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Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss
Reply #105 - Feb 7^th, 2012 at 12:11pm

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 12:09pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 11:42am:

Here is what NASA has published.....

http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

http://climate.nasa.gov/keyIndicators/

http://digitaljournal.com/article/300598

NASA!!!

If you want the truth go to a reputable site!!!

Oh I see, back to that clap trap again. Bugger the science. Well you have also made the argument for yourself to be ignored when you start complaining that others dont take your church of climatology seriously.

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Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss
Reply #106 - Feb 7^th, 2012 at 12:44pm

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 12:11pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 12:09pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 11:42am:

Here is what NASA has published.....

http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

http://climate.nasa.gov/keyIndicators/

http://digitaljournal.com/article/300598

NASA!!!

If you want the truth go to a reputable site!!!

Oh I see, back to that clap trap again. Bugger the science. Well you have also made the argument for yourself to be ignored when you start complaining that others dont take your church of climatology seriously.

So you believe that NASA is part of your conspiracy theory along with the the CSIRO, the ALP, the Liberal / National parties, John Howard, Margaret Thatcher, Tony Abbott, George W Bush and most Governments around the world.....You must be a complete loon!!!

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Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss
Reply #107 - Feb 7^th, 2012 at 12:54pm

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 12:44pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 12:11pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 12:09pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 11:42am:

Here is what NASA has published.....

http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

http://climate.nasa.gov/keyIndicators/

http://digitaljournal.com/article/300598

NASA!!!

If you want the truth go to a reputable site!!!

Oh I see, back to that clap trap again. Bugger the science. Well you have also made the argument for yourself to be ignored when you start complaining that others dont take your church of climatology seriously.

So you believe that NASA is part of your conspiracy theory along with the the CSIRO, the ALP, the Liberal / National parties, John Howard, Margaret Thatcher, Tony Abbott, George W Bush and most Governments around the world.....You must be a complete loon!!!

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Isaac Asimov (1920 - 1992)

Why shouldn't it be a 'conspiracy'???
Even if it's being done for the 'best' reasons (to save us from ourselves), if the data is 'loaded' towards 'worst case scenarios'.....it's still a conspiracy.... and not at all unusual either....

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Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss
Reply #108 - Feb 7^th, 2012 at 12:59pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 12:54pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 12:44pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 12:11pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 12:09pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 11:42am:

Here is what NASA has published.....

http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

http://climate.nasa.gov/keyIndicators/

http://digitaljournal.com/article/300598

NASA!!!

If you want the truth go to a reputable site!!!

Oh I see, back to that clap trap again. Bugger the science. Well you have also made the argument for yourself to be ignored when you start complaining that others dont take your church of climatology seriously.

So you believe that NASA is part of your conspiracy theory along with the the CSIRO, the ALP, the Liberal / National parties, John Howard, Margaret Thatcher, Tony Abbott, George W Bush and most Governments around the world.....You must be a complete loon!!!

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Isaac Asimov (1920 - 1992)

Why shouldn't it be a 'conspiracy'???
Even if it's being done for the 'best' reasons (to save us from ourselves), if the data is 'loaded' towards 'worst case scenarios'.....it's still a conspiracy.... and not at all unusual either....

Because it would require conspiring between opposing entities whom would gain more form exposing such a conspiracy.....Why would Australian Governments deliberately try to sabotage our exports and try to combat something that does not exist???

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Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss
Reply #109 - Feb 7^th, 2012 at 1:02pm

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 12:59pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 12:54pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 12:44pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 12:11pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 12:09pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 11:42am:

Here is what NASA has published.....

http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

http://climate.nasa.gov/keyIndicators/

http://digitaljournal.com/article/300598

NASA!!!

If you want the truth go to a reputable site!!!

Oh I see, back to that clap trap again. Bugger the science. Well you have also made the argument for yourself to be ignored when you start complaining that others dont take your church of climatology seriously.

So you believe that NASA is part of your conspiracy theory along with the the CSIRO, the ALP, the Liberal / National parties, John Howard, Margaret Thatcher, Tony Abbott, George W Bush and most Governments around the world.....You must be a complete loon!!!

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Isaac Asimov (1920 - 1992)

Why shouldn't it be a 'conspiracy'???
Even if it's being done for the 'best' reasons (to save us from ourselves), if the data is 'loaded' towards 'worst case scenarios'.....it's still a conspiracy.... and not at all unusual either....

Because it would require conspiring between opposing entities whom would gain more form exposing such a conspiracy.....Why would Australian Governments deliberately try to sabotage our exports and try to combat something that does not exist???

Good point....Not sure about the 'opposing entities' bit though...

"Why would Australian Governments deliberately try to sabotage our exports and try to combat something that does not exist??"

That, though, is really a personal belief thing...and doesn't really apply....If the Government (or members there of) truly believe it exists, then it's not sabotage, from their point of view....

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss
Reply #110 - Feb 7^th, 2012 at 1:08pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 1:02pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 12:59pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 12:54pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 12:44pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 12:11pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 12:09pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 11:42am:

Here is what NASA has published.....

http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

http://climate.nasa.gov/keyIndicators/

http://digitaljournal.com/article/300598

NASA!!!

If you want the truth go to a reputable site!!!

Oh I see, back to that clap trap again. Bugger the science. Well you have also made the argument for yourself to be ignored when you start complaining that others dont take your church of climatology seriously.

So you believe that NASA is part of your conspiracy theory along with the the CSIRO, the ALP, the Liberal / National parties, John Howard, Margaret Thatcher, Tony Abbott, George W Bush and most Governments around the world.....You must be a complete loon!!!

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Isaac Asimov (1920 - 1992)

Why shouldn't it be a 'conspiracy'???
Even if it's being done for the 'best' reasons (to save us from ourselves), if the data is 'loaded' towards 'worst case scenarios'.....it's still a conspiracy.... and not at all unusual either....

Because it would require conspiring between opposing entities whom would gain more form exposing such a conspiracy.....Why would Australian Governments deliberately try to sabotage our exports and try to combat something that does not exist???

Good point....Not sure about the 'opposing entities' bit though...

"Why would Australian Governments deliberately try to sabotage our exports and try to combat something that does not exist??"

That, though, is really a personal belief thing...and doesn't really apply....If the Government (or members there of) truly believe it exists, then it's not sabotage, from their point of view....

So these educated individuals have all come to the same conclusion through their own belief mechanisms.....Then there is no conspiracy it is a consensus based on available evidence.....Thank you!!!

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Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss
Reply #111 - Feb 7^th, 2012 at 1:12pm

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 12:44pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 12:11pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 12:09pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 11:42am:

Here is what NASA has published.....

http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

http://climate.nasa.gov/keyIndicators/

http://digitaljournal.com/article/300598

NASA!!!

If you want the truth go to a reputable site!!!

Oh I see, back to that clap trap again. Bugger the science. Well you have also made the argument for yourself to be ignored when you start complaining that others dont take your church of climatology seriously.

So you believe that NASA is part of your conspiracy theory along with the the CSIRO, the ALP, the Liberal / National parties, John Howard, Margaret Thatcher, Tony Abbott, George W Bush and most Governments around the world.....You must be a complete loon!!!

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Isaac Asimov (1920 - 1992)

No, I have a right just like you, to disregard the science as you do and have just done. So stop your whinging about people disregarding NASA.

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Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss
Reply #112 - Feb 7^th, 2012 at 1:17pm

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 1:08pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 1:02pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 12:59pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 12:54pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 12:44pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 12:11pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 12:09pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 11:42am:

Here is what NASA has published.....

http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

http://climate.nasa.gov/keyIndicators/

http://digitaljournal.com/article/300598

NASA!!!

If you want the truth go to a reputable site!!!

Oh I see, back to that clap trap again. Bugger the science. Well you have also made the argument for yourself to be ignored when you start complaining that others dont take your church of climatology seriously.

So you believe that NASA is part of your conspiracy theory along with the the CSIRO, the ALP, the Liberal / National parties, John Howard, Margaret Thatcher, Tony Abbott, George W Bush and most Governments around the world.....You must be a complete loon!!!

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Isaac Asimov (1920 - 1992)

Why shouldn't it be a 'conspiracy'???
Even if it's being done for the 'best' reasons (to save us from ourselves), if the data is 'loaded' towards 'worst case scenarios'.....it's still a conspiracy.... and not at all unusual either....

Because it would require conspiring between opposing entities whom would gain more form exposing such a conspiracy.....Why would Australian Governments deliberately try to sabotage our exports and try to combat something that does not exist???

Good point....Not sure about the 'opposing entities' bit though...

"Why would Australian Governments deliberately try to sabotage our exports and try to combat something that does not exist??"

That, though, is really a personal belief thing...and doesn't really apply....If the Government (or members there of) truly believe it exists, then it's not sabotage, from their point of view....

So these educated individuals have all come to the same conclusion through their own belief mechanisms.....Then there is no conspiracy it is a consensus based on available evidence.....Thank you!!!

I wouldn't classify politicians as 'educated individuals'....at least not in enough science to make a rational decision....Most pollies are lawyers or accountants....as such they tend to accept opinions of others....

'Educated' is pretty much a null concept.....Being well trained in Law or Philosophy doesn't mean you can identify a chemical interaction, or perform surgery (or change a fuse or lightbulb for that matter)..

And 'concensus' is not a scientific principle....

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It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #113 - Feb 7^th, 2012 at 1:18pm

The futility of debating with progressiveslol is the same as the futility of debating (Not a) Lord Monckton.
He just comes up with one more stupid argument after another, then eventually recycles the old one.
They get to a state where they say "I can disregard any science I like".

This is why Scientists dont bother with "Not a".

He is an internet troll who has transgressed out of cyber-space into the physical world.... or he's a very clever cousin of borat.

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Reply #114 - Feb 7^th, 2012 at 1:28pm

There is nothing wrong at all with trying to,preserve the planet. I recycle, use less water and generally try to do the 'right thing'. The same can be said for Tony Abbott who will put in 'best workplace policies.

No #1

Carbon Dioxide is not the bad guy and it is a scientific fact that the overwhelming source of CO2 come from the planet itself and are not 'man made'.

Further, CO2 is a building blocks of life and without it life would cease to exist.

As I have said before mankind has an over exaggerated perception of how it is affecting this planet. Overwhelmingly, it is Mother Nature who will decide this planet's future.

I get angry because the Climate Crowd have changed its title from Global Warming to Climate Change after running up the white flag and conceding that the planet has been cooling for over 100 years.

Now it's Climate Change, I am not buying what vested Global Interests want. That is, that we should pay for 'fresh air'. In fact we will be paying for nothing of the kind.

The big polluters in Australia will buy Carbon Credits on the International stage and not a damned thing will change as far as them dirtying up our Country.

I will say some big responsible companies are making a change to better practice with pollution. I applaud them for that.

But the big Global Con Job is on and as I said it is the 'big banks and stock brokers'' wet dream, money for fresh air...for absolutely nothing.

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Reply #115 - Feb 7^th, 2012 at 1:29pm

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No, I have a right just like you, to disregard the science as you do and have just done. So stop your whinging about people disregarding NASA.

I fail to see any validity in your argument.....I do not disregard any science I am just careful about whose advise I accept.....I must accept that NASA and the CSIRO are more qualified than some unknown people from a skeptic web site that will not subject its findings for scientific peer review in any other publication other than their own.....You can feel free to believe what ever you like and disregard every other organization apart from the one that supports your opinion....That is called ignorance and you are entitled to be so inclined!!!

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Reply #116 - Feb 7^th, 2012 at 1:32pm

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 1:18pm:

The futility of debating with progressiveslol is the same as the futility of debating (Not a) Lord Monckton.
He just comes up with one more stupid argument after another, then eventually recycles the old one.
They get to a state where they say "I can disregard any science I like".

This is why Scientists dont bother with "Not a".

He is an internet troll who has transgressed out of cyber-space into the physical world.... or he's a very clever cousin of borat.

Like you just did. Talk about high horse. You do come up with the most stupid statements, even when it is right in front of you and you just commited it. Shocked

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Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss
Reply #117 - Feb 7^th, 2012 at 1:34pm

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 1:29pm:

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No, I have a right just like you, to disregard the science as you do and have just done. So stop your whinging about people disregarding NASA.

I fail to see any validity in your argument.....I do not disregard any science I am just careful about whose advise I accept.....I must accept that NASA and the CSIRO are more qualified than some unknown people from a skeptic web site that will not subject its findings for scientific peer review in any other publication other than their own.....You can feel free to believe what ever you like and disregard every other organization apart from the one that supports your opinion....That is called ignorance and you are entitled to be so inclined!!!

You just disregarded the peer reviewed science I put on here with a failed excuse on why it wasnt good enough. You and the stupid guy from an earlier post.

Then you go on with your church of climatolgy statement that we can only believe NASA, you know, the reputable science. Cheesy

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Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss
Reply #118 - Feb 7^th, 2012 at 1:57pm

red baron wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 1:28pm:

Carbon Dioxide is not the bad guy and it is a scientific fact that the overwhelming source of CO2 come from the planet itself and are not 'man made'.

True, but that has nothing to do with climate change.
Climate change is the influence of man adding x% to the carbon cycle
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Further, CO2 is a building blocks of life and without it life would cease to exist.

True, but that fact has nothing to do with climate change.
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As I have said before mankind has an over exaggerated perception of how it is affecting this planet. Overwhelmingly, it is Mother Nature who will decide this planet's future.

Both have an impact. We can control one (man), so lets do it.
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I get angry because the Climate Crowd have changed its title from Global Warming to Climate Change after running up the white flag and conceding that the planet has been cooling for over 100 years.

Clutching at straws much? Climate change and global warming are using interchangable. Climate change is causing the globe to warm. Do a google new search of "global warming". Its referenced everywhere.
It has not been cooling for 100 years, where do you come up with such rubbish ?
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Now it's Climate Change, I am not buying what vested Global Interests want. That is, that we should pay for 'fresh air'. In fact we will be paying for nothing of the kind.

The big polluters in Australia will buy Carbon Credits on the International stage and not a damned thing will change as far as them dirtying up our Country.

Rubish. Why pay for polution rights, when you can just reduce pollution ?
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I will say some big responsible companies are making a change to better practice with pollution. I applaud them for that.

Why, you dont think their are doing anything wrong?
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But the big Global Con Job is on and as I said it is the 'big banks and stock brokers'' wet dream, money for fresh air...for absolutely nothing.

Of course it is. Get you tin hat on. I supposed FX markets are a con, Share markets, futures ?

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Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss
Reply #119 - Feb 7^th, 2012 at 2:26pm

Well isn't this timely for the climate church followers who smuggly say only NASA ect are reputable and throw away any and all other peer reviewed science.

German news translated. Circulation of 16million readers. Devoting half of page 2.

“THE CO2 LIES … pure fear-mongering … should we blindly trust the experts?”

http://notrickszone.com/2012/02/06/body-blow-to-german-global-warming-movement-m...

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