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Re: A change in our constitution needed desperately
Reply #30 - Feb 11th, 2012 at 11:36am
 
Mnemonic wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 11:25am:
olde.sault wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 1:09am:
This being, that a candidate should remain with the party he represented during the election.

This metamorphous-ing to independent or turncoat-ing is just not fair to his colleagues nor constituents.

Alternatively, he should pay for his own bi-election - give his area the option to re-elect him on his change of sides.

Why haven't our dumb politicians worked this out long ago?

Wish that I was younger or stronger so that I could make a few changes.


This is not the kind of thing that should go in a Constitution. We already have the bare minimum for a functioning democracy. If it's really so important, they should be a part of Electoral Law, not the constitution.


Whatever - but something must plug this hole for prima donnas!
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Reply #31 - Feb 11th, 2012 at 11:38am
 
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Carbon  "Dioxide" is NOT a pollutant


No it is a Green House gas that contributes to Global Warming.....The pollutant crap is a denier trick that stupid people use to prove they are stupid!!!

The most perfidious way of harming a cause consists of defending it deliberately with faulty arguments.
Friedrich Nietzsche (1844 - 1900), The Gay Science, section 191
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Reply #32 - Feb 11th, 2012 at 12:11pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 11:38am:
Old Sault wrote
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Carbon  "Dioxide" is NOT a pollutant


No it is a Green House gas that contributes to Global Warming.....The pollutant crap is a denier trick that stupid people use to prove they are stupid!!!

The most perfidious way of harming a cause consists of defending it deliberately with faulty arguments.
Friedrich Nietzsche (1844 - 1900), The Gay Science, section 191


The excess carbon dioxide in our atmosphere is a pollutant.
If you have to much of anything in the wrong place that is causing damage it is a pollutant.
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Reply #33 - Feb 11th, 2012 at 12:25pm
 
FRED. wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 11:14am:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 10:09am:
bomen_guy wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 9:39am:
olde.sault wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 9:16am:
Just quietly, at least, the GST catches revenue from
the consumers who earn cash-in-hand, and those who overstay their visas.

Far, far more constructive than the carbon dioxide tax based on a scam.


It also catches aslyum seeker in detention centres and prisoners to pay taxes by GST



At the same time it provided big tax reductions at the top end.

A big portion of the additional money raised by the GST came from Pensioners the unemployed and low wage earners who previously were not taxed.

EXCEPT  BY A LARGE VARIETY OF SALES TAXES   BEING CONVENIENTLY  FORGOTTEN   

BY THE BULLSHIT LEFT WINGERS 


Just quietly, at least, the GST catches revenue from
the consumers who earn cash-in-hand, and those who overstay their visas.


And

EXCEPT  BY A LARGE VARIETY OF SALES TAXES   BEING CONVENIENTLY  FORGOTTEN   

Can't have it both ways. If you go with to make the GST gets more from those avoiding tax then the sales tax argument also cones into play there.

The sales tax bit also was a much greater benifit to people more wealth and was not much benifit to the elderly and unemployed.

Sales tax was between 12% and 40% for luxury items.

a 12% mostly (up to 22%) tax on about 20 to 30% of items was replaced by a 10% tax on about 80% of items plus all services with most food exempt.

The brief low level of compensation had no long term impact just helped people get use to being worse off overall.
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Reply #34 - Feb 11th, 2012 at 12:26pm
 
adelcrow wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 12:11pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 11:38am:
Old Sault wrote
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Carbon  "Dioxide" is NOT a pollutant


No it is a Green House gas that contributes to Global Warming.....The pollutant crap is a denier trick that stupid people use to prove they are stupid!!!

The most perfidious way of harming a cause consists of defending it deliberately with faulty arguments.
Friedrich Nietzsche (1844 - 1900), The Gay Science, section 191


The excess carbon dioxide in our atmosphere is a pollutant.
If you have to much of anything in the wrong place that is causing damage it is a pollutant.


I agree but that argument will be attacked because the obvious point is CO2 in the atmosphere is not in the wrong place it is where it should be.....The fact that it is a Green house gas that causes Global Warming is the issue not whether it is a pollutant or not!!!
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Reply #35 - Feb 11th, 2012 at 12:36pm
 
olde.sault wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 11:25am:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 8:57am:
About 2 broken promised one serious (pokies) and one little impact (Carbon)

Poor but still a much better record in that area than the previous Lib Leader.


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You sure are a liar and a poor one at that.


"Carbon tax" no impact?Firstly,based on a lie, that it is a pollution, Carbon  "Dioxide" is NOT a pollutant.

Second, that it'll have little impact. . .

Tell that to the manufacturers who are folding their tents to shift overseas.

You are a die-hard leftie and a fool at that for you'll be the first to whinge as the country sinks into poverty.



"Carbon tax" no impact?

That is not what I said - I say low impact because the policy was always to introduce a price on carbon emissions - the difference is that it was going to be a trading scheme - Fairly obvious that the difference is little.

Tell that to the manufacturers who are folding their tents to shift overseas.

Who are they?

Its difficult for Miners to go overseas and keep digging holes in Australia , How about Power production, they still need to produce power in Australia?

There have been manufacturers going O/S for decades, particularly poor managed companies with low moral standards who find it easier to compete if they use third world employment standards.

This is a real problem - just not this problem.
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Reply #36 - Feb 11th, 2012 at 12:54pm
 
adelcrow wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 8:58am:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 8:57am:
olde.sault wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 8:45am:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 8:28am:
olde.sault wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 7:56am:
adelcrow wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 7:52am:
Some of the changes we need in federal politics is an end to tax payer funded superannuation, doubling of salaries, yearly published performance appraisals from an independant auditor and fixed 4 yr terms.

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I agree on some point but truly, would you like another year of PM JuLiar Gillard?

LOL


I rather like the 3 year terms but another year of Julia would be a good thing in my opinion compared to the other option.

Fixed terms may have put the opposition in the position of trying to make decisions for the benefit of Australia instead of focusing on making mischief and creating instability on any possible issue.

The poor behaviour of the current opposition has been a disgrace.


Really?

How about JuLIAR's behaviour, the lies, the broken promises?

Take off your blindfold, mate!


About 2 broken promised one serious (pokies) and one little impact (Carbon)

Poor but still a much better record in that area than the previous Lib Leader.


After each election Howard seemed to have a lot of NON CORE PROMISES  Grin


Gillard breaks CORE promise tho. Im not sure how you think that is an improvement!
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Reply #37 - Feb 11th, 2012 at 12:56pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 12:25pm:
FRED. wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 11:14am:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 10:09am:
bomen_guy wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 9:39am:
olde.sault wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 9:16am:
Just quietly, at least, the GST catches revenue from
the consumers who earn cash-in-hand, and those who overstay their visas.

Far, far more constructive than the carbon dioxide tax based on a scam.


It also catches aslyum seeker in detention centres and prisoners to pay taxes by GST



At the same time it provided big tax reductions at the top end.

A big portion of the additional money raised by the GST came from Pensioners the unemployed and low wage earners who previously were not taxed.

EXCEPT  BY A LARGE VARIETY OF SALES TAXES   BEING CONVENIENTLY  FORGOTTEN   

BY THE BULLSHIT LEFT WINGERS 


Just quietly, at least, the GST catches revenue from
the consumers who earn cash-in-hand, and those who overstay their visas.


And

EXCEPT  BY A LARGE VARIETY OF SALES TAXES   BEING CONVENIENTLY  FORGOTTEN   

Can't have it both ways. If you go with to make the GST gets more from those avoiding tax then the sales tax argument also cones into play there.

The sales tax bit also was a much greater benifit to people more wealth and was not much benifit to the elderly and unemployed.

Sales tax was between 12% and 40% for luxury items.

a 12% mostly (up to 22%) tax on about 20 to 30% of items was replaced by a 10% tax on about 80% of items plus all services with most food exempt.

The brief low level of compensation had no long term impact just helped people get use to being worse off overall.


and now you are defending salestax. you are getting sillier and sillier.
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Reply #38 - Feb 11th, 2012 at 1:03pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 12:56pm:
and now you are defending salestax. you are getting sillier and sillier.



I am not defending anything - just pointing out the fact that it was miniscule compared to the GST.

Fact is that a rather small tax was replaced by a much larger one.

Never said that either was better than the other just that people are paying a truck load more in GST and its impact is targeted lower.
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Reply #39 - Feb 11th, 2012 at 1:06pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 12:54pm:
Gillard breaks CORE promise tho. Im not sure how you think that is an improvement!


I think one was probably non core if you consider that there was always going to be a price put on carbon.

However you are right Gillards performance in this area has been disgracefull even at about 10% of the Howard standard.
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Reply #40 - Feb 11th, 2012 at 4:11pm
 
adelcrow wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 12:11pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 11:38am:
Old Sault wrote
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Carbon  "Dioxide" is NOT a pollutant


No it is a Green House gas that contributes to Global Warming.....The pollutant crap is a denier trick that stupid people use to prove they are stupid!!!

The most perfidious way of harming a cause consists of defending it deliberately with faulty arguments.
Friedrich Nietzsche (1844 - 1900), The Gay Science, section 191


The excess carbon dioxide in our atmosphere is a pollutant.
If you have to much of anything in the wrong place that is causing damage it is a pollutant.


That seems to have been disproven.

In fact, we were threatened with droughts and excessive heat.

This has not occurred in the past fifteen years, in fact, this summer has been the coldest and wettest of my memory.

We can't be breaking records in the wrong direction to make your theory stick,  mate.

Even a bright 7 year old would not believe that the globe is warming, in fact, warming would be preferable to the opposite worry. . .er. . . a mini ice age!

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Reply #41 - Feb 11th, 2012 at 4:23pm
 
olde.sault wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 8:45am:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 8:28am:
olde.sault wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 7:56am:
adelcrow wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 7:52am:
Some of the changes we need in federal politics is an end to tax payer funded superannuation, doubling of salaries, yearly published performance appraisals from an independant auditor and fixed 4 yr terms.

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I agree on some point but truly, would you like another year of PM JuLiar Gillard?

LOL


I rather like the 3 year terms but another year of Julia would be a good thing in my opinion compared to the other option.

Fixed terms may have put the opposition in the position of trying to make decisions for the benefit of Australia instead of focusing on making mischief and creating instability on any possible issue.

The poor behaviour of the current opposition has been a disgrace.


Really?

How about JuLIAR's behaviour, the lies, the broken promises?

Take off your blindfold, mate!


More like remove your ignorance. Name one PM in your time that has not lied and changed their mind on key issues. Your a goose. Your whole idea is typical of the sour grapes opposition we have. I really think you dumb ass conservatives still can not believe you lost in 2007.
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Reply #42 - Feb 11th, 2012 at 4:24pm
 
olde.sault wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 4:11pm:
adelcrow wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 12:11pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 11:38am:
Old Sault wrote
Quote:
Carbon  "Dioxide" is NOT a pollutant


No it is a Green House gas that contributes to Global Warming.....The pollutant crap is a denier trick that stupid people use to prove they are stupid!!!

The most perfidious way of harming a cause consists of defending it deliberately with faulty arguments.
Friedrich Nietzsche (1844 - 1900), The Gay Science, section 191


The excess carbon dioxide in our atmosphere is a pollutant.
If you have to much of anything in the wrong place that is causing damage it is a pollutant.


That seems to have been disproven.

In fact, we were threatened with droughts and excessive heat.

This has not occurred in the past fifteen years, in fact, this summer has been the coldest and wettest of my memory.

We can't be breaking records in the wrong direction to make your theory stick,  mate.

Even a bright 7 year old would not believe that the globe is warming, in fact, warming would be preferable to the opposite worry. . .er. . . a mini ice age!


LOL stupidity still reigns supreme in mellies house. Cheesy At least a 7 year old would understand the difference between climate and weather,something poor old mel is still battling with. Roll Eyes
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Reply #43 - Feb 11th, 2012 at 4:34pm
 
olde.sault wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 4:11pm:
adelcrow wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 12:11pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 11:38am:
Old Sault wrote
Quote:
Carbon  "Dioxide" is NOT a pollutant


No it is a Green House gas that contributes to Global Warming.....The pollutant crap is a denier trick that stupid people use to prove they are stupid!!!

The most perfidious way of harming a cause consists of defending it deliberately with faulty arguments.
Friedrich Nietzsche (1844 - 1900), The Gay Science, section 191


The excess carbon dioxide in our atmosphere is a pollutant.
If you have to much of anything in the wrong place that is causing damage it is a pollutant.


That seems to have been disproven.

In fact, we were threatened with droughts and excessive heat.

This has not occurred in the past fifteen years,
in fact, this summer has been the coldest and wettest of my memory.

We can't be breaking records in the wrong direction to make your theory stick,  mate.

Even a bright 7 year old would not believe that the globe is warming, in fact, warming would be preferable to the opposite worry. . .er. . . a mini ice age!



You might want to get that memory checked.
Were only a few years out of a decade long drought, Canberra, South east Qld had water restrictions, in fact can recall Melbourne gardeners bitching their plants and lawns were dying because they too had allocated times for watering.

Look up El Nino and La Nina

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In 2011, on a global scale, La Niña events helped keep the average global temperature below recent trends. As a result, 2011 tied with 1997 for the 11th warmest year on record. It was the second coolest year of the 21st century to date, and tied with the second warmest year of the 20th century. A relatively strong phase of La Niña opened the year, dissipated in the spring before re-emerging in October and lasted through the end of the year. When compared to previous La Niña years, the 2011 global surface temperature was the warmest observed. The 2011 globally-averaged precipitation over land was the second wettest year on record, behind 2010. Precipitation varied greatly across the globe. La Niña contributed to severe drought in the Horn of Africa and to Australia’s third wettest year in its 112-year period of record. [8]


Yes Left out this
It was the second coolest year of the 21st century to date

Because a sample of 11 years and 5 weeks is too small, then again that 1 sentence suits your argument so I imagine you believe its the most important and only truthful thing written
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Reply #44 - Feb 11th, 2012 at 4:49pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 1:06pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 12:54pm:
Gillard breaks CORE promise tho. Im not sure how you think that is an improvement!


I think one was probably non core if you consider that there was always going to be a price put on carbon.

However you are right Gillards performance in this area has been disgracefull even at about 10% of the Howard standard.


if you think the 'no carbon tax' was a non-core promise, then your credibility is shredded.
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