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progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Reply #120 - Feb 8^th, 2012 at 8:35am On top of my last post, we have this
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Reply #121 - Feb 9^th, 2012 at 9:48am

Interview translated

Vahrenholt a prominent Social Democrat and former German Environment Minister, but also outgoing CEO of the renewable energy group RWE Innogy.

It’s an extensive interview, touching upon the various climate-influencing factors left out by the IPCC in its promotion of CO2 as the apocalyptic threat to mankind, and the massive government intervention and expense to supposedly make it go away.

“The Cold Sun” author explains the reason of his current point of view as
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Vahrenholt:

For years, I disseminated the hypotheses of the IPCC, and I feel duped. Renewable energy is near and dear to me, and I’ve been fighting for its expansion for more than 30 years. My concern is that if citizens discover that the people who warn of a climate disaster are only telling half the truth, they will no longer be prepared to pay higher electricity costs for wind and solar (energy). Then the conversion of our energy supply will lack the necessary acceptance.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,813814,00.html

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Doctor Jolly Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3808	Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Reply #122 - Feb 9^th, 2012 at 9:57am The demonisation of scientists continues. What an appalling lot the deniers are. If you dont understand the issue, just say "I dont understand". Its complex. No one will think any less of you. (We cant anyway )
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Reply #123 - Feb 9^th, 2012 at 10:25am

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 9:57am:

The demonisation of scientists continues.

What an appalling lot the deniers are. If you dont understand the issue, just say "I dont understand". Its complex. No one will think any less of you. (We cant anyway Wink

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What is demonising about it. Dont you think it is scientists doing the peer reviews that are spoken about. Don't you think it were real scientists that were interviewed?

Stop sounding like a sore loser and a typical climate change churchy. The information is definitely real.

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Reply #124 - Feb 9^th, 2012 at 10:29am

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 10:25am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 9:57am:

The demonisation of scientists continues.

What an appalling lot the deniers are. If you dont understand the issue, just say "I dont understand". Its complex. No one will think any less of you. (We cant anyway Wink

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What is demonising about it. Dont you think it is scientists doing the peer reviews that are spoken about. Don't you think it were real scientists that were interviewed?

Stop sounding like a sore loser and a typical climate change churchy. The information is definitely real.

Your funny picture is a review of clynical physicology scientests, so what baring it has on the debate of climate science is beyond me.

Scientists who publish to peer-review journals soon get found out if they have fabricated something. Thats what peer-review is about, and that why everyone else in this thread is saying (except you) that bloggers and journo who dont get peer-reviewed are not worth the paper their articles are written on.

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philperth2010 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21097 Perth Gender:	Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Reply #125 - Feb 9^th, 2012 at 10:31am Shady scientific research is rampant!!! However it does not say which side of the argument is dodgy......We already know deniers cherry pick data to support their claims and refuse to have their claims peer reviewed in main stream scientific publications!!!
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Reply #126 - Feb 9^th, 2012 at 10:36am

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 10:29am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 10:25am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 9:57am:

The demonisation of scientists continues.

What an appalling lot the deniers are. If you dont understand the issue, just say "I dont understand". Its complex. No one will think any less of you. (We cant anyway Wink

)

What is demonising about it. Dont you think it is scientists doing the peer reviews that are spoken about. Don't you think it were real scientists that were interviewed?

Stop sounding like a sore loser and a typical climate change churchy. The information is definitely real.

Your funny picture is a review of clynical physicology scientests, so what baring it has on the debate of climate science is beyond me.

Scientists who publish to peer-review journals soon get found out if they have fabricated something. Thats what peer-review is about, and that why everyone else in this thread is saying (except you) that bloggers and journo who dont get peer-reviewed are not worth the paper their articles are written on.

I have said no such thing about bloggers and journo's. If they happen to refer to a peer reviewed study, then the peer reviewed study stands on it own and the journo or blogger is fee to talk about it. Just like in all science including your church.

As for the picture above, it speaks volumes on human nature and humans who happen to be scientist.

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Reply #127 - Feb 9^th, 2012 at 10:38am

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 10:31am:

Shady scientific research is rampant!!!

However it does not say which side of the argument is dodgy......We already know deniers cherry pick data to support their claims and refuse to have their claims peer reviewed in main stream scientific publications!!!

As we do know with climate change churchies.

Btw is your main stream the ones that would not dare to publish an opposing paper for fear of being hounded and sacked for publishing material against the church beliefs. I think that is your so called main stream.

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Doctor Jolly Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3808	Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Reply #128 - Feb 9^th, 2012 at 10:50am Progs is trying the "if I keep saying 'Church' someone might believe me" trick. By association he is trying to demonise scientists as being religous and therefore believe in something that cannot be proven. All standard 101 tactics from the deniers handbook. Boring.
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Reply #129 - Feb 9^th, 2012 at 10:51am

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 10:50am:

Progs is trying the "if I keep saying 'Church' someone might believe me" trick.

By association he is trying to demonise scientists as being religous and therefore believe in something that cannot be proven.

All standard 101 tactics from the deniers handbook.

Boring.

Well in lieu of a word I like opposite to denier, then I will refer to the act of being the opposite of denier.

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Reply #130 - Feb 9^th, 2012 at 10:59am

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 10:51am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 10:50am:

Progs is trying the "if I keep saying 'Church' someone might believe me" trick.

By association he is trying to demonise scientists as being religous and therefore believe in something that cannot be proven.

All standard 101 tactics from the deniers handbook.

Boring.

Well in lieu of a word I like opposite to denier, then I will refer to the act of being the opposite of denier.

How is "churchie" the opposite of "denier" ?

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Reply #131 - Feb 9^th, 2012 at 11:32am

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 10:59am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 10:51am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 10:50am:

Progs is trying the "if I keep saying 'Church' someone might believe me" trick.

By association he is trying to demonise scientists as being religous and therefore believe in something that cannot be proven.

All standard 101 tactics from the deniers handbook.

Boring.

Well in lieu of a word I like opposite to denier, then I will refer to the act of being the opposite of denier.

How is "churchie" the opposite of "denier" ?

Well to be skeptical is not being a denier, so you figure it out.

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Reply #132 - Feb 9^th, 2012 at 11:38am

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 11:32am:

Well to be skeptical is not being a denier, so you figure it out.

Youve lost the plot there progs.

If I say "the earth is round", and someone says "No, its not, its flat, look". That someone is, logically, a "denier".

But to say that because I believe the earth is round makes me religous or church going is absurd. My view will not make one difference to my church goings (if any).

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Reply #133 - Feb 9^th, 2012 at 11:49am

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 11:38am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 11:32am:

Well to be skeptical is not being a denier, so you figure it out.

Youve lost the plot there progs.

If I say "the earth is round", and someone says "No, its not, its flat, look". That someone is, logically, a "denier".

But to say that because I believe the earth is round makes me religous or church going is absurd. My view will not make one difference to my church goings (if any).

If you have never seen the empirical evidence that the earth is round, then yes, your insistence that you are correct and everyone else is merely a denier for having an opposing view, is being the church of the old days. Churchie.

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Reply #134 - Feb 9^th, 2012 at 11:53am

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 11:49am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 11:38am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 11:32am:

Well to be skeptical is not being a denier, so you figure it out.

Youve lost the plot there progs.

If I say "the earth is round", and someone says "No, its not, its flat, look". That someone is, logically, a "denier".

But to say that because I believe the earth is round makes me religous or church going is absurd. My view will not make one difference to my church goings (if any).

If you have never seen the empirical evidence that the earth is round, then yes, your insistence that you are correct and everyone else is merely a denier for having an opposing view, is being the church of the old days. Churchie.

Ahh, so you are just using as a name calling technique. Part of your demonising your opponents strategy.

Fine, no point continuing this discussion.

But FWIW, it was the churchies we held on to the view the earth was flat, and its the churchies who make up a majority of the climate change deniers, so you are shooting your own camp with that one.
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