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Re: Islamic Tolerance in Egypt
Reply #30 - Feb 2nd, 2012 at 7:40pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 2nd, 2012 at 7:36pm:
Does it include the quote by that British Muslim leader who told the press that it is wrong to kill innocents, then later told his following that westerners cannot be considered innocent?



It says the MB were horrified by the attack. That's pretty clear, isn't it?


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Reply #31 - Feb 2nd, 2012 at 7:59pm
 
About as clear as saying that it is wrong to kill innocents. There are plenty of wrong reasons to be horrified.
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Reply #32 - Feb 2nd, 2012 at 9:58pm
 
There is nothing they could have done that would have satisfied you and people like you.

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Reply #33 - Feb 2nd, 2012 at 10:16pm
 
There are more important things than satisfying me. Preventing it from happening again is at the top of the list.
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Re: Islamic Tolerance in Egypt
Reply #34 - Feb 3rd, 2012 at 8:40am
 
freediver wrote on Feb 2nd, 2012 at 7:59pm:
About as clear as saying that it is wrong to kill innocents. There are plenty of wrong reasons to be horrified.


Unless they're innocent Palestinians. Right FD? Your all for the murder of innocent Palestinians...you've said so many times....
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Reply #35 - Feb 3rd, 2012 at 8:41am
 
freediver wrote on Feb 2nd, 2012 at 10:16pm:
There are more important things than satisfying me. Preventing it from happening again is at the top of the list.


Stop attacking muslims and invading muslim lands, and they won't need to defend themselves.

Do you think you can manage that?
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Reply #36 - Feb 3rd, 2012 at 8:42am
 
quote me
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Reply #37 - Feb 3rd, 2012 at 8:53am
 
Why should I? We all know its true.....
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Re: Islamic Tolerance in Egypt
Reply #38 - Feb 3rd, 2012 at 9:30am
 
Annie Anthrax wrote on Feb 2nd, 2012 at 7:29pm:
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Islamic Statements Against Terrorism
Mustafa Mashhur, General Guide, Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt; Qazi Hussain Ahmed, Ameer, Jamaat-e-Islami Pakistan, Pakistan; Muti Rahman Nizami, Ameer, Jamaat-e-Islami Bangladesh, Bangladesh; Shaykh Ahmad Yassin, Founder, Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas), Palestine; Rashid Ghannoushi, President, Nahda Renaissance Movement, Tunisia; Fazil Nour, President, PAS – Parti Islam SeMalaysia, Malaysia; and 40 other Muslim scholars and politicians:



“The undersigned, leaders of Islamic movements, are horrified by the events of Tuesday 11 September 2001 in the United States which resulted in massive killing, destruction

and attack on innocent lives.

We express our deepest sympathies and sorrow. We condemn, in the strongest terms, the incidents, which are against all human and Islamic norms. This is

grounded in the Noble Laws of Islam which forbid all forms of attacks on innocents.

God Almighty says in the Holy Qur’an: ‘No bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another’ (Surah al-Isra 17:15).




http://kurzman.unc.edu/islamic-statements-against-terrorism/





Dictionary;
sophistry = = the use of fallacious arguments, especially to deceive.





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'Islamic Statements Against Terrorism' are....
".....grounded in the Noble Laws of Islam which forbid all forms of attacks on innocents."



Yes, moslems concede, that some moslems [i.e. 'innocent' persons] were killed in the 9/11 attacks.

And that 'consequence' is very, very, wrong.
/sarc off

.......as per 'the Noble Laws of Islam'.


"......If a man kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell, to abide therein (For ever): And the wrath and the curse of Allah are upon him, and a dreadful penalty is prepared for him."
Koran 4.92-93


But then again, good moslems have the doctrinal 'let out', if they 'accidentally' kill fellow moslems in 'Jihad operations' against the 'guilty' people, infidels;

"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."

ISLAMIC scholar, Sayyid Qutb.i
Google;
muslims, can infidels be innocents?

A.
No.

Because an infidel is always a 'guilty' person, for not believing in Allah,
i.e. for the 'crime' of not being a moslem.

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Re: Islamic Tolerance in Egypt
Reply #39 - Feb 3rd, 2012 at 9:38am
 
FD, do you think that all Muslims support the 9/11 attacks or terrorism in general?
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Re: Islamic Tolerance in Egypt
Reply #40 - Feb 3rd, 2012 at 9:53am
 
Annie Anthrax wrote on Feb 3rd, 2012 at 9:38am:

FD, do you think that all Muslims support the 9/11 attacks or terrorism in general?






"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #001.002.025







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All good moslems MUST support attacks which weaken Allah's enemies.

MUST
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Jihad, religious fighting, against 'unbelievers', is a 'religious' obligation upon all moslems.

Allah [Koran and Hadith] states that moslems who refuse, or who do not fulfil, their 'religious' obligations, ARE NOT moslems.

They are regarded by Allah, as infidels.





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"O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter.
Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For Allah hath power over all things."
Koran 9.38, 39

"Those who believe in Allah and the Last Day ask thee for no exemption from fighting...And Allah knoweth well those who do their duty."
Koran 9.44

"Fighting [against unbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."   
Koran 9.123

"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods;....they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:..."
Koran 9.111


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Fighting and dying for Allah's cause, is glorious, and is encouraged.

A small sample...

The Hadith;

"The Prophet said, "Nobody who dies and finds good from Allah (in the Hereafter) would wish to come back to this world even if he were given the whole world and whatever is in it, except the martyr who, on seeing the superiority of martyrdom, would like to come back to the world and get killed again (in Allah's Cause)." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.053

"The Prophet said, "By Him in Whose Hands my life is! Were it not for some men amongst the believers who dislike to be left behind me and whom I cannot provide with means of conveyance, I would certainly never remain behind any Sariya' (army-unit) setting out in Allah's Cause. By Him in Whose Hands my life is! I would love to be martyred in Allah's Cause and then get resurrected and then get martyred, and then get resurrected again and then get martyred and then get resurrected again and then get martyred."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.054

"The Prophet said, "Nobody who enters Paradise likes to go back to the world even if he got everything on the earth, except a Mujahid who wishes to return to the world so that he may be martyred ten times because of the dignity he receives (from Allah)." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.072

"I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The example of a Mujahid [religious fighter] in Allah's Cause-- and Allah knows better who really strives in His Cause----is like a person who fasts and prays continuously. Allah guarantees that He will admit the Mujahid in His Cause into Paradise if he is killed, otherwise He will return him to his home safely with rewards and war booty." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.046

i.e. Muhammad is reported as saying that for a moslem, religious fighting, is the same as a religious devotion.
Jihad [religious fighting], is as if a muslim 'fasts and prays continuously'.
And that Allah guarantees that a Mujahid [religious fighter] will enter Paradise, if he is killed.


"A man came to the Prophet and asked, "A man fights for war booty; another fights for fame and a third fights for showing off; which of them fights in Allah's Cause?" The Prophet said, "He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.065
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.080i

"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #001.002.025





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Re: Islamic Tolerance in Egypt
Reply #41 - Feb 3rd, 2012 at 10:06am
 
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"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #001.002.025



Yadda, as an expert on Islam you should know that jihad doesn't translate to 'religious fighting', especially not in the way you mean it.


I don't mind debating with you, Yadda, but your font changing and quoting requires too much energy to sort through. Just type normally.
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Reply #42 - Feb 3rd, 2012 at 11:15am
 
Annie Anthrax wrote on Feb 3rd, 2012 at 10:06am:
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"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #001.002.025



Yadda, as an expert on Islam


......you should know that jihad doesn't translate to 'religious fighting', especially not in the way you mean it.



I don't mind debating with you, Yadda, but your font changing and quoting requires too much energy to sort through. Just type normally.




Oh really ?






Excuse me Annie,

But i did NOT insert those words ['religious fighting'] into teh Hadith text.





The moslem authorised Hadith text reads;

Quote:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." The questioner again asked, "What is the next (in goodness)?" He replied, "To perform Hajj (Pilgrim age to Mecca) 'Mubrur, (which is accepted by Allah and is performed with the intention of seeking Allah's pleasure only and not to show off and without committing a sin and in accordance with the traditions of the Prophet)."




here is a valid link, to that moslem authorised Hadith text.....
http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/002-sbt.php#001.002.026



Those words, and that Hadith text, are on a moslem authorised site.

Authorised by who ???

Authorised by the US Muslim Students' Association.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Students%27_Association



p.s.

I incorrectly quoted hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #001.002.025

It should have been, hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #001.002.026

http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/002-sbt.php#001.002.026


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Re: Islamic Tolerance in Egypt
Reply #43 - Feb 3rd, 2012 at 12:27pm
 
Annie Anthrax wrote on Feb 3rd, 2012 at 9:38am:
FD, do you think that all Muslims support the 9/11 attacks or terrorism in general?


No. I think that even out of those Muslims who might support the return to militant expansionism, most would recognise 9/11 and terrorism in general as a strategic blunder.
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Reply #44 - Feb 3rd, 2012 at 6:29pm
 
Yadda wrote on Feb 3rd, 2012 at 9:53am:
All good moslems MUST support attacks which weaken Allah's enemies.

MUST
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Yadda you like to make extrem statments without providing any evidence.

The Quran says: "...if they incline to peace, you also incline to it, and (put your) trust in God. Verily, He is the All-Hearer, the All-Knower."
[al-Anfal, v.61]


Prophet Muhammed forbid Muslims to kill women children, the elderly. He became angry when he learned that one pagan woman had accidentally been killed on the battlefield in the heat of battle.

The Prophet even forbid cuttting down the enemy's fruit trees or poisononig wells.

Prophet Muhammed is considered to be the best, Muslim, who others Muslims should look upon as example.

With this example, how can one possibly say with any sense of honesty "All good moslems MUST support attacks which weaken Allah's enemies"?
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