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Reply #46 - Feb 13^th, 2012 at 7:41pm

Lestat wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 4:21pm:

Baron,

Why do you always move the goal posts when your lies are exposed...time and time again.

You quite clearly stated that Einstein was an athiest. I have provided you a quote where he quite clearly states 'I AM NOT AN ATHIEST'.

Not sure how much more clearer it can be. Now that your lie has been exposed...you slightly shift the goal posts...and claim he is 'agnostic'...or not 'religous'.

But you didn't say that...did you. No..you quite clearly stated that he was an athiest.

Secondly, he did believe in God, and has stated so publicly...many times. Do you really want me to make you look the fool a second time?

So Einstien rejected his native Judism and Christianity. So what...I can understand why? Anyone with a semblence of logic would reject these two pagan cults. Its no surprise whatsoever. However, to claim that he is an athiest when he is not...is just outright misleading.

Besides...I suggest you read the very quotes from Einstein you posted. It appears clearly, that he rejects the idea of a 'personal God'. He states so quite clearly.

Quote:

The idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I am unable to take seriously.”

Egypt and Iraq were both secular nations, yet it doesn't stop you labelling them as muslim.

Guantanemo ring a bell?

Do you even know what an agnostic is lestat?

Tom Huxley came up with the term,he was an associate of Charles Darwin.

Demographic research services normally do not differentiate between various types of non religious respondants so agnostics end up in the same category as atheists
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism#Defining_agnosticism
Agnostics get counted with atheists as having No religion.

What does Islam say about atheism Lestat?
The atheist who does good deeds is worse than the one who kills his mother and takes care of dogs
http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/10300/atheist

Please cite where i have called Iraq or Egypt under Saddam-Mubarek muslim countries!

Fidel Castro rents Guantanamo bay to the USA for $1 per year.
He has never cashed the rent cheques.
Did Cuba sign the UDHR?

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Reply #47 - Feb 14^th, 2012 at 9:38am

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 7:41pm:

Lestat wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 4:21pm:

Baron,

Why do you always move the goal posts when your lies are exposed...time and time again.

You quite clearly stated that Einstein was an athiest. I have provided you a quote where he quite clearly states 'I AM NOT AN ATHIEST'.

Not sure how much more clearer it can be. Now that your lie has been exposed...you slightly shift the goal posts...and claim he is 'agnostic'...or not 'religous'.

But you didn't say that...did you. No..you quite clearly stated that he was an athiest.

Secondly, he did believe in God, and has stated so publicly...many times. Do you really want me to make you look the fool a second time?

So Einstien rejected his native Judism and Christianity. So what...I can understand why? Anyone with a semblence of logic would reject these two pagan cults. Its no surprise whatsoever. However, to claim that he is an athiest when he is not...is just outright misleading.

Besides...I suggest you read the very quotes from Einstein you posted. It appears clearly, that he rejects the idea of a 'personal God'. He states so quite clearly.

Quote:

The idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I am unable to take seriously.”

Egypt and Iraq were both secular nations, yet it doesn't stop you labelling them as muslim.

Guantanemo ring a bell?

Do you even know what an agnostic is lestat?

Tom Huxley came up with the term,he was an associate of Charles Darwin.

Demographic research services normally do not differentiate between various types of non religious respondants so agnostics end up in the same category as atheists
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism#Defining_agnosticism
Agnostics get counted with atheists as having No religion.

What does Islam say about atheism Lestat?
The atheist who does good deeds is worse than the one who kills his mother and takes care of dogs
http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/10300/atheist

Please cite where i have called Iraq or Egypt under Saddam-Mubarek muslim countries!

Fidel Castro rents Guantanamo bay to the USA for $1 per year.
He has never cashed the rent cheques.
Did Cuba sign the UDHR?

lol...yes I know what an agnostic is...do you? I think not.

Many agnostic..though rejecting religon, believe in a higher being. A higher spirit...many believe in a God, just do not accept religon. Many don't.

The very term..'agnostic' means 'people who knew'.

Einstien himself said many times he believes in a higher being....a creator...it was the 'personal God' concept which he very much rejected. A concept which is very much Christian.

To now claim that agnostics and athiests are the same, which they are not, is laughable. To claim that 'Tom Huxley' came up with the term is even more laughable.

Have you ever heard of Arians? Or the Mandeans? Both considered Gnostics...and they existed long before Tom Huxley.

I suggest you do some reading, instead of just cut and pasting links that you think support your narrow ignorant views.

Besides, its irrelevant...why are you even now mentioning 'agnostic'.

You said that Einstein was an athiest. You didn't say he was agnostic...you said he was an athiest.

You only starting going on about him being agnostic when you were quite clearly shown to be a douche bag.

Are you denying that you stated that Einstein was an athiest? You didn't say agnostic did you...you said 'athiest'.

Do you now admit that he was not athiest?

Numerous times you attack Islam using examples from countries that are not muslim, but are secular and/or monarchies. When Abu and Falah highlight this to you, that these countries to not govern by islamic law, and are not Islamic states...you are the first to whine about their claims.

Yet now you are doing the very same thing.

Oh...and by the way, Guantanemo Bay is a US military base, and is considered to be US soil. Those prisoners who are abused and tortured are under US supervision.

So tell me ... Did the US sigh the UDHR?

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Reply #48 - Feb 14^th, 2012 at 10:54am

falah wrote on Feb 12^th, 2012 at 7:13pm:

This might be a bit complicated for you, but America is a secular state with an overwhelming Christian majority electorate who vote Christian presidents to determine their foreign policy.

Would you classify Mormon as Christian? Many Christians, especially in the US, would not.

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Reply #49 - Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:00am

Lestat wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 9:38am:

To now claim that agnostics and athiests are the same, which they are not, is laughable. To claim that 'Tom Huxley' came up with the term is even more laughable.

I'm not getting into the argument about Einstein. The way that God existed for Einstein is different from the way God exists for you and the way God exists for me. If we're talking about Gods with three different sets of attributes, the terms atheist and Theist don't convey much intelligence. I'd stick to Muslim in your case. "Muslim" and "Christian" are at least well defined whereas "Theist" is a bit wooly because God (Allah) outside the major religions is not adequately defined.

Here is a chart that I find useful. Agnostic is centred on knowledge and atheist is centred on belief - not that I use such terms much myself.

White = yes, Black = no and grey = grey. Grin

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Reply #50 - Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:13am

Lestat wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 9:38am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 7:41pm:

Lestat wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 4:21pm:

Baron,

Why do you always move the goal posts when your lies are exposed...time and time again.

You quite clearly stated that Einstein was an athiest. I have provided you a quote where he quite clearly states 'I AM NOT AN ATHIEST'.

Not sure how much more clearer it can be. Now that your lie has been exposed...you slightly shift the goal posts...and claim he is 'agnostic'...or not 'religous'.

But you didn't say that...did you. No..you quite clearly stated that he was an athiest.

Secondly, he did believe in God, and has stated so publicly...many times. Do you really want me to make you look the fool a second time?

So Einstien rejected his native Judism and Christianity. So what...I can understand why? Anyone with a semblence of logic would reject these two pagan cults. Its no surprise whatsoever. However, to claim that he is an athiest when he is not...is just outright misleading.

Besides...I suggest you read the very quotes from Einstein you posted. It appears clearly, that he rejects the idea of a 'personal God'. He states so quite clearly.

Quote:

The idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I am unable to take seriously.”

Egypt and Iraq were both secular nations, yet it doesn't stop you labelling them as muslim.

Guantanemo ring a bell?

Do you even know what an agnostic is lestat?

Tom Huxley came up with the term,he was an associate of Charles Darwin.

Demographic research services normally do not differentiate between various types of non religious respondants so agnostics end up in the same category as atheists
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism#Defining_agnosticism
Agnostics get counted with atheists as having No religion.

What does Islam say about atheism Lestat?
The atheist who does good deeds is worse than the one who kills his mother and takes care of dogs
http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/10300/atheist

Please cite where i have called Iraq or Egypt under Saddam-Mubarek muslim countries!

Fidel Castro rents Guantanamo bay to the USA for $1 per year.
He has never cashed the rent cheques.
Did Cuba sign the UDHR?

lol...yes I know what an agnostic is...do you? I think not.

Many agnostic..though rejecting religon, believe in a higher being. A higher spirit...many believe in a God, just do not accept religon. Many don't.

The very term..'agnostic' means 'people who knew'.

Einstien himself said many times it was the 'personal God' concept which he very much rejected.

To now claim that agnostics and athiests are the same, which they are not, is laughable. To claim that 'Tom Huxley' came up with the term is even more laughable.

Have you ever heard of Arians? Or the Mandeans? Both considered Gnostics...and they existed long before Tom Huxley.

Besides, its irrelevant...why are you even now mentioning 'agnostic'.

You said that Einstein was an athiest. You didn't say he was agnostic...you said he was an athiest.

Are you denying that you stated that Einstein was an athiest? You didn't say agnostic did you...you said 'athiest'.

Numerous times you attack Islam using examples from countries that are not muslim, but are secular and/or monarchies.

Oh...and by the way, Guantanemo Bay is a US military base, and is considered to be US soil.

You have shown your ignorance with agnostics by comparing "gnostics" with the term first used by Tom Huxley in 1869 called "agnostic".
Read this Lestat-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Henry_Huxley
Quote:

Thomas henry Huxley was an English biologist,Known as Darwin's bulldog for his advocacy of Darwin's theory of evolution

The first Agnostic,the man who invented the word believed in evolution which contradicts religion.
Your definition of agnostic is a load of codswallop i suggest you look it up in a dictionary instead of doing the muslim thing in trying to redefine words.

Einstein did not believe in the god that is found in religous holy books did he,he thought religion was all bullshit so that makes him a non believer in religion.

Lestat many people say they are atheist towards religion yet agnostic about god so are they atheist or agnostic or a combination of both?

In our recent census did it say tick no religion if you have no religion or were there separate boxes for atheist and agnostic?

When we look at Irreligion in Australia are atheists and agnostics in the same category of No Religion?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion_in_Australia
Those with 'No Religion" are the fastest growing demographic of all the religous options in Australia.

Would you have been happier if i said Einstein thought religion was a load of bullshit?

The reality is you have your panties in a twist over what label to give someone who thinks religion is all bullshit - you are totally ignorant about agnostics as well as atheists i suggest you do some research on these try wiki instead of your imam.

Please cite where i called Saddam -Mubarek with Egypt and Iraqs muslim countries i think you have mistaken me for someone else.

How can the UDHR work in a country that has not signed it?
IMO they should have called them POW then they could hold them till the end of the war,this war on terror could go for a long time.

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Reply #51 - Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:39am

muso wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:00am:

Here is a chart that I find useful. Agnostic is centred on knowledge and atheist is centred on belief - not that I use such terms much myself.

Atheist is disbelief in the existence of god (as defined in holy books,who else defines god?) it has nothing to do with belief.

If someone says Porcine animals will become aerodynamic is that a belief?
If someone replies "No they wont, too fat, too heavy, no wings there is nothing to indicate this could be possible" Is that a belief or a simple rejection of the hypothesis based on facts?

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Reply #52 - Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:44am

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:39am:

muso wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:00am:

Here is a chart that I find useful. Agnostic is centred on knowledge and atheist is centred on belief - not that I use such terms much myself.

Atheist is disbelief in the existence of god (as defined in holy books,who else defines god?) it has nothing to do with belief.

If someone says Porcine animals will become aerodynamic is that a belief?
If someone replies "No they wont, too fat, too heavy, no wings there is nothing to indicate this could be possible" Is that a belief or a simple rejection of the hypothesis based on facts?

Yep - Isn't that what the chart says? Pure atheism answers "no" to the question of Belief in God(s)

Agnostic atheists also answer no, but add that they don't know for sure.

Agnostic Theists say that they don't know for sure, but they happen to believe in God.

Who else defines God? Einstein? me? - anybody who wants to.

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Reply #53 - Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:50am

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:39am:

If someone says Porcine animals will become aerodynamic is that a belief?
If someone replies "No they wont, too fat, too heavy, no wings there is nothing to indicate this could be possible" Is that a belief or a simple rejection of the hypothesis based on facts?

I just hope that there is a sense of humour here. Here goes:

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Reply #54 - Feb 14^th, 2012 at 12:26pm

muso wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:44am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:39am:

muso wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:00am:

Here is a chart that I find useful. Agnostic is centred on knowledge and atheist is centred on belief - not that I use such terms much myself.

Atheist is disbelief in the existence of god (as defined in holy books,who else defines god?) it has nothing to do with belief.

If someone says Porcine animals will become aerodynamic is that a belief?
If someone replies "No they wont, too fat, too heavy, no wings there is nothing to indicate this could be possible" Is that a belief or a simple rejection of the hypothesis based on facts?

Yep - Isn't that what the chart says? Pure atheism answers "no" to the question of Belief in God(s)

Agnostic atheists also answer no, but add that they don't know for sure.

Agnostic Theists say that they don't know for sure, but they happen to believe in God.

Who else defines God? Einstein? me? - anybody who wants to.

That chart has atheism next to religion on the side of belief which makes it wrong IMO.

The bible says the earth is flat knowledge says it isn't,Quran says http://quran.com/18/86 Read all translations for that belief.
Atheists use common knowledge to see these beliefs are false yet that chart has them on the side of belief which is why i think it is wrong.

When a muslim takes the shahada they say there is only 1 god and Mo was his messenger.
All other religions are bullshit beliefs to a muslim and any other god apart from Allah does not exist,Islam does not recognise beliefs that came after Islam because Mo was the final prophet from God.
Therefore any individual interpretation of god that is not the Islamic god Allah is bullshit according to Islam.
Islam defines God as the Allah in the Quran there is no other god according to Islam.

Start from scratch with these guys on disbelief as Lestat has shown he does not know the difference between gnostic and agnostic.

Read this to see where the average Imam is at with Atheism-
http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/10300/atheist

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Reply #55 - Feb 14^th, 2012 at 12:44pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:13am:

You have shown your ignorance with agnostics by comparing "gnostics" with the term first used by Tom Huxley in 1869 called "agnostic".
Read this Lestat-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Henry_Huxley
Quote:

Thomas henry Huxley was an English biologist,Known as Darwin's bulldog for his advocacy of Darwin's theory of evolution

The first Agnostic,the man who invented the word believed in evolution which contradicts religion.
Your definition of agnostic is a load of codswallop i suggest you look it up in a dictionary instead of doing the muslim thing in trying to redefine words.

Actually, it is you who has shown your ignorance. So what....I suggest you take your own advice and look up the definition.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/agnostic

Quote:

ag·nos·tic (g-nstk)
n.
1.
a. One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God.
b. One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.
2. One who is doubtful or noncommittal about something.

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:13am:

Einstein did not believe in the god that is found in religous holy books did he,he thought religion was all bullshit so that makes him a non believer in religion.

Oh dear...you really like digging yourself in a hole don't you.

For the upteenth time...you said quite clearly, that Einstien was an athiest.

Did you not say that? Was I imagining it? Now...in your arrogance, you just can't admit you were wrong...can you.

As I have shown you, Einstein did not believe in a personal God...he said so himself. You yourself already provided the quote where he said so. Christianity has a personal God...not 'all religons' as you put it. Then again, given your demonstrative ignorance, it doesn't surprise me that you can't grasp this concept.

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:13am:

Lestat many people say they are atheist towards religion yet agnostic about god so are they atheist or agnostic or a combination of both?

That comment makes no sense. Who says this? You say many people...name them. Tell me, who are these nameless people.

Its not rocket science...look at the definition. Athiests believe their is no God. Agnostics are not so sure. Some believe there may be, some believe thier is...but reject religon.

If someone is agnostic about God, then by the very definition, they are not athiests.

Sheesh, all this because you cannot admit you were talking tribe when you made the claim that Einstien was an athiest.

Even after I provided you a quote where he quite clearly states, definitively that "I AM NOT AN ATHIEST'.

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:13am:

In our recent census did it say tick no religion if you have no religion or were there separate boxes for atheist and agnostic?

wow...your not truly basic your whole argument on a question in the census?

Are you?

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:13am:

When we look at Irreligion in Australia are atheists and agnostics in the same category of No Religion?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion_in_Australia
Those with 'No Religion" are the fastest growing demographic of all the religous options in Australia.

But 'no religon' is not necessarily 'athiest'. It seems you can't get this through your thick head.

Alas..I suspect you already know this...but just can't admit that you were wrong when you claimed that Einstien was an athiest.

'God does not play chance'...now tell me...does that sound like something an athiest would say....given that athiests deny the existence of God completely.

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:13am:

Would you have been happier if i said Einstein thought religion was a load of bullshit?

But you didn't say that did you? You said he was an athiest. Now...will you admit you were wrong? That he is not an athiest.

C'mon...it shouldn't so hard, given that he himself quite clearly stated so.

lol...and you wonder why no takes your Abu Sina claims seriously. hehe

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:13am:

The reality is you have your panties in a twist over what label to give someone who thinks religion is all bullshit - you are totally ignorant about agnostics as well as atheists i suggest you do some research on these try wiki instead of your imam.

whoa...wait a minute. its you that gave the label, not me. I'm just highlighting that your claim was 100% incorrect.

And really...you claiming that it is I that is ignorant about agnosticism is laughable.

your the douche bag that believes and has stated that agnosticism and athiesm is the same thing.

lol...really?

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:13am:

Please cite where i called Saddam -Mubarek with Egypt and Iraqs muslim countries i think you have mistaken me for someone else.

I will remind you of this quote next time you bring it up....deal?

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:13am:

How can the UDHR work in a country that has not signed it?
IMO they should have called them POW then they could hold them till the end of the war,this war on terror could go for a long time.

So you are critical of Islam because apparently its 'incompatible with UDHR'...yet acknowledge that a country that is a signatory has bypassed the UDHR by using loop holes.

Kind of shows that the UDHR aint worth the paper its written on..if the strongest nations in the world do not even abide by it.

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Reply #56 - Feb 14^th, 2012 at 12:45pm

muso wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 10:54am:

falah wrote on Feb 12^th, 2012 at 7:13pm:

This might be a bit complicated for you, but America is a secular state with an overwhelming Christian majority electorate who vote Christian presidents to determine their foreign policy.

Would you classify Mormon as Christian? Many Christians, especially in the US, would not.

Just as many muslims, would not classify shi'ites as muslims.

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Reply #57 - Feb 14^th, 2012 at 12:46pm

muso wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:00am:

Lestat wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 9:38am:

To now claim that agnostics and athiests are the same, which they are not, is laughable. To claim that 'Tom Huxley' came up with the term is even more laughable.

I'm not getting into the argument about Einstein. The way that God existed for Einstein is different from the way God exists for you and the way God exists for me. If we're talking about Gods with three different sets of attributes, the terms atheist and Theist don't convey much intelligence. I'd stick to Muslim in your case. "Muslim" and "Christian" are at least well defined whereas "Theist" is a bit wooly because God (Allah) outside the major religions is not adequately defined.

Here is a chart that I find useful. Agnostic is centred on knowledge and atheist is centred on belief - not that I use such terms much myself.

White = yes, Black = no and grey = grey. Grin

Fair enough.

Baron made the claim that Einstien was athiest. I provided a quote directly from Einstien...where he states 'I am not an athiest'.

I never claimed that Einstien believed in the same God as me...I never made any claim about what Einstien did or did not believe. It was Baron who made the claim...I corrected him.

It is he then who claims that athiesm and agnosticism is the same thing.

I know very well the difference between the two. He does not (though I suspect he does, he is just struggling to admit he was wrong).

I have many friends who are agnostics. They believe in a God, don't really know what His nature is, etc, etc..but they believe there is, in their words 'something out there'. They reject religon completely. They are agnostics.

I know others who completely reject the concept of God. Don't believe in any God, or higher being at all. They are athiests.

As I said earlier...to claim that someone who believes in a God is an athiest is ludicrous.

And he has the gual to claim I don't know what agnosticism is. lol

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Reply #58 - Feb 14^th, 2012 at 12:53pm

muso wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:50am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:39am:

If someone says Porcine animals will become aerodynamic is that a belief?
If someone replies "No they wont, too fat, too heavy, no wings there is nothing to indicate this could be possible" Is that a belief or a simple rejection of the hypothesis based on facts?

I just hope that there is a sense of humour here. Here goes:

http://www.freakingnews.com/Pictures/2/Airlines-Security.jpg

That might stop the zionists from boarding planes...but how do you suggest we stop them from dropping bombs on innocent children?

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Reply #59 - Feb 14^th, 2012 at 12:56pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 12:26pm:

muso wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:44am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:39am:

muso wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:00am:

Here is a chart that I find useful. Agnostic is centred on knowledge and atheist is centred on belief - not that I use such terms much myself.

Atheist is disbelief in the existence of god (as defined in holy books,who else defines god?) it has nothing to do with belief.

If someone says Porcine animals will become aerodynamic is that a belief?
If someone replies "No they wont, too fat, too heavy, no wings there is nothing to indicate this could be possible" Is that a belief or a simple rejection of the hypothesis based on facts?

Yep - Isn't that what the chart says? Pure atheism answers "no" to the question of Belief in God(s)

Agnostic atheists also answer no, but add that they don't know for sure.

Agnostic Theists say that they don't know for sure, but they happen to believe in God.

Who else defines God? Einstein? me? - anybody who wants to.

That chart has atheism next to religion on the side of belief which makes it wrong IMO.

The bible says the earth is flat knowledge says it isn't,Quran says http://quran.com/18/86 Read all translations for that belief.
Atheists use common knowledge to see these beliefs are false yet that chart has them on the side of belief which is why i think it is wrong.

When a muslim takes the shahada they say there is only 1 god and Mo was his messenger.
All other religions are bullshit beliefs to a muslim and any other god apart from Allah does not exist,Islam does not recognise beliefs that came after Islam because Mo was the final prophet from God.
Therefore any individual interpretation of god that is not the Islamic god Allah is bullshit according to Islam.
Islam defines God as the Allah in the Quran there is no other god according to Islam.

Start from scratch with these guys on disbelief as Lestat has shown he does not know the difference between gnostic and agnostic.

Read this to see where the average Imam is at with Atheism-
http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/10300/atheist

Yeah...so? I never said that I believe Einstien is religous. Did I? I never said he was muslim. Did I?>

It was you that stated he was an athiest.

Yes I believe Einstien was a disbeliever. I never denied it. However...he did not see himself as an athiest. And you claimed he did.

You were wrong...now deal with it. Cheesy

Where do you think the term 'agnostic' is derived from...you douche bag.

Lol...you have no idea.

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