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Reply #75 - Feb 4^th, 2012 at 5:25pm

adelcrow wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 5:05pm:

I dont support Communism but I do think the genocidal rampages of a few mad men should not be confused with Communism.After all...Milosevic did not claim to be a Communist nor did Adolf, in fact they both clearly stated they hated Communists. As for Pol Pot he was supported in his fight against Vietman by the USA anti Communist govt of the time.
Modern Communism is clearly working in China.

why not? Stalin and Mao might have topped the list of communist mass-murderers but they were not preceded or succeeded by human rights activists. each and every communist dictator has been a mass-murderer. Some just went well above the usual quota.

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Reply #77 - Feb 4^th, 2012 at 5:28pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 5:15pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 5:05pm:

I dont support Communism but I do think the genocidal rampages of a few mad men should not be confused with Communism.
After all...Milosevic did not claim to be a Communist nor did Adolf, in fact they both clearly stated they hated Communists. As for Pol Pot he was supported in his fight against Vietman by the USA anti Communist govt of the time.
Modern Communism is clearly working in China.

Communism in China is now basically state organised capitalism. They are hell bent on establishing world markets for profit and further investment. Just look at how our market is saturated with Chinese goods.
Also, recently they have passed bills supporting (some) private property.

they grab just enough capitalist principles to enable them to have an actual economy and nothing more. History has shown that communism is the worlds worst ever economic model. Unbridled capitalism can be an ugly thing at times but at least some people got rich and the people were fed. under communism NO ONE was rich and very few were fed.

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Reply #78 - Feb 4^th, 2012 at 5:29pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 5:15pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 5:05pm:

I dont support Communism but I do think the genocidal rampages of a few mad men should not be confused with Communism.
After all...Milosevic did not claim to be a Communist nor did Adolf, in fact they both clearly stated they hated Communists. As for Pol Pot he was supported in his fight against Vietman by the USA anti Communist govt of the time.
Modern Communism is clearly working in China.

Communism in China is now basically state organised capitalism. They are hell bent on establishing world markets for profit and further investment. Just look at how our market is saturated with Chinese goods.
Also, recently they have passed bills supporting (some) private property.

I agree it proves my point that a govt can give itself any title it likes be it Communist, Democratic or whatever it doesnt mean its true.
Modern Communism is just dictatorial centralised capitalism with a huge dose of protectionism under a different name...and it works

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Reply #80 - Feb 4^th, 2012 at 5:31pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 5:27pm:

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Communism in China is now basically state organised capitalism.

Todays China is the utopia our corporations wish for.
Look at Apple Nike etc.
Cheap Labor, lax safety and environmental laws.

all we have to do to compete with China is force them to have actual environmental, industrial and OH&S laws (if we could). they have a form of slavery or indentured servitude, no respect for the environment at all and no real interest in safety for employees or any real interest in safe products.

their cheaper labor is a smokescreen for everything else they do cheap - or not at all.

Apparently those supporters of communism seem to forget its penchant for child slavery.

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Reply #81 - Feb 4^th, 2012 at 5:31pm

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 5:23pm:

you are more like those 'stateless people'. you 'shop' for a country and see what they have to offer you. .

I am sure somewhere you will be able to tell me what is wrong with that.

So I leave a role in Australia/Canada and there is a role in the United States offering a chance for me to look after my family and pay their way - I should turn it down because its not in my own country??

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Reply #82 - Feb 4^th, 2012 at 6:05pm

adelcrow wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 5:29pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 5:15pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 5:05pm:

I dont support Communism but I do think the genocidal rampages of a few mad men should not be confused with Communism.
After all...Milosevic did not claim to be a Communist nor did Adolf, in fact they both clearly stated they hated Communists. As for Pol Pot he was supported in his fight against Vietman by the USA anti Communist govt of the time.
Modern Communism is clearly working in China.

Communism in China is now basically state organised capitalism. They are hell bent on establishing world markets for profit and further investment. Just look at how our market is saturated with Chinese goods.
Also, recently they have passed bills supporting (some) private property.

I agree it proves my point that a govt can give itself any title it likes be it Communist, Democratic or whatever it doesnt mean its true.
Modern Communism is just dictatorial centralised capitalism with a huge dose of protectionism under a different name...and it works

Thats an awful load of bollocks to describe organized corruption.

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Reply #83 - Feb 4^th, 2012 at 6:55pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 5:31pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 5:23pm:

you are more like those 'stateless people'. you 'shop' for a country and see what they have to offer you. .

I am sure somewhere you will be able to tell me what is wrong with that.

So I leave a role in Australia/Canada and there is a role in the United States offering a chance for me to look after my family and pay their way - I should turn it down because its not in my own country??

im just wondering if there is any one or any thing that you give allegiance to or if everything is defined by its advantage (or otherwise) to you.

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Reply #84 - Feb 4^th, 2012 at 11:52pm

Maqqa wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 2:12pm:

If it's racism to support the LEGAL immigration process for ANYONE who wants to come to Australia from ANY COUNTRY then I AM A RACIST

If it's racism to speak out against all people who is/has attempting/attempted taking ILLEGAL steps to enter Australia then I AM A RACIST

If it's racism to speak out against first Australians living in Australia who speaks as though they are not Australians then I AM A RACIST

As for the climate change - that's been going on for the last 4,600,000,000 years so what's your point?

If that's the best answer you can give, just forget I asked the question....

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Reply #85 - Feb 5^th, 2012 at 3:20am

Frances wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 1:46pm:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 10:46am:

These communists are so racist but I still love them

Can you explain where you see this link between Communism and racism? I don't see Communists as being any more racist as a whole than most other political groups. The only ones that come to mind as being particularly racist are Fascists, a great deal of whom are undoubtedly racist.

As a member of the Libertarian left I've never been able to tell the difference between Communists and fascists.

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Reply #86 - Feb 5^th, 2012 at 5:45am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 5:29pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 4:52pm:

Actually polynesian gays have a very high place within the society

Interesting then that woody was a ward of the state in NZ and he left the country as soon as he could.

Surely being a woofter had some role in that.

You are just pissed we now know you frequent gay bars and it takes less than four beers for a gay man to fall on you without a fight.

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Reply #87 - Feb 5^th, 2012 at 7:27am

Grey wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 3:20am:

Frances wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 1:46pm:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 10:46am:

These communists are so racist but I still love them

Can you explain where you see this link between Communism and racism? I don't see Communists as being any more racist as a whole than most other political groups. The only ones that come to mind as being particularly racist are Fascists, a great deal of whom are undoubtedly racist.

As a member of the Libertarian left I've never been able to tell the difference between Communists and fascists.

Ive always said that there is no difference between the extreme left and the extreme right. they both mass-murder and crush human rights.

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Reply #88 - Feb 5^th, 2012 at 7:43am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 5:31pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 5:23pm:

you are more like those 'stateless people'. you 'shop' for a country and see what they have to offer you. .

I am sure somewhere you will be able to tell me what is wrong with that.

So I leave a role in Australia/Canada and there is a role in the United States offering a chance for me to look after my family and pay their way - I should turn it down because its not in my own country??

No you should stay there and stop interfering in the ideas of the country you turned your back on because the silver plater needed a shine and you were above such menial labour.

There was an interesting study done in the Uass, the link i have lost and it is no longer available, but it went along the lines that with executive performance the higher the pay the poorer the performance outcomes.

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Frances Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3577 In a Castle in the Hills Gender:	Re: Why R U Scare Of The Communists? Reply #89 - Feb 5^th, 2012 at 7:44am longweekend58 wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 7:27am: Ive always said that there is no difference between the extreme left and the extreme right. they both mass-murder and crush human rights. And what on earth does that have to do with racism, which is what the question you quoted was about?
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