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Jan 27th, 2012 at 11:50pm
 
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Scots defy Cameron on vote for breakaway


SCOTTISH First Minister Alex Salmond has taken a formal step towards an independence referendum that the government hopes will secure a mandate for withdrawal from the United Kingdom within five years.

Mr Salmond's plan for the independence vote, including a date for the ballot, June 24, 2014, set the stage for what some in Britain describe as a high-stakes constitutional poker game pitting Mr Salmond against British Prime Minister David Cameron.

Mr Cameron insists only the British Parliament has the legal power to approve a referendum on the potential break-up of the union between England and Scotland, which was forged in 1707. He also says London, not Edinburgh, should set the terms and timing of the vote.
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Mr Salmond has rejected those positions, and on Wednesday set a May deadline for the conclusion of a public ''consultation'' on its terms.

He suggested Mr Cameron would have little choice but to bow to whatever format the Salmond government adopted.

''The terms of the referendum are for the Scottish Parliament and the people of Scotland to decide,'' Mr Salmond said in a parliamentary statement that was interrupted by applause from Scottish National Party MPs, whom he led last year to an election victory that opened the way for a new push for independence.

Likening Scotland in its bond with England to a trapped bird, he added: ''The bird has flown and cannot now be returned to its cage. I believe this journey represents the aspirations and the ambitions of the people of Scotland.''

Mr Salmond described the referendum plan as a move to retrieve the independence that Scottish kingdoms had defended for 1000 years before the merger that created the United Kingdom...

http://www.theage.com.au/world/scots-defy-cameron-on-vote-for-breakaway-20120126-1qjo8.html
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Reply #1 - Jan 28th, 2012 at 12:22am
 
Is that time again already???

Wow, time does fly, doesn't it....
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Reply #2 - Feb 4th, 2012 at 1:41pm
 
The last colonial empire on earth Brittan (sorry Great Brittan, sorry United Kingdom, ah sorry again Commonwealth..........) divided and occupied so many now it's time to be disintegrated itself.
Just wondering when British colony Australia will become independent?
Hm when was the last attempt? Certainly not John Howard's fake referendum.
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Reply #3 - Feb 4th, 2012 at 2:09pm
 
athos wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 1:41pm:
The last colonial empire on earth Brittan (sorry Great Brittan, sorry United Kingdom, ah sorry again Commonwealth..........) divided and occupied so many now it's time to be disintegrated itself.
Just wondering when British colony Australia will become independent?
Hm when was the last attempt? Certainly not John Howard's fake referendum.

It was not fake when I voted no.
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Reply #4 - Feb 4th, 2012 at 2:10pm
 
Good luck to the Scots, I hope they get their Independence back.

Lets hope Australia follows suit soon afterwards. Not likely withall the Monarchist a*selickers that dominate our politics, as if there is a Monarchist vote to suck up to.
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Reply #5 - Feb 4th, 2012 at 2:12pm
 
GoddyofOz wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 2:10pm:
Good luck to the Scots, I hope they get their Independence back.

Lets hope Australia follows suit soon afterwards. Not likely withall the Monarchist a*selickers that dominate our politics, as if there is a Monarchist vote to suck up to.


Don't worry Goddy...it'll happen in 1901....you just have to wait...
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Reply #6 - Feb 4th, 2012 at 2:44pm
 
The Scots are such a politically apathetic lot that there probably be too low a voter turnout for the result to be legally binding....
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Reply #7 - Feb 4th, 2012 at 4:49pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 2:12pm:
GoddyofOz wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 2:10pm:
Good luck to the Scots, I hope they get their Independence back.

Lets hope Australia follows suit soon afterwards. Not likely withall the Monarchist a*selickers that dominate our politics, as if there is a Monarchist vote to suck up to.


Don't worry Goddy...it'll happen in 1901....you just have to wait...


Except Australia didn't have its own flag, control of its own army, own head of state.

Anyway, Australia has been pretty much colonised by the US since WWII - just look at how many McDonalds there are around the place. Even Peter Garrett has stopped mentioning the US bases in Autralia.
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Reply #8 - Feb 4th, 2012 at 7:25pm
 
progressiveslol wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 2:09pm:
athos wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 1:41pm:
The last colonial empire on earth Brittan (sorry Great Brittan, sorry United Kingdom, ah sorry again Commonwealth..........) divided and occupied so many now it's time to be disintegrated itself.
Just wondering when British colony Australia will become independent?
Hm when was the last attempt? Certainly not John Howard's fake referendum.

It was not fake when I voted no.


Well I can understand, if you are a monarchist, you didn't have choice but to vote for only one option queen of England monarchy.
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Reply #9 - Feb 4th, 2012 at 7:34pm
 
GoddyofOz wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 2:10pm:
Good luck to the Scots, I hope they get their Independence back.

Lets hope Australia follows suit soon afterwards. Not likely withall the Monarchist a*selickers that dominate our politics, as if there is a Monarchist vote to suck up to.


You see the problem was that Howard's referendum was not about Monarchist and Republicans. It was actually a referendum to chose between Queen of England (why not queen of Denmark?) and a republic.
Formally masochistic Ausies "decided" to remain colonial subjects of English majesty.
Viva Pom's colony.
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Reply #10 - Feb 4th, 2012 at 7:43pm
 
falah wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 4:49pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 2:12pm:
GoddyofOz wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 2:10pm:
Good luck to the Scots, I hope they get their Independence back.

Lets hope Australia follows suit soon afterwards. Not likely withall the Monarchist a*selickers that dominate our politics, as if there is a Monarchist vote to suck up to.


Don't worry Goddy...it'll happen in 1901....you just have to wait...


Except Australia didn't have its own flag, control of its own army, own head of state.

Anyway, Australia has been pretty much colonised by the US since WWII - just look at how many McDonalds there are around the place. Even Peter Garrett has stopped mentioning the US bases in Autralia.


Own head of state??????????
Isn't it governor general, who represents the queen of England.
Just wondering who dismissed Gough Whitlam maybe some aliens from another planet.
And finally if Australia is not British colony why after John Howard's referendum country didn't chose own monarch.
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Reply #11 - Feb 4th, 2012 at 11:20pm
 
falah wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 4:49pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 2:12pm:
GoddyofOz wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 2:10pm:
Good luck to the Scots, I hope they get their Independence back.

Lets hope Australia follows suit soon afterwards. Not likely withall the Monarchist a*selickers that dominate our politics, as if there is a Monarchist vote to suck up to.


Don't worry Goddy...it'll happen in 1901....you just have to wait...


Except Australia didn't have its own flag, control of its own army, own head of state.

Anyway, Australia has been pretty much colonised by the US since WWII - just look at how many McDonalds there are around the place. Even Peter Garrett has stopped mentioning the US bases in Autralia.


Pardon???
Australian Flag, Australian Army, Australian Prime Minister....
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Reply #12 - Feb 5th, 2012 at 12:14am
 
falah wrote on Jan 27th, 2012 at 11:50pm:
Will Australia have to change its flag?

Given that the inclusion of the Union Jack in the Australian flag is a reference to our history, then I don't see why it should change, as our history is not being changed.

athos wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 7:43pm:
Own head of state??????????
Isn't it governor general, who represents the queen of England.
Just wondering who dismissed Gough Whitlam maybe some aliens from another planet.
And finally if Australia is not British colony why after John Howard's referendum country didn't chose own monarch.


There is no such person as the Queen of England.  Queen Elizabeth II is the Queen of the United Kingdom and Northern Ireland.  In Australia she is the Queen of Australia (and this is the office represented by the Governor-General) or more correctly, Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God Queen of Australia and Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth.

athos wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 7:34pm:
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You see the problem was that Howard's referendum was not about Monarchist and Republicans. It was actually a referendum to chose between Queen of England (why not queen of Denmark?) and a republic.
Formally masochistic Ausies "decided" to remain colonial subjects of English majesty.
Viva Pom's colony.


The referendum was to choose between Australia being a constitutional monarchy and being a republic.

You really should check your facts before posting this sort of garbage.
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Reply #13 - Feb 5th, 2012 at 1:01am
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 11:20pm:
Pardon???
Australian Flag, Australian Army, Australian Prime Minister....

The Australian flag was not the official flag at the time of Federation. In fact the current flag was only  formalised as such on 14 February 1954 when the head of state, Queen Elizabeth II, gave Royal Assent to the Flags Act 1953.



As for the army, the colonial forces were not unified until after Federation. The different units remained under states/colony until the Federal Government passed the  Defence Act of 1903. These forces were not allowed to serve overseas.

The AIF was formed in 1914. Australian soldiers remained under British command, and were considered fairly expendable as the mission to Galipolli demonstrates (Australian troops were also poorly equipped and supplied by the British). Australian soldiers served under the British flag.



It was not until John Curtin's government that Australia showed any independence from Britain, when Curtin diverted troops from being sent to fight Nazis to instead defend Australia from the Japanese (the British had abandoned Australia, Singapore and Malaya to the Japanese)
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Reply #14 - Feb 5th, 2012 at 2:19pm
 
Frances wrote on Feb 5th, 2012 at 12:14am:
falah wrote on Jan 27th, 2012 at 11:50pm:
Will Australia have to change its flag?

Given that the inclusion of the Union Jack in the Australian flag is a reference to our history, then I don't see why it should change, as our history is not being changed.

athos wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 7:43pm:
Own head of state??????????
Isn't it governor general, who represents the queen of England.
Just wondering who dismissed Gough Whitlam maybe some aliens from another planet.
And finally if Australia is not British colony why after John Howard's referendum country didn't chose own monarch.


There is no such person as the Queen of England.  Queen Elizabeth II is the Queen of the United Kingdom and Northern Ireland.  In Australia she is the Queen of Australia (and this is the office represented by the Governor-General) or more correctly, Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God Queen of Australia and Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth.

athos wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 7:34pm:
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You see the problem was that Howard's referendum was not about Monarchist and Republicans. It was actually a referendum to chose between Queen of England (why not queen of Denmark?) and a republic.
Formally masochistic Ausies "decided" to remain colonial subjects of English majesty.
Viva Pom's colony.


The referendum was to choose between Australia being a constitutional monarchy and being a republic.

You really should check your facts before posting this sort of garbage.


You are not answering my questions, rather talking to yourself:

1. if Australia is not British colony why after John Howard's referendum country didn't chose own monarch?.
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