to impact, from this year!

That said, increasing the Tax base is going to be a "hard road"! 

So, whilst I agree generally with what you said, IT WILL BE EXTRAORDINARILY DIFFICULT TO ACTUALLY DO, as everything will have pressures coming and the old general AUS-terity will simply make things worse, which means a great deal of care & selectivity will be required!  




Of course the mining tax will also provide revenue to support our aging population if Abbott does not scrap it and the NBN is set to return a sizable dividend once it has paid back the cost of its implementation if Abbott does not scrap it and means testing health rebate will provide much needed revenue if Abbott does not scrap it!!!

The ALP should also look at the concessions to superannuation that also cost the taxpayer billions of dollars and is growing....It would be cheaper to scrap the superannuation concessions all together and give everyone the pension instead of letting them squirrel away millions tax free!!!
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Reply #11 - Feb 12th, 2012 at 7:11am
 
I gree with having this means tested and also agree that the number of drop outs would be higher than expected. I think that they set the level a bit low on this.

I would certainly consider dropping out as I pay just under $300 a fourtnight with the rebate and get very little value for it. This would mean a considerable increase which I could not justify paying.

Maybe just stay in and drop to the lowest scale - would need to crunch the numbers against benifits.
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Yes of course you will fight it Mr Abbott.  Its the liberal way is it not?.  Always look after the well off, and the big end of town.   Sad


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Why would the big end of town worry about a rebate of a couple of thousand dollars per year? These people wouldn't even bother with premiums - they'd have enough assets to cover treatment with a credit card.

It would be the struggling families who'd be cutting down on essentials in order to pay health insurance knowing, that Medicare can only stretch so far -  hospitals are chockablock and insurance can make the difference between life or death, or between suffering the pain of osteoarthritis for a couple of years before  A BED IS AVAILABLE!

And even this bed might become unavailable because some drunk had caused a major road accident!
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Reply #13 - Feb 12th, 2012 at 3:29pm
 
olde.sault wrote on Feb 12th, 2012 at 3:22pm:
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Yes of course you will fight it Mr Abbott.  Its the liberal way is it not?.  Always look after the well off, and the big end of town.   Sad


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Why would the big end of town worry about a rebate of a couple of thousand dollars per year? These people wouldn't even bother with premiums - they'd have enough assets to cover treatment with a credit card.

It would be the struggling families who'd be cutting down on essentials in order to pay health insurance knowing, that Medicare can only stretch so far -  hospitals are chockablock and insurance can make the difference between life or death, or between suffering the pain of osteoarthritis for a couple of years before  A BED IS AVAILABLE!

And even this bed might become unavailable because some drunk had caused a major road accident!


And thats the big lie you guys keep pushing.
$83K for a single person, is double the average wage BTW is only the STARTING point so they would still get 90% of it.
Singles lose the rebate at $122K.
$166K for a family is the STARTING point, you have to earn over $258K BEFORE YOU LOSE IT TOTALLY.

How many couples do you know on a quarter of a million yearly Saulty?
1, 10 , 100
Better be the hundred the way you are carrying on.
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Reply #14 - Feb 12th, 2012 at 3:30pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 7:34pm:
GoddyofOz wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 6:26pm:
This shouldn't surprise anybody, Abbott has made it perfectly clear with his history already that he despises the Medical sector.

I'm sure if he thought he would get away with it without having his political balls ripped off, he would rescind Medicare itself and put us in the same f*cked up position the Americans are in.


Gillard also shoudlnt surprise us since her word is obviously worthless.

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