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Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss
Reply #15 - Feb 4^th, 2012 at 2:20pm

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 2:10pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 2:07pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 7:42am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 2:01am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 12:19am:

Apparently Mr. John Cook, who runs a website puzzlingly entitled Skeptical Science, is upset Monkton kicked Dr. Denniss rear end (for everyone to see) and has published a commentary on what Monkton had said in the debate.

Be witness to another woop azz by Monkton, this time on Cook.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/02/03/monckton-responds-to-skeptical-science/

I suggest people watch for themselves and make up their own minds!!!

How about you suggest looking at what I put and let Monkton answer his critics.

We already saw Monkton kick the guys azz in that debate.

Monkton is a clown.....I suggest people watch his act and see for themselves!!!

The fact he had to defend himself speaks volumes about his lack of substance!!!

It does say alot doesn't it (that he even had to defend himself). He defended himself with science, unlike the environmental extremists.

He can only defend himself with science if he provides peer reviewed studies that are published in scientific journals or literature.....Making statements and having opinions that are not supported with peer review are worthless.....Even the Monk would agree that peer review is part of the scientific method and even used it to defend himself when challenged about not having submitted his work for peer review.....He claimed the men who published his paper did peer review his work which was subsequently discredited and the men sacked for publishing his paper.....He is a complete joke supported by fools who cannot see through his vaudeville act.....I laugh at anyone who takes this clown seriously!!!

Smiley

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Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss
Reply #16 - Feb 4^th, 2012 at 2:23pm

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 2:20pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 2:10pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 2:07pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 7:42am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 2:01am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 12:19am:

Apparently Mr. John Cook, who runs a website puzzlingly entitled Skeptical Science, is upset Monkton kicked Dr. Denniss rear end (for everyone to see) and has published a commentary on what Monkton had said in the debate.

Be witness to another woop azz by Monkton, this time on Cook.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/02/03/monckton-responds-to-skeptical-science/

I suggest people watch for themselves and make up their own minds!!!

How about you suggest looking at what I put and let Monkton answer his critics.

We already saw Monkton kick the guys azz in that debate.

Monkton is a clown.....I suggest people watch his act and see for themselves!!!

The fact he had to defend himself speaks volumes about his lack of substance!!!

It does say alot doesn't it (that he even had to defend himself). He defended himself with science, unlike the environmental extremists.

He can only defend himself with science if he provides peer reviewed studies that are published in scientific journals or literature.....Making statements and having opinions that are not supported with peer review are worthless.....Even the Monk would agree that peer review is part of the scientific method and even used it to defend himself when challenged about not having submitted his work for peer review.....He claimed the men who published his paper did peer review his work which was subsequently discredited and the men sacked for publishing his paper.....He is a complete joke supported by fools who cannot see through his vaudeville act.....I laugh at anyone who takes this clown seriously!!!

Smiley

Well I guess you are out. If you don't listen to him and even have a video to go over and over, then it is all lost on you.

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Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss
Reply #17 - Feb 4^th, 2012 at 2:36pm

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 2:15pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 2:12pm:

Do any of his dwindling bunch of disciples know if he is still claiming to be a member of the House of Lords and Nobel Prize winner ?

Well you would have to prove him to be incorrect first. I know following your bunch of extremists can be both fun and easy, but surely you should get some integrity and prove Monkton wrong.

Nothing HERE ?

http://www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-and-offices/lords/

Nor HERE

http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/all/all_laureates_c.html

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I'M not the one with "integrity" issuues
I'VE never written myself a FAKE biography in order to be taken seriously

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Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss
Reply #18 - Feb 4^th, 2012 at 2:53pm

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 12:19am:

Apparently Mr. John Cook, who runs a website puzzlingly entitled Skeptical Science, is upset Monkton kicked Dr. Denniss rear end (for everyone to see) and has published a commentary on what Monkton had said in the debate.

Be witness to another woop azz by Monkton, this time on Cook.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/02/03/monckton-responds-to-skeptical-science/

I could be wrong but don't you scoff and put sh!t on others for using blog sites to back arguments?

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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Reply #19 - Feb 4^th, 2012 at 3:13pm Im surprised anyone still takes Leaping Lord Cockyhead seriously. He has as much credibility as a 1950's tobacco industry investigation on the health benefits of smoking cigarettes
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Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss
Reply #20 - Feb 4^th, 2012 at 3:19pm

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 2:15pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 2:12pm:

Do any of his dwindling bunch of disciples know if he is still claiming to be a member of the House of Lords and Nobel Prize winner ?

Well you would have to prove him to be incorrect first. I know following your bunch of extremists can be both fun and easy, but surely you should get some integrity and prove Monkton wrong.

Didn't you read my link?
http://www.parliament.uk/business/news/2011/july/letter-to-viscount-monckton/
How clearly do you want it stated? What credibility does a person who tries to pass himself off as a member of the house of Lords actually have?

How much credibility does a person have who believes an obvious proven fraud?

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I must therefore again ask that you desist from claiming to be a Member of the House of Lords, either directly or by implication, and also that you desist from claiming to be a Member "without the right to sit or vote".

I am publishing this letter on the parliamentary website so that anybody who wishes to check whether you are a Member of the House of Lords can view
this official confirmation that you are not.

Do you still think he's a member of the HoL? Just answer that question - because it will determine if we are wasting our time here or not.

In the UK, everybody realises that he's a nutter. Grin

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Reply #21 - Feb 4^th, 2012 at 3:25pm

"Skepticism" doesn't mean what you think it means. Monkton isn't a skeptic, he's a denier.

A skeptic will examine all of the properly-conducted scientific research on a topic, and base his opinion on the weight of the available evidence. On the other hand, a denier dismisses whatever evidence disagrees with his pre-conceived position while accepting all evidence that agrees with it, no matter how weak it may be.

Any TV debate on complex scientific issues is nothing more than a sham, especially when that debate is between someone who is qualified and someone who isn't. The passionate but unqualified person invariably goes on a "gish gallop", asking a series of dubious questions and making a series of dubious statements. It then takes the qualified person far longer than the available time to fully and accurately respond.

Lord Fraud Monkton is a master of the gish gallop. You'll see this behaviour in any debate between a layperson and a scientist, not just on climate change. Watch a debate between a Paediatrician and an anti-vaccination campaigner and you'll see the same result.

Next, it's not up to anyone else to prove that Monkton is lying about his House of Lords claims or his Nobel prize claims. Monkton is making the claims, and it's up to him to prove them. Which he has not done.

However, given that the British Parliament have categorically stated that he isn't a Lord, and his name doesn't appear on any Nobel Prize listings, surely there's no-one gullible enough to think he isn't just making it up, is there?

Since he's shown himself to be less than honest on so many occasions, why believe anything else he says?

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Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss
Reply #22 - Feb 4^th, 2012 at 3:25pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 2:36pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 2:15pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 2:12pm:

Do any of his dwindling bunch of disciples know if he is still claiming to be a member of the House of Lords and Nobel Prize winner ?

Well you would have to prove him to be incorrect first. I know following your bunch of extremists can be both fun and easy, but surely you should get some integrity and prove Monkton wrong.

Nothing HERE ?

http://www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-and-offices/lords/

Nor HERE

http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/all/all_laureates_c.html

PS

I'M not the one with "integrity" issues
I'VE never written myself a FAKE biography in order to be taken seriously

... and progressiveslol has "left the building"

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Reply #23 - Feb 4^th, 2012 at 3:40pm

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However, given that the British Parliament have categorically stated that he isn't a Lord, and his name doesn't appear on any Nobel Prize listings, surely there's no-one gullible enough to think he isn't just making it up, is there?

The British Parliament haven't stated any such thing....They've only stated that he isn't a Sitting Member of the House of Lords....
Since his rank in the Peerage is Hereditary, it takes a charge of treason to bring about a forfeiture of his title...

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Reply #24 - Feb 4^th, 2012 at 3:42pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 3:40pm:

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However, given that the British Parliament have categorically stated that he isn't a Lord, and his name doesn't appear on any Nobel Prize listings, surely there's no-one gullible enough to think he isn't just making it up, is there?

The British Parliament haven't stated any such thing....They've only stated that he isn't a Sitting Member of the House of Lords....
Since his rank in the Peerage is Hereditary, it takes a charge of treason to bring about a forfeiture of his title...

Hes as batty as a Lord and thats good enough for me Grin

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Reply #25 - Feb 4^th, 2012 at 3:48pm

Buzzanddiddj

You asked what qualifications does Lord Monckton have? Before I start, I might point out that contrary to your apparent perception, we are not short sighted on this site and that it is not necessary to print your reply in print, that would do a banner outside a Newsagent proud.

Lord Christopher Walter Monckton 3rd Viscount of Brenchley.

Edcation: Harrow School and Churchill College, Cambridge. BA/MA(Cambs.) in classics. Dilpoma Journalism University College Cardiff.

Gifted Mathematician, invented 'The Eternity Puzzle' which sold over 500,000 units. He offered a million pounds for the first to solve it.

Worked as a journalist on many newspapers joined London Evening Standard as lead writer 1982.

Recruited by the Conservative Party as a Senior Policy Advisor to Margaret Thatcher Government in the 1980's.

Senior Policy Advisor to the Climate Change Scientific bodies throughout the world who have stood against the greatest hoax ever played out in the modern era.

Its all about the money. Please read my post on AL GORE on this site re Global Companies.

Do you have any idea at all how much money this bulls...t carbon tax is going to generate for Labor?

And brother don't they need it. They are spending money quicker than the presses can roll it off. (LOOK UP AUSTRALIA'S DEBT CLOCK on the Net, do yourself that much of a favour.) Don't ask me where its going, I don't think they know themselves. B.E.R., insulation etc. what freaking disasters!

Conspiracy? Bloody oath there is!

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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Reply #26 - Feb 4^th, 2012 at 4:03pm I dont care what qualifications he has..hes and mad as a pile of cow sh!t and the laughing stock of the worldwide scientific community. Has he ever worked for the Tobacco Industry because he uses the same tactics they did in pushing their deadly products through the 40's, 50's and 60's
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Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss
Reply #27 - Feb 4^th, 2012 at 4:03pm

red baron wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 3:48pm:

Buzzanddiddj

You asked what qualifications does Lord Monckton have? Before I start, I might point out that contrary to your apparent perception, we are not short sighted on this site and that it is not necessary to print your reply in print, that would do a banner outside a Newsagent proud.

Lord Christopher Walter Monckton 3rd Viscount of Brenchley.

Edcation: Harrow School and Churchill College, Cambridge. BA/MA(Cambs.) in classics. Dilpoma Journalism University College Cardiff.

Gifted Mathematician, invented 'The Eternity Puzzle' which sold over 500,000 units. He offered a million pounds for the first to solve it.

Worked as a journalist on many newspapers joined London Evening Standard as lead writer 1982.

Recruited by the Conservative Party as a Senior Policy Advisor to Margaret Thatcher Government in the 1980's.

Senior Policy Advisor to the Climate Change Scientific bodies throughout the world who have stood against the greatest hoax ever played out in the modern era.

Its all about the money. Please read my post on AL GORE on this site re Global Companies.

Do you have any idea at all how much money this bulls...t carbon tax is going to generate for Labor?

And brother don't they need it. They are spending money quicker than the presses can roll it off. (LOOK UP AUSTRALIA'S DEBT CLOCK on the Net, do yourself that much of a favour.) Don't ask me where its going, I don't think they know themselves. B.E.R., insulation etc. what freaking disasters!

Conspiracy? Bloody oath there is!

Christopher Monckton worked for the British government between 1982-1986, has previously claimed to be a "chief policy advisor" to former British prime minister Margeret Thatcher, and is frequently introduced as her "chief science advisor" when interviewed by the conservative media.

Christopher Monckton has been quoted as saying "I gave her advice on science as well as other policy from 1982-1986, two years before the IPCC Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change was founded", that he was "the only one who knew any science" and that "it was I who – on the prime minister's behalf – kept a weather eye on the official science advisers to the government, from the chief scientific adviser downward".

Bob Ward in the Guardian invesitgated these claims and found them to be false, noting "that this novel and important innovation by Viscount Monckton [bringing a computer to Downing Street and calculating that global warming was, in fact, happening] was not recognised by the current minister for science and universities, David Willetts, who was also a member of the prime minister's policy unit between 1984 and 1986. In 1986, "Two Brains" wrote a prize-winning essay on the role of the unit, but mysteriously omitted to mention Monckton's historic contribution."

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Christopher_Monckton#House_Of_Lords_m...

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Lord Christopher Walter Monckton 3rd Viscount of Brenchley.

Edcation: Harrow School and Churchill College, Cambridge. BA/MA(Cambs.) in classics. Dilpoma Journalism University College Cardiff.

Gifted Mathematician, invented 'The Eternity Puzzle' which sold over 500,000 units. He offered a million pounds for the first to solve it.

Worked as a journalist on many newspapers joined London Evening Standard as lead writer 1982.

I'm sure THAT all helps - in the study of climate change ?

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Reply #29 - Feb 4^th, 2012 at 4:22pm

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Recruited by the Conservative Party as a Senior Policy Advisor to Margaret Thatcher Government in the 1980's.

Must have been interesting telling Marg she was wrong:

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Thatcher saw climate threat

by: Mike Steketee, National Affairs Editor
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Now is as good a time as any to tackle global warming, as a former British PM knew

IN 1990, way before climate change became an issue fought from behind fixed lines, a government leader made a plea for action.

"The danger of global warming is as yet unseen but real enough for us to make changes and sacrifices, so that we do not live at the expense of future generations," she said.

She argued there was a clear case for precautionary international action, action that would be sensible in any event if it improved energy efficiency, developed alternative and sustainable sources of energy and replanted forests.

Margaret Thatcher's interest in global warming dates back to earlier in her prime ministership.

Unlike most politicians, she had some professional acquaintance with the area, graduating in chemistry from Oxford University and working for a period as a research scientist.

In 1988, she said in a speech to the Royal Society, Britain's national science academy, that three changes in atmospheric chemistry -- greenhouse gases, the ozone hole and acid rain -- warranted government action.

She did more than talk about climate change: she set up the Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research, now with a worldwide reputation for its work. She committed to bringing carbon dioxide emissions back to 1990 levels by 2005. She provided funding for reafforestation in Britain and overseas.

Mockton's full of sh!t.
As proven over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over infinitum

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