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$4 billion black hole in Abbott's "aspirations"
Feb 2nd, 2012 at 12:17pm
 

http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/02/02/repealing-a-tax-will-save-4b-er-no-tony-abbo...

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Don’t look now, but there’s another hole in the Coalition’s numbers. But don’t worry, it’s only $4 billion. “Finding savings is a big task but we’re up for it and will release all our costings in good time for the next election,” Tony Abbott declared at the Press Club on Tuesday. He went on to say:

    “Not proceeding with the carbon tax would deliver $31 billion in savings over the forward estimates period with a net improvement of $4 billion in the budget bottom line.”

The $31 billion figure, of course, is what will be spent by way of free permits and compensation under the scheme; Abbott failed to note that not proceeding with the carbon tax would also lose about $27 billion in revenue, but no matter.

But his numbers are now wrong. The net cost of $4 billion was revised back to $3.3 billion in MYEFO, which adjusted the costs of household compensation and, crucially, shifted even more expenditure associated with the package into this financial year as part of Wayne Swan’s pea-and-thimble trick to shore up next year’s surplus.

As a result, there’s a net $3.3 billion in savings only from the carbon pricing package over the forward estimates, not $4 billion. And $3.1 billion of that is being spent this year. So Abbott’s $4 billion in savings is actually $3.3 billion and only available if somehow he gets into office before June 30 and halts compensation payments.

In fact even if the Coalition wins an election held in the second half of 2013, it won’t be able to save a single cent, because the net spending associated with the carbon pricing package will have been completed by the time the Coalition could repeal it — assuming they could do so without a double dissolution election, before July 2014. And that’s actually the point where the carbon pricing package starts returning money to the budget, rather than costing money.

The funny thing is, Abbott continues to call the carbon pricing package a tax but in the same sentence says that repealing it would save the government money — unlike any other tax in history.

Of course, if he’d picked up the excellent point made by South Australian senator Simon Birmingham about why the government continues to refuse to reveal the fiscal implications of the package beyond the forward estimates, when it did the same for the CPRS out to 2020, he’d have been on much safer ground.


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Re: $4 billion black hole in Abbott's "aspirations"
Reply #1 - Feb 2nd, 2012 at 1:03pm
 
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The funny thing is, Abbott continues to call the carbon pricing package a tax but in the same sentence says that repealing it would save the government money — unlike any other tax in history.


Crikey -> like any Leftist commentator fails to understand cause and effect.  Revenues lost from driving business off shore will far outshine $4 Billion

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Reply #2 - Feb 2nd, 2012 at 1:04pm
 
This from a government that predicted a 1.5% surplus every year in the budget since 2007 and have never achieved it?

This is from a government that seems to underestimate their own costs and over-inflate the Coalition's costs - and they are wrong on both accounts

You are worried about a fairy tale $4B blackhole but have little to nothing to say about the $30B cost blow out of the NBN, wastage BER of $16B, $42B stimulus that did nothing, close to $250B in debt and Pink Batts of $2.7B not to mention "There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead"

Not a squeak over the above but you are salivating over this $4B figure?
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Reply #3 - Feb 2nd, 2012 at 1:08pm
 
We are now $137 Billion in the red thanks to Labor.
Factor in the $22 Billion surplus Howard left behind then makes it $159 Billion Labor has piddled away on crap.
Abbott can fart $4 Billion.
Who cares.
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Reply #4 - Feb 2nd, 2012 at 1:54pm
 
Please. Quote leftard crikey. Stuff that.

The article has zero merit.
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Reply #5 - Feb 2nd, 2012 at 1:56pm
 
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 2nd, 2012 at 1:08pm:
We are now $137 Billion in the red thanks to Labor.







Does the term "GFC stimulus" ring a bell ?


You want to talk GFC debt - talk UK and USA

The DIFFERENCE with Australia's situation is that it WORKED - due to RAPID ACTION

It is around the LOWEST debt - in relation to GDP

Australia was the ONLY OECD member NEVER to have gone into recession

It gave the LOWEST rate of unemployment in the developed world

( ... around HALF that of the UK and US - and around a quarter of the "basket case" that is the EU)

Australia's economy is the ENVY of the world

Show us a similar model of economy that is in better shape than Australia's




( ... and forget the old mining boom "furphy" - which accounts for less than 5% of GDP)






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Reply #6 - Feb 2nd, 2012 at 2:01pm
 
$4 billion black hole in Abbott's "aspirations"

There were very good reasons why Howard and Costello wouldn't let Abbott anywhere near the economy.
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buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 2nd, 2012 at 1:56pm:
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 2nd, 2012 at 1:08pm:
We are now $137 Billion in the red thanks to Labor.





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Does the term "GFC stimulus" ring a bell ?




Yes it does.

It is a large future income tax increase.


Labor borrow so that they don't have to increase taxes to fund their pork barrelling policies.

All Labor Governments in States and Territories and Federally do this.  They spend at every opportunity until things are ultimately stuffed. Sad
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Reply #8 - Feb 2nd, 2012 at 2:05pm
 
Swagman wrote on Feb 2nd, 2012 at 2:02pm:
buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 2nd, 2012 at 1:56pm:
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 2nd, 2012 at 1:08pm:
We are now $137 Billion in the red thanks to Labor.





[size=14]

Does the term "GFC stimulus" ring a bell ?




Yes it does.

[b]It is a large future income tax increase.


Labor borrow so that they don't have to increase taxes to fund their pork barrelling policies.

All Labor Governments in States and Territories and Federally do this.  They spend at every opportunity until things are ultimately stuffed. Sad

No they leave it up to liberals to fix and we the people to pay for.
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Reply #9 - Feb 2nd, 2012 at 2:05pm
 
Less than 5% hey?

Best you tell dfat they have it wrong and their figure is a furphy.

www.dfat.gov.au/facts/resources_sector.html
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During that period, the minerals and petroleum industries produced over eight per cent of Australia's GDP


Yes I know they are 2007 figures but it remains around the same.
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Reply #10 - Feb 2nd, 2012 at 2:13pm
 
blackadder wrote on Feb 2nd, 2012 at 2:05pm:
Less than 5% hey?

Best you tell dfat they have it wrong and their figure is a furphy.

www.dfat.gov.au/facts/resources_sector.html
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During that period, the minerals and petroleum industries produced over eight per cent of Australia's GDP




Yes

Less than 5%

Petroleum has been a long term CONSTANT ( ... which I didn't mention)

The current MINERAL boom accounts for less than 5%



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www.isf.uts.edu.au/.../giurcoetal2010peakmineralsreview.pdf
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Civil Engineering (Monash University), March 2010. ..... Mining represented approximately 7.7% of Australia's GDP in 2008-09 and combined mineral and ...
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blackadder wrote on Feb 2nd, 2012 at 2:19pm:
www.isf.uts.edu.au/.../giurcoetal2010peakmineralsreview.pdf
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View
Civil Engineering (Monash University), March 2010. ..... Mining represented approximately 7.7% of Australia's GDP in 2008-09 and combined mineral and ...





As a distraction you COULD quibble over 1 or 2% fluctuations till "daisy" comes home ...

What you CAN'T do is deny economic reality






buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 2nd, 2012 at 1:56pm:
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 2nd, 2012 at 1:08pm:
We are now $137 Billion in the red thanks to Labor.







Does the term "GFC stimulus" ring a bell ?


You want to talk GFC debt - talk UK and USA

The DIFFERENCE with Australia's situation is that it WORKED - due to RAPID ACTION

It is around the LOWEST debt - in relation to GDP

Australia was the ONLY OECD member NEVER to have gone into recession

It gave the LOWEST rate of unemployment in the developed world

( ... around HALF that of the UK and US - and around a quarter of the "basket case" that is the EU)

Australia's economy is the ENVY of the world

Show us a similar model of economy that is in better shape than Australia's
i






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buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 2nd, 2012 at 2:33pm:
Show us a similar model of economy that is in better shape than Australia's





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