... wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 1:06pm:


Well it's not hard to work out Honky. I'd rather you applied yourself to working this out on your own.

''There is no justification for honour killings, domestic violence and misogyny in Islam,'' said the religious order issued by the Islamic Supreme Council of Canada and signed by 34 imams from Canada and the US.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 1:06pm:


Nice idea in theory, except that the US-backed puppet regimes have been spending decades silencing imams.

For example, the Saudi sheikh I quoted giving the fatwa against honour killings has been banned from giving fatwas by the Saudi government due to pressure from the US.

If you want to understand the Islamic forces that are gaining strength in Egypt and scaring people here and abroad, let me tell you about my dinner in the home of Muslim Brotherhood activists.

First, meet my hostess: Sondos Asem, a 24-year-old woman who is pretty much the opposite of the stereotypical bearded Brotherhood activist. Sondos is a middle-class graduate of the American University in Cairo, where I studied in the early 1980s (“that’s before I was born,” she said wonderingly, making me feel particularly decrepit).

She speaks perfect English, is writing a master’s thesis on social media, and helps run the Brotherhood’s English-language Twitter feed, @Ikhwanweb.

The Muslim Brotherhood has emerged as the dominant political party in parliamentary voting because of people like Sondos and her family. My interviews with supporters suggest that the Brotherhood is far more complex than the caricature that scares many Americans.

Sondos rails at the Western presumption that the Muslim Brotherhood would oppress women. She notes that her own mother, Manal Abul Hassan, is one of many female Muslim Brotherhood-affiliated candidates running for Parliament.


“It’s a big misconception that the Muslim Brotherhood marginalizes women,” Sondos said. “Fifty percent of the Brotherhood are women.”

I told Sondos that Westerners are fearful partly because they have watched the authorities oppress women in the name of Islam in countries such as Saudi Arabia, Iran and Afghanistan.

“I don’t think Egypt can ever be compared to Saudi Arabia or Iran or Afghanistan,” she replied. “We, as Egyptians, are religiously very moderate.” A much better model for Egypt, she said, is Turkey, where an Islamic party is presiding over an economic boom.

I asked about female circumcision, also called female genital mutilation, which is inflicted on the overwhelming majority of girls in Egypt. It is particularly common in conservative religious households and, to its credit, the Mubarak government made some effort to stop the practice. Many worry that a more democratic government won’t challenge a practice that has broad support.

“The Muslim Brotherhood is against the brutal practice of female circumcision,” Sondos said bluntly. She insisted that women over all would benefit from Brotherhood policies that focus on the poor: “We believe that a solution of women’s problems in Egyptian society is to solve the real causes, which are illiteracy, poverty and lack of education.”

Well, things are changing and, by the looks of it, for the better. The MB in Egypt would have to be against honour killings and FGM, I would think. Not so sure about those Salafis.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 1:51pm:


Do you even know what a salafi is? The fatwa I posted against "honour" killings was from an orthodox Salafi scholar. FGM is not even practiced amongst the native Saudis who mostly follow Orthodox salafi islam.

If a muslimah dates a non muslim man is she considered an apostate?

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Ibn al-Sabbaagh said in al-Shaamil: What is obligatory in the case of a man is to cut the skin on the tip of the penis until the entire glans becomes visible. In the case of a woman, it means cutting the skin that looks like the comb of a rooster at the top of the vagina (clitoral hood), between the two labia; if it is cut the base of it (the clitoris) should be left like a date pit. 

Al-Nawawi said:

The well-known correct view is that everything covering the (clitoral or penile) glans must be cut.

Al-Majmoo’, 1/351

Al-Juwayni said: 

The hadeeth indicates that not too much of it should be removed (in the case of women), because he said, “Leave something sticking out and do not go to extremes in cutting.”
http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/9412

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Funnily enough, the same things happens to a penis. Let's cut those off too.