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Re: The Federal Snap Election
Reply #15 - Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:22am

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:12am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:07am:

cods wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 7:54am:

does anyone really want a govt that is stuck together by independents????? groan....

That is the reality we voted for and can work very well with a slightly less obnoxious opposition and more external honesty and respect from areas like the media.

Who knows the media may be less likely to want to work so hard to destabilise a conservative government and it would be nice to see the shoe on the other foot but traditionally Labor are more genuine in opposition and tend to make decisions for the country's benefit - they typically are not an opposition of the No No No NO persuasion.

You could not argue that the Liberal opposition are not the most obstructive opposition Australia has ever had with the least concern for Australias position even worse that the Fraser opposition.

Please can someone give me a bucket

No dont fill it with water and put your head into it - You are appreciated by someone and do in fact have some value.

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Re: The Federal Snap Election
Reply #16 - Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:22am

____ wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:20am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:06am:

____ wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:02am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:00am:

____ wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 7:58am:

cods wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 7:54am:

does anyone really want a govt that is stuck together by independents????? groan....

I desire a government more reflective of Australia. A Labor or Liberal Majority is not a reflection.

A hung parliament where many have influence is.

Greens and Independents are at their best within a minority government.

Yes, that is the best they can ever expect and thanks to the failed experiment, it will not happen again.

Yet both old party leaders are more unpopular than popular. That means Australians will not reward either with majority government.

So to do this, the old parties must be put last and second to last when voting.

You have to get more politically savvy and learn to read polls. Being optimistic will not get you anywhere in politics.

25% of the voting public don't support the old parties ... this before LibLab CSG destruction of people's lives and homes in the cities of Sydney and Brisbane and states of NSW, Vic, WA and Qld ... is an election issue.

i am positive this 25% will swell towards 50%

So be optimistic then. That is your choice.

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Re: The Federal Snap Election
Reply #17 - Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:23am

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:12am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:07am:

cods wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 7:54am:

does anyone really want a govt that is stuck together by independents????? groan....

That is the reality we voted for and can work very well with a slightly less obnoxious opposition and more external honesty and respect from areas like the media.

Who knows the media may be less likely to want to work so hard to destabilise a conservative government and it would be nice to see the shoe on the other foot but traditionally Labor are more genuine in opposition and tend to make decisions for the country's benefit - they typically are not an opposition of the No No No NO persuasion.

You could not argue that the Liberal opposition are not the most obstructive opposition Australia has ever had with the least concern for Australias position even worse that the Fraser opposition.

Please can someone give me a bucket

Dnarever has a point. Liberals have taken it on themselves to be extreme in negativity in opposition.

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Re: The Federal Snap Election
Reply #18 - Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:24am

____ wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:23am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:12am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:07am:

cods wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 7:54am:

does anyone really want a govt that is stuck together by independents????? groan....

That is the reality we voted for and can work very well with a slightly less obnoxious opposition and more external honesty and respect from areas like the media.

Who knows the media may be less likely to want to work so hard to destabilise a conservative government and it would be nice to see the shoe on the other foot but traditionally Labor are more genuine in opposition and tend to make decisions for the country's benefit - they typically are not an opposition of the No No No NO persuasion.

You could not argue that the Liberal opposition are not the most obstructive opposition Australia has ever had with the least concern for Australias position even worse that the Fraser opposition.

Please can someone give me a bucket

Dnarever has a point. Liberals have taken it on themselves to be extreme in negativity in opposition.

Can't remember when Bob Brown was positive

Can't remember when Gillard was positive while in opposition

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Bill 14% is not the alcohol content of that wine. It's your poll number

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Re: The Federal Snap Election
Reply #19 - Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:26am

Dnarever wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:22am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:12am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:07am:

cods wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 7:54am:

does anyone really want a govt that is stuck together by independents????? groan....

That is the reality we voted for and can work very well with a slightly less obnoxious opposition and more external honesty and respect from areas like the media.

Who knows the media may be less likely to want to work so hard to destabilise a conservative government and it would be nice to see the shoe on the other foot but traditionally Labor are more genuine in opposition and tend to make decisions for the country's benefit - they typically are not an opposition of the No No No NO persuasion.

You could not argue that the Liberal opposition are not the most obstructive opposition Australia has ever had with the least concern for Australias position even worse that the Fraser opposition.

Please can someone give me a bucket

No dont fill it with water and put your head into it - You are appreciated by someone and do in fact have some value.

Well I would hope so, as it only matters if I value me and I do. I do hope you stop hating on yourself one day and stop being a hateful lefty.

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Re: The Federal Snap Election
Reply #20 - Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:27am

Maqqa wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:24am:

____ wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:23am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:12am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:07am:

cods wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 7:54am:

does anyone really want a govt that is stuck together by independents????? groan....

That is the reality we voted for and can work very well with a slightly less obnoxious opposition and more external honesty and respect from areas like the media.

Who knows the media may be less likely to want to work so hard to destabilise a conservative government and it would be nice to see the shoe on the other foot but traditionally Labor are more genuine in opposition and tend to make decisions for the country's benefit - they typically are not an opposition of the No No No NO persuasion.

You could not argue that the Liberal opposition are not the most obstructive opposition Australia has ever had with the least concern for Australias position even worse that the Fraser opposition.

Please can someone give me a bucket

Dnarever has a point. Liberals have taken it on themselves to be extreme in negativity in opposition.

Can't remember when Bob Brown was positive

Can't remember when Gillard was positive while in opposition

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Re: The Federal Snap Election
Reply #21 - Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:31am

____ wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 7:44am:

2012 is looking more like the year of a snap election, once K R knifes J G in the back.

Tough choices would confront a recycled PM Rudd

LET'S cut to the chase. What would political life be like if Kevin Rudd became PM again?

[...]

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/opinion/politics/tough-choices-would-confront-a-...

I look forward to a return to a more gentle time under Rudd’s stewardship. A time when a man doffed his hat when a lady walked by. A time when a man relinquished his seat on the bus in order that a lady might sit. Yes, we yearn for those days of tennis in the afternoon and cocktails at 6pm. One thing that marked those days when Rudd was in charge was his outstanding 8000-word essay that appeared in the Monthly. Rudd was accused of plagiarising part of that essay (some of it was lifted from an article in the journal Foreign Affairs) but so what. When was an Australian politician ever accused of having an original thought? Anyway, his essay forms part of the economics module being taught at the Kazakh Academy of Labour and Social Relations. Mark my words, Kazakhstan is a sleeping giant.

Bring back the 21st Century’s wunderkind Kevin Michael Rudd.

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The ALP, the progressive party, the party of ideas, the workers' friend, is the only Australian political party to roast four young Australians in roof cavities. SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!

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Re: The Federal Snap Election
Reply #22 - Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:35am

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:12am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:07am:

cods wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 7:54am:

does anyone really want a govt that is stuck together by independents????? groan....

That is the reality we voted for and can work very well with a slightly less obnoxious opposition and more external honesty and respect from areas like the media.

Who knows the media may be less likely to want to work so hard to destabilise a conservative government and it would be nice to see the shoe on the other foot but traditionally Labor are more genuine in opposition and tend to make decisions for the country's benefit - they typically are not an opposition of the No No No NO persuasion.

You could not argue that the Liberal opposition are not the most obstructive opposition Australia has ever had with the least concern for Australias position even worse that the Fraser opposition.

Please can someone give me a bucket

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This Green idiot takes too much space. Who does he think will reward him eventually? Bob Brown? LOL!

The Greens are nearly finished mainly because their policies and blackmail of Gillard caused power rises and the carbon tax that'll make power more inaccessible to struggling families.

As for disliking Liberals?

How was life under Howard before the unions' lies about "WorkChoices" lost them an election?

Why would they hate Abbott - because he is a Catholic?

Would they have preferred a Muslim PM?

Hate (envy) the Liberals if you must but at least, there wasn't billion-dollar wastage under them nor the in-party instability.

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Re: The Federal Snap Election
Reply #23 - Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:44am

olde.sault wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:35am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:12am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:07am:

cods wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 7:54am:

does anyone really want a govt that is stuck together by independents????? groan....

That is the reality we voted for and can work very well with a slightly less obnoxious opposition and more external honesty and respect from areas like the media.

Who knows the media may be less likely to want to work so hard to destabilise a conservative government and it would be nice to see the shoe on the other foot but traditionally Labor are more genuine in opposition and tend to make decisions for the country's benefit - they typically are not an opposition of the No No No NO persuasion.

You could not argue that the Liberal opposition are not the most obstructive opposition Australia has ever had with the least concern for Australias position even worse that the Fraser opposition.

Please can someone give me a bucket

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This Green idiot takes too much space. Who does he think will reward him eventually? Bob Brown? LOL!

The Greens are nearly finished mainly because their policies and blackmail of Gillard caused power rises and the carbon tax that'll make power more inaccessible to struggling families.

As for disliking Liberals?

How was life under Howard before the unions' lies about "WorkChoices" lost them an election?

Why would they hate Abbott - because he is a Catholic?

Would they have preferred a Muslim PM?

Hate (envy) the Liberals if you must but at least, there wasn't billion-dollar wastage under them nor the in-party instability.

Liberals (and Labor) want dangerous coal seam gas mines under the cities of Sydney and Brisbane and regional NSW/Qld ... to start with.

CSG mines that have caused earthquakes in the UK and the US.

CSG mines that risk our limited reserve of fresh water, that risks our food security and so food price stability.

LibLab want to risk the health and lives of Australians because they are knackered due to the coal lobby owning these two old parties.

A vote for the old parties is a vote for the Greenhouse Mafia ... a vote against democracy.

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Re: The Federal Snap Election
Reply #25 - Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:49am

____ wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:44am:

olde.sault wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:35am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:12am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:07am:

cods wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 7:54am:

does anyone really want a govt that is stuck together by independents????? groan....

That is the reality we voted for and can work very well with a slightly less obnoxious opposition and more external honesty and respect from areas like the media.

Who knows the media may be less likely to want to work so hard to destabilise a conservative government and it would be nice to see the shoe on the other foot but traditionally Labor are more genuine in opposition and tend to make decisions for the country's benefit - they typically are not an opposition of the No No No NO persuasion.

You could not argue that the Liberal opposition are not the most obstructive opposition Australia has ever had with the least concern for Australias position even worse that the Fraser opposition.

Please can someone give me a bucket

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This Green idiot takes too much space. Who does he think will reward him eventually? Bob Brown? LOL!

The Greens are nearly finished mainly because their policies and blackmail of Gillard caused power rises and the carbon tax that'll make power more inaccessible to struggling families.

As for disliking Liberals?

How was life under Howard before the unions' lies about "WorkChoices" lost them an election?

Why would they hate Abbott - because he is a Catholic?

Would they have preferred a Muslim PM?

Hate (envy) the Liberals if you must but at least, there wasn't billion-dollar wastage under them nor the in-party instability.

Liberals (and Labor) want dangerous coal seam gas mines under the cities of Sydney and Brisbane and regional NSW/Qld ... to start with.

CSG mines that have caused earthquakes in the UK and the US.

CSG mines that risk our limited reserve of fresh water, that risks our food security and so food price stability.

LibLab want to risk the health and lives of Australians because they are knackered due to the coal lobby owning these two old parties.

A vote for the old parties is a vote for the Greenhouse Mafia ... a vote against democracy.

If all you are hanging your hat on is CSG, then you are in trouble, but we already knew that.

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Re: The Federal Snap Election
Reply #26 - Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:50am

blackadder wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:44am:

A Labor or Liberal Majority is not a reflection.

Uh????

Polling shown nether Lib or Lab deserve majority government.

Polling has not change that drastically since the last election result ... a hung parliament ... a hung parliament voters new was on the table prior to voting.

People will not reward either old party with control of both houses so this makes both lame and lame ducks.

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Re: The Federal Snap Election
Reply #28 - Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:52am

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:26am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:22am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:12am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:07am:

Who knows the media may be less likely to want to work so hard to destabilise a conservative government and it would be nice to see the shoe on the other foot but traditionally Labor are more genuine in opposition and tend to make decisions for the country's benefit - they typically are not an opposition of the No No No NO persuasion.

You could not argue that the Liberal opposition are not the most obstructive opposition Australia has ever had with the least concern for Australias position even worse that the Fraser opposition.

Please can someone give me a bucket

No dont fill it with water and put your head into it - You are appreciated by someone and do in fact have some value.

Well I would hope so, as it only matters if I value me and I do. I do hope you stop hating on yourself one day and stop being a hateful lefty.

I don't hate anyone.

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Re: The Federal Snap Election
Reply #29 - Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:58am

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:49am:

____ wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:44am:

olde.sault wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:35am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:12am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:07am:

cods wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 7:54am:

does anyone really want a govt that is stuck together by independents????? groan....

That is the reality we voted for and can work very well with a slightly less obnoxious opposition and more external honesty and respect from areas like the media.

Who knows the media may be less likely to want to work so hard to destabilise a conservative government and it would be nice to see the shoe on the other foot but traditionally Labor are more genuine in opposition and tend to make decisions for the country's benefit - they typically are not an opposition of the No No No NO persuasion.

You could not argue that the Liberal opposition are not the most obstructive opposition Australia has ever had with the least concern for Australias position even worse that the Fraser opposition.

Please can someone give me a bucket

--------

This Green idiot takes too much space. Who does he think will reward him eventually? Bob Brown? LOL!

The Greens are nearly finished mainly because their policies and blackmail of Gillard caused power rises and the carbon tax that'll make power more inaccessible to struggling families.

As for disliking Liberals?

How was life under Howard before the unions' lies about "WorkChoices" lost them an election?

Why would they hate Abbott - because he is a Catholic?

Would they have preferred a Muslim PM?

Hate (envy) the Liberals if you must but at least, there wasn't billion-dollar wastage under them nor the in-party instability.

Liberals (and Labor) want dangerous coal seam gas mines under the cities of Sydney and Brisbane and regional NSW/Qld ... to start with.

CSG mines that have caused earthquakes in the UK and the US.

CSG mines that risk our limited reserve of fresh water, that risks our food security and so food price stability.

LibLab want to risk the health and lives of Australians because they are knackered due to the coal lobby owning these two old parties.

A vote for the old parties is a vote for the Greenhouse Mafia ... a vote against democracy.

If all you are hanging your hat on is CSG, then you are in trouble, but we already knew that.

Not the only issue at the next election although consider this

Government and opposition Ministers, including Abbott and Hockey have seats in the firing line of CSG endangering home values and health.

Opposition to coal seam gas could cause both Abbott and Hockey being dumped for those that oppose CGS mining under voter's homes.

Some Australian right wing voters are known to vote selfishly ... do you really think they will put Abbott/Hockey before their homes?

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