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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: WHAT THU "COVER UP GILLARD" Reply #15 - Feb 4^th, 2012 at 6:13pm I am not - but its more - why is there an absolute 'scared to death' of the public vote right now? You'd have to admit the ALP right now are frightened to death of a General Election. Hence all this stuff in the paper and the marginal MPs starting to chip away at Gillard.
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Reply #16 - Feb 4^th, 2012 at 6:23pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 5:59pm:

Is it standard practice for Fair work to publicly release investigations?
If not & no criminal activity is found why should this be any different?
If it is common practice then they will have to.
If criminality is found it will all be laid bare in court.

HOW many MPs have spent 3 years being investigated by FAIRWORK smithy?

this is the govt we are talking about.. not joe blow

I would be most surprised to see how much time this man has spent in his electorate since this came out?.

I realize he keeps saying he has done nothing wrong and the PM is backing that..

but if I was him and was found to NOT have done anything wrong I would be screaming for it to be aired in public...

otherwise.. if that doesnt happen...GUESS WHAT MOST WILL THINK?

c ome on if the was Murdoch you would be screaming for the details..if it was Abbott I have no idea what you would be doing... Grin

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sorry I can only see you guys camping on the steps of parliament house demanding blood.

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Reply #17 - Feb 4^th, 2012 at 6:33pm

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HOW many MPs have spent 3 years being investigated by FAIRWORK smithy?

I have no idea Cods, I know of no other investigations in the pipe and only know those that have been ruled upon, how long it took them to find that ruling is anyones guess.
I do know it took our lawyer about 8 weeks and 3 drafts to get our agreement up & running & we are hardly a big company with 100's of employees.

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this is the govt we are talking about.. not joe blow

Not quite we are talking about the actions of a private citzen who NOW happens to be an MP

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if the was Murdoch you would be screaming for the details..if it was Abbott I have no idea what you would be doing

Probably something close to what you are Wink

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You'd have to admit the ALP right now are frightened to death of a General Election.

They have been since the last one, for the reason I gave in the other thread, the betrayal of the electorate.

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Reply #18 - Feb 4^th, 2012 at 8:24pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 6:05pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 6:01pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 5:59pm:

Is it standard practice for Fair work to publicly release investigations?
If not & no criminal activity is found why should this be any different?
If it is common practice then they will have to.
If criminality is found it will all be laid bare in court.

He'll most likely get off.

My issue is just as much with the stuff that isnt illegal but morally a disgrace.

The members of that Union do the shittiest and scummiest jobs for the lowest wage and he is pissing their money on flying around the world in luxury.

It sits very badly with me.

I'm not defending the bloke, just saying that just because he's an MP & his demise suits the opp, doesn't automatically mean he should be treated differently.
If Labor had a majority we wouldn't even know about this guy.
It's all political, don't kid yourself anyone gives a stuff about the members, we might as people but those pushing the adgenda certainly don't.
Remember thru workchoices they allowed these workers to lose entitlements and be paid less.

exactly he'd have quite before now and probably either awaiting court or already in jail. THAT's why we are asking why he isnt!

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Reply #19 - Feb 4^th, 2012 at 9:37pm

If receipts where provided and the payments sanctioned no crime has been committed....The only adverse decision that can be made is against whom ever sanctioned the payments on the credit card if they breach regulations or if the payments where fraudulent.....If the payments where challenged Thomson would have had to pay the money back.....The guy will away with it because he was allowed to sign off on his expenses and they where not challenged.....Even now if the payments are found to breach any regulations Thomson is not legally responsible!!!

It sucks but that is the law!!!

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Reply #20 - Feb 4^th, 2012 at 10:35pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 6:11pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 6:09pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 6:05pm:

I'm not defending the bloke, just saying that just because he's an MP & his demise suits the opp, doesn't automatically mean he should be treated differently.
If Labor had a majority we wouldn't even know about this guy.
It's all political, don't kid yourself anyone gives a stuff about the members, we might as people but those pushing the adgenda certainly don't.
Remember thru workchoices they allowed these workers to lose entitlements and be paid less.

I reckon the chick at the head of the HSU does care about the workers.
She actually did the right thing and the Labor Party have treated her abysmally.

Why exactly is losing the majority and going to the people such a bad thing to them???

It's like 'stay in power at all costs' isn't it?

Cmon Andrei, what do you reckon it is for the otherside when they are there.
That's all it is to ALL of them.
Don't try and push this as a Labor only trait.

Evidence please.

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Reply #21 - Feb 4^th, 2012 at 10:36pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 6:13pm:

I am not - but its more - why is there an absolute 'scared to death' of the public vote right now?

You'd have to admit the ALP right now are frightened to death of a General Election.
Hence all this stuff in the paper and the marginal MPs starting to chip away at Gillard.

There is no need for marginal MPs to worry, they're gone regardless of anything. Especially that bitch Saffin.

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Reply #22 - Feb 5^th, 2012 at 7:32am

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 9:37pm:

If receipts where provided and the payments sanctioned no crime has been committed....The only adverse decision that can be made is against whom ever sanctioned the payments on the credit card if they breach regulations or if the payments where fraudulent.....If the payments where challenged Thomson would have had to pay the money back.....The guy will away with it because he was allowed to sign off on his expenses and they where not challenged.....Even now if the payments are found to breach any regulations Thomson is not legally responsible!!!

It sucks but that is the law!!!

the 'taking secret commissions' aspect however is something completely different. that is clearly and unequivocably illegal and typically would get him a 3-5 year sentence, perhaps more.

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Reply #23 - Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:00am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 6:09pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 6:05pm:

I'm not defending the bloke, just saying that just because he's an MP & his demise suits the opp, doesn't automatically mean he should be treated differently.
If Labor had a majority we wouldn't even know about this guy.
It's all political, don't kid yourself anyone gives a stuff about the members, we might as people but those pushing the adgenda certainly don't.
Remember thru workchoices they allowed these workers to lose entitlements and be paid less.

I reckon the chick at the head of the HSU does care about the workers.
She actually did the right thing and the Labor Party have treated her abysmally.

Why exactly is losing the majority and going to the people such a bad thing to them???

It's like 'stay in power at all costs' isn't it?

The woman at the head of the HSU is a power hungry loon that is building her own empire but hit a brick wall as she was moving to her tune and forgot the need to be in harmony with the team around her. Apparently you are in business, imagine what would happen to her in the business world. She would never work in that industry ever again. Don't lecture others for your own sins.

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Reply #24 - Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:02am

nairbe wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:00am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 6:09pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 6:05pm:

I'm not defending the bloke, just saying that just because he's an MP & his demise suits the opp, doesn't automatically mean he should be treated differently.
If Labor had a majority we wouldn't even know about this guy.
It's all political, don't kid yourself anyone gives a stuff about the members, we might as people but those pushing the adgenda certainly don't.
Remember thru workchoices they allowed these workers to lose entitlements and be paid less.

I reckon the chick at the head of the HSU does care about the workers.
She actually did the right thing and the Labor Party have treated her abysmally.

Why exactly is losing the majority and going to the people such a bad thing to them???

It's like 'stay in power at all costs' isn't it?

The woman at the head of the HSU is a power hungry loon that is building her own empire but hit a brick wall as she was moving to her tune and forgot the need to be in harmony with the team around her. Apparently you are in business, imagine what would happen to her in the business world. She would never work in that industry ever again. Don't lecture others for your own sins.

Where is your evidence to back your crap up.

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Reply #25 - Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:09am

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:02am:

nairbe wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:00am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 6:09pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 6:05pm:

I'm not defending the bloke, just saying that just because he's an MP & his demise suits the opp, doesn't automatically mean he should be treated differently.
If Labor had a majority we wouldn't even know about this guy.
It's all political, don't kid yourself anyone gives a stuff about the members, we might as people but those pushing the adgenda certainly don't.
Remember thru workchoices they allowed these workers to lose entitlements and be paid less.

I reckon the chick at the head of the HSU does care about the workers.
She actually did the right thing and the Labor Party have treated her abysmally.

Why exactly is losing the majority and going to the people such a bad thing to them???

It's like 'stay in power at all costs' isn't it?

The woman at the head of the HSU is a power hungry loon that is building her own empire but hit a brick wall as she was moving to her tune and forgot the need to be in harmony with the team around her. Apparently you are in business, imagine what would happen to her in the business world. She would never work in that industry ever again. Don't lecture others for your own sins.

Where is your evidence to back your crap up.

he wont have any prog.. this is a brainwashed answer to everything..

THOMO is TOPS never did a dishonest thing in his life... and Jackson is just a crazy empire builder...

any sane person c an see that

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