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Reply #15 - Feb 10th, 2012 at 10:03pm
 
Annie Anthrax wrote on Feb 10th, 2012 at 9:30pm:
Roll Eyes

Pay no attention to Soren. He might be in his early 60s, but he's still going through a very long puberty.




AT least nobody can say that I married a Lebanese Muslim - and then left Islam.
How discombobulated is that?


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Reply #16 - Feb 10th, 2012 at 10:09pm
 
I have been called discombobulating before, but never discombobulated.




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Reply #17 - Feb 10th, 2012 at 10:11pm
 
Annie Anthrax wrote on Feb 10th, 2012 at 10:09pm:
I have been called discombobulating before, but never discombobulated.







They have been trying to hide it from you. But now you now. You are discombobulated. (In Old English = ditzy).

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Reply #18 - Feb 10th, 2012 at 10:16pm
 
Soren wrote on Feb 10th, 2012 at 10:11pm:
They have been trying to hide it from you. But now you now



Now I now?

No wonder I'm confused/ing.
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Reply #19 - Feb 10th, 2012 at 10:24pm
 
Annie Anthrax wrote on Feb 10th, 2012 at 10:16pm:
Soren wrote on Feb 10th, 2012 at 10:11pm:
They have been trying to hide it from you. But now you know



Now I now?

Now wonder I'm confused/ing.



I can correct my typos. You can't correct your ditz.


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Reply #20 - Feb 10th, 2012 at 10:29pm
 
You remind me of Enid Blyton, mighty son of Odin.
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Reply #21 - Feb 10th, 2012 at 10:41pm
 
Annie Anthrax wrote on Feb 10th, 2012 at 10:29pm:
You remind me of Enid Blyton, mighty son of Odin.


You prove that it is not beyond a ditz to think of Enid.

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Reply #22 - Feb 11th, 2012 at 1:14am
 
More stuff on those well loved to death Copts in Egypt


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(AINA) -- National and international rights groups have consistently criticized the recourse to the so-called "reconciliation meetings" -- dubbed "Bedouin sittings" -- that take place between Copts and Muslim assailant after every attack on Copts. The meetings are conducted under the auspices of state security. Last week a series of meetings were held by radical Muslims to decide on the fate of the Copts in a village in Alexandria, and Muslims insisted that the whole Coptic population of 62 families must be deported because of an unsubstantiated accusation levied against one Coptic man.

Copts in the village of Kobry-el-Sharbat (El-Ameriya), Alexandria, were attacked on January 27 by a mob of 3000 Muslims led by Salafi leaders, who looted and torched homes and shops belonging to Copts. The violence was prompted by allegations made by a Muslim barber named Toemah that a 34-year-old Coptic tailor, Mourad Samy Guirgis, had on his mobile phone illicit photos of a Muslim woman. Mourad denied the accusation and surrendered to the police for fear for his life. Muslims looted and torched his workshop and home after he surrendered to the police, and his entire family, including his parents and his married brother Romany, were evicted from the village. He is still in police detention. (AINA 1-28-2012).

Three "reconciliation meetings" were held at the El-Ameriya village police headquarters. They were attended by Salafi and Muslim Brotherhood representatives from neighboring villages, as well as church representative. Muslims demanded the eviction of all Coptic inhabitants from the village because "Muslim honour had been damaged."

Many believe that the mobile phone story was fabricated as an excuse to start violence against the Copts. According to the police, the woman in question denied the story and no photos were found on Mourad's mobile phone, according to Ihab Aziz, a Coptic-American activist who is presently in Egypt.

During the first reconciliation meeting it was agreed that only Copts who were directly involved with the Mourad incident would be evicted, and the church demanded compensation of two million pounds for the innocent Copts whose homes and businesses were torched on January 27. Muslims, especially Salafis from the neighboring villages, refused any kind of compensation and insisted on the eviction of all Copts.

On January 30 a Muslim mob attacked Copts in Kobry-el-Sharbat for the second time, and torched three Coptic homes in the presence of the security forces, "which took the role of an onlooker and made no effort to stop the violence," according to Joseph Malak, lawyer for the Coptic church in Alexandria. "This proves that the assailants were not afraid of the security forces or the law."

Muslim representatives demanded the eviction of the wealthy Coptic merchant Abeskhayroun Soliman, together with his four married sons and their families, accusing them of causing sedition by shooting in the air when Muslims broke into and torched their home while the family was inside. "No one was wounded due to the alleged shootings, which the family says never took place. The police authorities issued an arrest warrant for two of the Soliman sons," said Ihab Aziz.

The Solimans have been in hiding with a Muslim family which saved them from their burning homes, and is presently giving them protection. Muslims threatened that if eight Coptic families were not evicted by February 3rd, all remaining 54 Coptic families in the village would be subjected to violence after Friday prayers. They called it "Friday of Eviction" and "Friday of Clean-up."

On Wednesday February 1, a hastily organized reconciliation meeting was arranged by security authorities, and was attended by Ebeskharion Soliman and one of his sons.

The terms of the agreement which resulted were:


eviction of eight Coptic families, namely three of the Mourad families, in addition to five Soliman families.
selling of the assets of the wealthy Abeskhayron Soliman family within three months by a committee, under the supervision of Salafi shaikh Sherif el Hawary. Soliman has no right to get involved in the sale or even accompany a prospective buyer.
the Committee is to collect any money accrued from the sale of his land, properties, businesses as well as collect promissory notes pending from business transactions by the Soliman-owned chain of stores.
in case of non-implementation of this Agreement, all Copts in the Kobry-el-Sharbat village will be attacked, their homes and property completely torched.

Abeskhayron Soliman signed the agreement, which most Copts viewed as "humiliating."

Father Boktor, who attended the meeting, described the reconciliation agreement as "utter injustice."

Wissa Fawzi, member of the Maspero Coptic Youth Union in Alexandria, said that Soliman has nothing at all to do with the Mourad story, but signed the agreement to save his family and the Copts in the village, "otherwise there would have been a massacre of the Copts on that Friday." He said that Security authorities pressured Soliman into accepting the terms of the agreement by threatening him with refusal of police protection for him and his family. "What constitutes the real crisis is the complicity of security officials in the process of displacement," said Fawzi.

Copts in Kobry-el-Sharbat were stunned after hearing the news of the eviction of the "top Copt" in their community, whose wealth is estimated at more than 20,000,000 Egyptian pounds. "There is a feeling of humiliation and being completely under the mercy of the radical Muslims," said Rami Khashfa of the Alexandria Maspero Youth Union "they are terrorized and are scared of the future. Copts in the neighboring villages are also scared." He said that Copts in the village are thinking of moving elsewhere.

Speaking on US-based Christian TV channel Al-Karma, Magdy Khalil, head of the Middle East Freedom Forum, said that reconciliation meetings made up of Salafis and members of the Muslim Brotherhood, and arranged by security officials are illegal and forced eviction is one of the crimes under international law. "Who gave them the right to form a committee headed by a Salafi to sell Christian property? This is thuggery and blatant targeting of Copts."

Khalil called on the Coptic Melli Council, which is the civilian body that represents Copts in the Egyptian State, to protest this agreement and ask for the return of the Copts to their homes. "If we accept it, this will open the door for an avalanche of forced evictions." He believes that radical Muslim have a bigger plan they hope to achieve by terrorizing the Copts, namely displacing and dispersing them from places with high Coptic population density, taking their property and weakening them economically.

Ihab Aziz, like many others, believes that "Coptic capital" is targeted everywhere in Egypt. He said that members of the Egyptian parliament have been made aware of the El-Ameriya forced displacement, and the issue will be brought before parliament shortly.

By Mary Abdelmassih

http://www.aina.org/news/20120208194830.htm
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Reply #23 - Feb 11th, 2012 at 1:26am
 
muso wrote on Feb 10th, 2012 at 1:44pm:
I was chatting to a friend of mine in Egypt about the situation over there. She's a Coptic journalist. She used to work for BBC Arab Service. I made the comment that now that the elections are over she must feel a lot safer. She had been telling me before about the police brutality and how a friend of hers was torured.

Her reaction was "Nooo - It's terrible here - worse now that ever. The country is in a real mess. Pray for Egypt."

I just hope she keeps safe.



I'm not one of these Muslim bashers, so please bear that in mind.




- and I agree that Copts never used to suffer any discrimination.




muso,

I know that God WILL bear that in mind.

He, by the means of his spirit, is keeping tabs on all of us.

Monitoring our choices, and paying attention to our motives for those choices.




Psalms 15:1
LORD, who shall abide in thy tabernacle? who shall dwell in thy holy hill?
2  He that walketh uprightly, and worketh righteousness, and speaketh the truth in his heart.
3  He that backbiteth not with his tongue, nor doeth evil to his neighbour, nor taketh up a reproach against his neighbour.
In whose eyes a vile person is contemned; but he honoureth them that fear the LORD. He that sweareth to his own hurt, and changeth not.
5  He that putteth not out his money to usury, nor taketh reward against the innocent. He that doeth these things shall never be moved.


Luke 9:24
For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.


John 12:25
He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.
26  If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.


1 Chronicles 28:9
And thou, Solomon my son, know thou the God of thy father, and serve him with a perfect heart and with a willing mind: for the LORD searcheth all hearts, and understandeth all the imaginations of the thoughts: if thou seek him, he will be found of thee; but if thou forsake him, he will cast thee off for ever.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Reply #24 - Feb 11th, 2012 at 8:46am
 
Soren wrote on Feb 10th, 2012 at 10:41pm:
Annie Anthrax wrote on Feb 10th, 2012 at 10:29pm:
You remind me of Enid Blyton, mighty son of Odin.


You prove that it is not beyond a ditz to think of Enid.



Careful. On this forum, you need to get married before you show such affection.  Wink
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Reply #25 - Feb 11th, 2012 at 8:51am
 
Adamant wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 1:14am:
More stuff on those well loved to death Copts in Egypt



For what it's worth, Syrian Christians are extremely worried that Islamists will take over Syria. At least they get respect and tolerance from the current regime. There is concern that the situation will become like that in Egypt.

In Egypt, the problem right now is lawlessness. Pure and simple.
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Reply #26 - Feb 11th, 2012 at 9:26am
 
muso wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 8:51am:
Adamant wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 1:14am:
More stuff on those well loved to death Copts in Egypt



For what it's worth, Syrian Christians are extremely worried that Islamists will take over Syria. At least they get respect and tolerance from the current regime. There is concern that the situation will become like that in Egypt.

In Egypt, the problem right now is lawlessness. Pure and simple.





ISLAM 'legitimises' lawlessness [the lawlessness of moslems].   .....pure and simple.



Google,
islam, lawlessness



But muso, is happy, not to criticise moslems and ISLAM.

Because muso, like so many today, is a 'tolerant' person.





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TOLERANCE OF EVIL

"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them."

Karl Popper


"Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil."

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #27 - Feb 11th, 2012 at 10:32am
 
muso wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 8:51am:
Adamant wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 1:14am:
More stuff on those well loved to death Copts in Egypt



For what it's worth, Syrian Christians are extremely worried that Islamists will take over Syria. At least they get respect and tolerance from the current regime. There is concern that the situation will become like that in Egypt.

In Egypt, the problem right now is lawlessness. Pure and simple.


But persecution against Muslims is ignored by people like you. Only a few days a go a Muslim restaurant in melbourne was raided by Syrian Alawites who robbed the store terrorised staff with knives whilst shouting support for president Al-Assad. They even stole driving licenses of the staff.

If these Alawite thugs will even target Muslims in Australia, how much is the persecution of muslims actually inside Syria?
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Reply #28 - Feb 11th, 2012 at 10:59am
 
falah wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 10:32am:
But persecution against Muslims is ignored by people like you. Only a few days a go a Muslim restaurant in melbourne was raided by Syrian Alawites who robbed the store terrorised staff with knives whilst shouting support for president Al-Assad. They even stole driving licenses of the staff.

If these Alawite thugs will even target Muslims in Australia, how much is the persecution of muslims actually inside Syria?


What do you expect us to to when shia muslims persecute sunni muslims or when sunni muslims persecute shia muslims?
Pehaps we should stop immigration from backward cultures that follow the ideology of a 7th century tribal warlord.

If Islam is the religion of peace then explain this sectarian bloodshed in Islam that started around 1400 years ago with the battle of the camel,what is the bodycount from this sectarian violence between muslims we know it is not zero yet that number shows how much attention muslims pay to this statistic while spruiking off with  their judeophobia.

Not a word from muslims about how they persecute the Ahmadi muslims,Abdus Salam won the first nobel prize in science for a muslim yet because he was an ahmadithey removed the word "muslim" from his grave.

Pakistan massacre minority muslims from the ahmadi sect-
http://www.hrw.org/news/2010/06/01/pakistan-massacre-minority-ahmadis

The Ahmadi have their own website they outline the persecution they suffer from mainstream Islam-
http://www.thepersecution.org
Falah you are a hypocrite your belief is responsible for this persecution.

In Indonesia Ahmadi were killed after this friday prayer where the Imam says it is ok to kill the Ahmadi,their blood is halal.


What do you say about that imam saying it is halal to kill the ahmadi falah?

I bet you dont answer that question
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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.
 
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Reply #29 - Feb 11th, 2012 at 11:11am
 
falah wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 10:32am:
muso wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 8:51am:
Adamant wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 1:14am:
More stuff on those well loved to death Copts in Egypt



For what it's worth, Syrian Christians are extremely worried that Islamists will take over Syria. At least they get respect and tolerance from the current regime. There is concern that the situation will become like that in Egypt.

In Egypt, the problem right now is lawlessness. Pure and simple.


But persecution against Muslims is ignored by people like you. Only a few days a go a Muslim restaurant in melbourne was raided by Syrian Alawites who robbed the store terrorised staff with knives whilst shouting support for president Al-Assad. They even stole driving licenses of the staff.

If these Alawite thugs will even target Muslims in Australia, how much is the persecution of muslims actually inside Syria?


Persecution is right across the board in Syria. I don't know what you mean by people "like me". I have a number of valued friends across the world, some of whom are Muslim. I would hate for anything to happen to them. I also exchange Eid cards every year with some in Kenya and Tanzania. I don't condone persecution in any shape or form.

In Egypt, it's not about religion. There is total anarchy, and those who fought for freedom under the Mubarrak regime were being arrested and beaten up by the police, and were labelled as thugs or beltagia. Their actual religion has no bearing on this. Copts and Muslims actually united in that fight.

Please don't tar me with the same brush as others.
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