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Re: The Green's argument for no punishment?
Reply #15 - Feb 7th, 2012 at 1:04pm
 
Life_goes_on wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 1:00pm:
Another misleading topic title from our resident flag waving retard.

So they aren't actually arguing for no punishment, but rather an end to mandatory minimum sentences for people smuggling?

Goodo then. Mandatory minimum sentences for any crime suck dog's balls. Sentencing should always be at a judge's discretion.


LOL, no it shouldn't...not given the judges we currently have...
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Reply #16 - Feb 7th, 2012 at 1:18pm
 
Judges usually get the sentencing right. If they don't then the sentence can be appealed by the DPP. That the DPP rarely appeal sentences indicates that based upon the given sentencing guidelines, they usually give the appropriate sentencing.

Basing sentencing on "what you reckon" based upon media reports is pointless. To make a halfway educated judgement you'd need to have either attended the trial and sentencing or to have read the transcript of both.
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Re: The Green's argument for no punishment?
Reply #17 - Feb 7th, 2012 at 2:13pm
 
Life_goes_on wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 1:00pm:
Another misleading topic title from our resident flag waving retard.

So they aren't actually arguing for no punishment, but rather an end to mandatory minimum sentences for people smuggling?

Goodo then. Mandatory minimum sentences for any crime suck dog's balls. Sentencing should always be at a judge's discretion.


Exactly.

Mandatory sentencing is the worrying issue here.
By all means have some form of punishment, however, we must still allow judges and magistrates to interpret the sentence according to the circumstances of the offence and the offender.

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Reply #18 - Feb 7th, 2012 at 2:57pm
 
We want a system where there is no place for control freaks, dictators and corruption in Government.  We dont want the corrupt manipulating the levers of power to rob us economically or violate our free will.  The political class is not allowed to use power and force through the state illegitimately for economic reasons or class persecution.  Any member guilty of using political power against a citizen for the purpose of social engineering should be stripped from office and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.  We need a crack down on political and corporate corruption of power. Cool
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Reply #19 - Feb 7th, 2012 at 3:14pm
 
Life_goes_on wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 1:18pm:
Judges usually get the sentencing right. If they don't then the sentence can be appealed by the DPP. That the DPP rarely appeal sentences indicates that based upon the given sentencing guidelines, they usually give the appropriate sentencing.

Basing sentencing on "what you reckon" based upon media reports is pointless. To make a halfway educated judgement you'd need to have either attended the trial and sentencing or to have read the transcript of both.



Yeah but there's a lot who don't.....Pat O'Shane in NSW springs to mind....She seems to think that anything the police say is wrong...Her latest was a guy who ran a red light, in front of a police car, but he wasn't 'guilty'....
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Reply #20 - Feb 7th, 2012 at 3:18pm
 
Politicians like Tony Abbott, Bob Brown and JuLIAR who want to use the power of the state to play God and violate the free will of citizens have no place in a position where they can abuse that power over us.  They should resign or be moved aside by the parties. Cool
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Re: The Green's argument for no punishment?
Reply #21 - Feb 7th, 2012 at 4:53pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 3:14pm:
Life_goes_on wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 1:18pm:
Judges usually get the sentencing right. If they don't then the sentence can be appealed by the DPP. That the DPP rarely appeal sentences indicates that based upon the given sentencing guidelines, they usually give the appropriate sentencing.

Basing sentencing on "what you reckon" based upon media reports is pointless. To make a halfway educated judgement you'd need to have either attended the trial and sentencing or to have read the transcript of both.



Yeah but there's a lot who don't.....Pat O'Shane in NSW springs to mind....She seems to think that anything the police say is wrong...Her latest was a guy who ran a red light, in front of a police car, but he wasn't 'guilty'....


No, there are some that get it wrong and just like in the Pat O'Shane red light case, the DPP can appeal the decision and like in that case, have it overturned.

When it comes to sentencing, leave it up to the professionals - judges and magistrates - and not politicians who react in a knee jerk manner to perceived public opinion that is at best misinformed.

Personally, I believe that Pat O'Shane should have retired about 5 years ago.
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Re: The Green's argument for no punishment?
Reply #22 - Feb 8th, 2012 at 11:50am
 
Life_goes_on wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 1:00pm:
Another misleading topic title from our resident flag waving retard.

So they aren't actually arguing for no punishment, but rather an end to mandatory minimum sentences for people smuggling?

Goodo then. Mandatory minimum sentences for any crime suck dog's balls. Sentencing should always be at a judge's discretion.






Budi was waiting for a bus in Jakarta when he says a stranger made him an offer that was too good to refuse - 10 million rupiah (about $A1000) to crew a boat that would take a group of people to an unnamed island.

He was 19 years old, uneducated and a long way from his home on the Indonesian island of Ambon. Another man at the bus stop was offered the same deal and, like Budi, agreed without a second's hesitation.
The only catch, they were told, was that they wouldn't get paid until they came back with the boat.

What neither of them understood was that there was never any chance that the boat would make the return journey, or that they would receive the payment.
What neither could envisage, or even vaguely comprehend, was that they would wind up in an Australian jail facing a serious criminal charge with a mandatory five-year jail term.



Budi, not his real name, is an accidental people smuggler, if you accept that cooking noodles and keeping the engine going on an unseaworthy fishing boat for a group of desperate asylum seekers constitutes people smuggling. He is one of about 500 Indonesians in the Australian criminal justice system who share a common bond.

Almost all of them, according to what they have told lawyers, Indonesian officials and Australian Federal Police, are peripheral players in what, for a few Mr Bigs (who never accompany their human cargo to its final destination), is a lucrative business.

It is a sad reflection of the toxic debate between Labor and the Coalition on asylum seekers that one of the few areas of common ground is their support for legislation that denies judges any discretion in sentencing those who crew boats that carry asylum seekers to this country.



Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/small-fish-in-rough-seas-2012020...



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