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Reply #15 - Jan 28^th, 2012 at 10:15am

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 28^th, 2012 at 10:08am:

Capital punishment in cases like these is the most effective way to ensure these people aren't able to hurt anybody again. It enables victims to have complete closure. That is not revenge, it is a rational solution to a problem. Do you suggest that any penalty given by a judge is a form of revenge on behalf of the victim?

The death penalty is a safeguard for society against these people in the future. Vengeance is something completely different.

It's using violence to "solve" a problem.

That's the sign of a weak, uncivilised society.

" It epitomizes the tragic inefficacy and brutality of the resort to violence rather than reason for the solution of difficult social problems."

http://users.rcn.com/mwood/deathpen.html

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Reply #16 - Jan 28^th, 2012 at 3:00pm

The law cannot busy itself with protecting us from serial rapists while there 12 year-old girls that need to be strip-searched:

Child strip-searched twice in Hobart
(because once is not enough?)

Tasmanian police have confirmed they twice strip-searched a 12-year-old girl during a drug raid on Hobart's eastern shore.

Police arrived at a house in Rokeby on Wednesday morning with a warrant to search for methylamphetamines.

They seized drugs and cash.

Inspector Glenn Lathey says that during the raid the girl was twice searched by female officers in a bedroom in the presence of her mother.

Police say the law allows for children to be strip-searched.

The Lawyers Alliance President, Greg Barns, has described the actions of police as disturbing.

He says the case highlights the need for new legislation.

"It confirms why Tasmania desperately needs a Human Rights Act to protect the rights of vulnerable people against these sorts of actions," he said.

No charges will be laid against the girl...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-01-28/child-strip-searched-twice-in-hobart/3798006

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Reply #17 - Jan 28^th, 2012 at 4:19pm

Uncle Meat wrote on Jan 28^th, 2012 at 12:29am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 28^th, 2012 at 12:15am:

no penalties[/highlight]..

You seem to think that life in prison is not a penalty.

I'm not sure where you got that idea from.

There's no place is a civilised society for capital punishment.

It's barbaric act of revenge, not justice.

It shouldn't be the only penalty....
Prison (or indeed any punishment) loses it's effectiveness when it becomes level for all crimes....Do you think that murderers and rapists are frightened of prison, when the sentences given are similar to those for drink driving, burlgary, fraud and non-payment of parking tickets???

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Reply #18 - Jan 28^th, 2012 at 4:22pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 28^th, 2012 at 4:19pm:

....Do you think that murderers and rapists are frightened of prison, when the sentences given are similar to those for drink driving, burlgary, fraud and non-payment of parking tickets???

I don't think they give it any consideration at all.

“I am not convinced that capital punishment, in and of itself, is a deterrent to crime because most people do not think about the death penalty before they commit a violent or capital crime.”
– Willie L. Williams, Police Chief, Los Angeles, CA

http://www.nodeathpenaltywi.org/PDF/Deterrence%20Fact%20Sheet%209%2020%2006.pdf

The death penalty is not a deterrent.

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Reply #19 - Jan 28^th, 2012 at 4:27pm

Uncle Meat wrote on Jan 28^th, 2012 at 10:15am:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 28^th, 2012 at 10:08am:

Capital punishment in cases like these is the most effective way to ensure these people aren't able to hurt anybody again. It enables victims to have complete closure. That is not revenge, it is a rational solution to a problem. Do you suggest that any penalty given by a judge is a form of revenge on behalf of the victim?

The death penalty is a safeguard for society against these people in the future. Vengeance is something completely different.

It's using violence to "solve" a problem.

That's the sign of a weak, uncivilised society.
" It epitomizes the tragic inefficacy and brutality of the resort to violence rather than reason for the solution of difficult social problems."

http://users.rcn.com/mwood/deathpen.html

Not holding people responsible for their crimes is the sign of a weak and dying society....

If a dog attacks a child...the dog is killed...and there's no argument about it...
The dog isn't killed for fun, or revenge, it's kill to prevent a recurrence of the same behaviour.
But when a person commits the most violent, evil and vicious crimes, and shows no remorse, and every indication of doing it again...people get all soppy, moralistic and pitying about the perpetrator and his/her 'rights'....

What about the rights of the victims, and the future victims????...They're the ones we should be fighting to protect, not the sociopaths, psychopaths, and straight out evil bastards...

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Reply #20 - Jan 28^th, 2012 at 4:34pm

Uncle Meat wrote on Jan 28^th, 2012 at 10:15am:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 28^th, 2012 at 10:08am:

Capital punishment in cases like these is the most effective way to ensure these people aren't able to hurt anybody again. It enables victims to have complete closure. That is not revenge, it is a rational solution to a problem. Do you suggest that any penalty given by a judge is a form of revenge on behalf of the victim?

The death penalty is a safeguard for society against these people in the future. Vengeance is something completely different.

It's using violence to "solve" a problem.

That's the sign of a weak, uncivilised society.

" It epitomizes the tragic inefficacy and brutality of the resort to violence rather than reason for the solution of difficult social problems."

http://users.rcn.com/mwood/deathpen.html

What happens when a prisoner is not compliant? Violence is a way of life in the prison system, and not just inmate against inmate. It is used as a tool by the prison system to keep prisoners in line all the time.

Deprivation of liberty is itself a violent act, according to WHO.

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Reply #21 - Jan 28^th, 2012 at 5:38pm

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A US man has been sentenced to die for killing a woman and her two daughters during a night of terror in their suburban home, a crime that halted momentum to abolish the death penalty in the state of Connecticut.

The two paroled burglars tormented a family of four in an affluent suburb before killing Jennifer Hawke-Petit and leaving her daughters, 17-year-old Hayley and 11-year-old Michaela, to die in a fire.

The only survivor, Dr William Petit, was beaten with a baseball bat and tied up but escaped.

Joshua Komisarjevsky Hayes was convicted in 2010 of raping and strangling Hawke-Petit and killing the girls. The girls were tied to their beds and doused in gasoline before the house was set ablaze; they died of smoke inhalation. Komisarjevsky was convicted of the killings and of sexually assaulting Michaela.

The girl he sexually assaulted before killing was 11.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jan/27/connecticut-home-invasion-death-sent...

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Reply #22 - Jan 28^th, 2012 at 6:27pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 28^th, 2012 at 5:38pm:

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A US man has been sentenced to die for killing a woman and her two daughters during a night of terror in their suburban home, a crime that halted momentum to abolish the death penalty in the state of Connecticut.

The two paroled burglars tormented a family of four in an affluent suburb before killing Jennifer Hawke-Petit and leaving her daughters, 17-year-old Hayley and 11-year-old Michaela, to die in a fire.

The only survivor, Dr William Petit, was beaten with a baseball bat and tied up but escaped.

Joshua Komisarjevsky Hayes was convicted in 2010 of raping and strangling Hawke-Petit and killing the girls. The girls were tied to their beds and doused in gasoline before the house was set ablaze; they died of smoke inhalation. Komisarjevsky was convicted of the killings and of sexually assaulting Michaela.

The girl he sexually assaulted before killing was 11.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jan/27/connecticut-home-invasion-death-sent...

Makes you wonder about his own daughter.....she might be in need of counselling....

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Reply #24 - Jan 29^th, 2012 at 5:39am

Our gaols are overcrowded as it is and this is why so many people are released rather than imprisoned for life. It's obvious as Annie said that many of these criminals are beyond rehabilitation.

Perhaps we should become like the US where they have 2.3 million prisoners. Prisons are big business over there and some places can feed the inmates for 20 cents a day meaning huge profits for those who run them.

We are too lax here - but then we've got no idea how to run a gaol economically. It's easier and cheaper to release these people back into society.

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Reply #25 - Jan 29^th, 2012 at 8:12am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 28^th, 2012 at 4:27pm:

Not holding people responsible for their crimes is the sign of a weak and dying society....

I'm not suggesting that people shouldn't be held responsible for their crimes.

Capital punishment is not the only way to hold them responsible.

A civilised society finds more appropriate solutions, rather than resorting to violence and state-sanctioned killing.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 28^th, 2012 at 4:27pm:

What about the rights of the victims, and the future victims????...They're the ones we should be fighting to protect, not the sociopaths, psychopaths, and straight out evil bastards...

That's correct; I have no interest in the rights of the criminals. I am simply opposed to state-sanctioned killings.

The death penalty is a sign of a failing, uncivilised society.

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Reply #26 - Jan 29^th, 2012 at 8:26am

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Perhaps we should become like the US where they have 2.3 million prisoners. Prisons are big business over there and some places can feed the inmates for 20 cents a day meaning huge profits for those who run them.

There was a case a few years ago in the US where judges were sentenced for sending children to prison unnecessarily and keeping them there indefinitely.

They were being bribed by the prisons themselves because the state paid a certain amount per child. The judges were effectively getting a commission on the amount of kids sentenced.

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Reply #27 - Jan 29^th, 2012 at 10:48am

falah wrote on Jan 27^th, 2012 at 10:12pm:

Australian Law pathetic?

Not only do they refuse to give him the death penalty, but they let him out of jail!

Australian law is superior to Sharia law because we dont throw rape victims in jail.

Do you think we should throw rape victims in jail like they do under Islamic law Falah?

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British woman arested in Dubai after being raped
A 23 year old British woman on holiday in Dubai told police she had been rape,only to be arrested herself for having illegal sexual intercourse

A woman needs 4 male witnesses to prove she has been raped under Islamic law.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/dubai/6949008/British-woman...
A woman reported being raped and they locked her boyfriend up as well for sex outside of marriage!

Another rape victim jailed under Islamic law-
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A Brisbane woman who claims to have been drugged and raped by co workers in Dubai plans to sue the commonwealth of Australia after she was jailed for adultery

http://www.smh.com.au/world/jailed-rape-victim-seeks-to-sue-commonwealth-2011060...

Sharia law is pathetic it jails rape victims !

As Sheik Hilaly said "If a woman is in her bedroom with the hijab on these (gang rape) disasters dont happen".

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Reply #28 - Jan 29^th, 2012 at 10:50am

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 29^th, 2012 at 8:26am:

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Perhaps we should become like the US where they have 2.3 million prisoners. Prisons are big business over there and some places can feed the inmates for 20 cents a day meaning huge profits for those who run them.

There was a case a few years ago in the US where judges were sentenced for sending children to prison unnecessarily and keeping them there indefinitely.

They were being bribed by the prisons themselves because the state paid a certain amount per child. The judges were effectively getting a commission on the amount of kids sentenced.

Got a cite for that Annie or did you pluck that from your ass?

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Reply #29 - Jan 29^th, 2012 at 10:57am

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 29^th, 2012 at 10:50am:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 29^th, 2012 at 8:26am:

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Perhaps we should become like the US where they have 2.3 million prisoners. Prisons are big business over there and some places can feed the inmates for 20 cents a day meaning huge profits for those who run them.

There was a case a few years ago in the US where judges were sentenced for sending children to prison unnecessarily and keeping them there indefinitely.

They were being bribed by the prisons themselves because the state paid a certain amount per child. The judges were effectively getting a commission on the amount of kids sentenced.

Got a cite for that Annie or did you pluck that from your ass?

Sounds like the "Kids For Cash" scandal.

"A former juvenile court judge has been sentenced to 28 years in prison for accepting over $1 million in bribe money to send children to for-profit detention centers in what has become known as the “kids for cash” scandal."

http://www.christianpost.com/news/kids-for-cash-scandal-judge-sentenced-to-28-ye...

"Ciavarella was found guilty in February of 12 of 39 racketeering and fraud charges for accepting millions of dollars in bribes from friends who owned detention centers to which he sent juveniles."

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-08-14/justice/pennsylvania.judge_1_ciavarella-kids-...

http://thetimes-tribune.com/news/settlement-under-scrutiny-in-kids-for-cash-scan...

I plucked that out of Google, by the way. Certainly not out of Annie's ass.

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