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Reply #30 - Jan 29th, 2012 at 11:55am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 29th, 2012 at 10:50am:
Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 29th, 2012 at 8:26am:
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Perhaps we should become like the US where they have 2.3 million prisoners. Prisons are big business over there and some places can feed the inmates for 20 cents a day meaning huge profits for those who run them.



There was a case a few years ago in the US where judges were sentenced for sending children to prison unnecessarily and keeping them there indefinitely.

They were being bribed by the prisons themselves because the state paid a certain amount per child. The judges were effectively getting a commission on the amount of kids sentenced.


Got a cite for that Annie or did you pluck that from your ass?



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A long-serving judge has been ordered to spend nearly 30 years in prison for his role in a bribery scandal that prompted the state's high court to overturn thousands of juvenile convictions.

Former Luzerne County Judge Mark Ciavarella Jr was sentenced on Thursday to 28 years in prison for taking $1m (£617,000) in bribes from the builder of two juvenile detention centres in a case that became known as "kids-for-cash".

The Pennsylvania supreme court overturned about 4,000 convictions issued by Ciavarella between 2003 and 2008, saying he violated the constitutional rights of the juveniles, including the right to legal counsel and the right to intelligently enter a plea.

Federal prosecutors accused Ciavarella and a second judge, Michael Conahan, of taking more than $2m in bribes from the builder of the PA Child Care and Western PA Child Care detention centres and extorting hundreds of thousands of dollars from the facilities' co-owner.

Ciavarella, known for his harsh and autocratic courtroom demeanour, filled the beds of the private lockups with children as young as 10, many of them first-time offenders convicted of petty theft and other minor crimes.



http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/11/kids-for-cash-judge-pennsylvania

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Reply #31 - Jan 29th, 2012 at 12:22pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 29th, 2012 at 10:48am:
Australian law is superior to Sharia law because we dont throw rape victims in jail.

Do you think we should throw rape victims in jail like they do under Islamic law Falah?

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British woman arested in Dubai after being raped
A 23 year old British woman on holiday in Dubai told police she had been rape,only to be arrested herself for having illegal sexual intercourse

A woman needs 4 male witnesses to prove she has been raped under Islamic law.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/dubai/6949008/British-woman...
A woman reported being raped and they locked her boyfriend up as well for sex outside of marriage!

Another rape victim jailed under Islamic law-
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A Brisbane woman who claims to have been drugged and raped by co workers in Dubai plans to sue the commonwealth of Australia after she was jailed for adultery

http://www.smh.com.au/world/jailed-rape-victim-seeks-to-sue-commonwealth-2011060...

Sharia law is pathetic it jails rape victims !



These are not simple rape cases, but involve the women intoxicating themselves beforehand which has confused the issue somewhat for the Dubai authorities.

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Despite approaching police about the attack, she was arrested after admitting to "illegal drinking" outside licensed premise


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Ms Gali spent eight months in a Dubai prison after the alleged assault by three co-workers while drinking at the resort bar in June 2008.



You have asserted that Islamic law orders the jailing of rape victims. Dubai is not run according to Islamic law, but rather a mixture of tradional and British law.


Any tourist to the country should notice this when they see that alcohol is readily available - contrary to Islamic law. (In fact, you only have to travel on their Emirates airline to see that they serve alcohol to passengers, which demonstrates the disregard for Islamic law by the government)

The highest scholars in Islam have said that a rape victim should not be punished, and that 4 witnesses are not required for a judge to punish a rapist.

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...The [Islamic] scholars are unanimously agreed that the rapist is to be subjected to the mandatory punishment [eg. stoning, crucifixion or flogging] if there is clear evidence against him that he deserves the mandatory punishment, or if he admits to that. Otherwise, he is to be punished (i.e., if there is not enough proof that the mandatory punishment for illicit sexual activity may be carried out against him because he does not confess, and there are not four witnesses, then the judge may punish him and stipulate a punishment that will deter him and others like him. There is no punishment for the woman if it is true that he forced her and overpowered her...)

[Saudi scholar Sheikh Muhammed Salih al-Munajjid]
http://islamqa.info/en/ref/72338

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Reply #32 - Jan 29th, 2012 at 1:06pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 29th, 2012 at 10:50am:
Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 29th, 2012 at 8:26am:
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Perhaps we should become like the US where they have 2.3 million prisoners. Prisons are big business over there and some places can feed the inmates for 20 cents a day meaning huge profits for those who run them.



There was a case a few years ago in the US where judges were sentenced for sending children to prison unnecessarily and keeping them there indefinitely.

They were being bribed by the prisons themselves because the state paid a certain amount per child. The judges were effectively getting a commission on the amount of kids sentenced.


Got a cite for that Annie or did you pluck that from your ass?



Despite Red Flags About Judges, a Kickback Scheme Flourished


Things were different in the Luzerne County juvenile courtroom, and everyone knew it. Proceedings on average took less than two minutes. Detention center workers were told in advance how many juveniles to expect at the end of each day — even before hearings to determine their innocence or guilt. Lawyers told families not to bother hiring them. They would not be allowed to speak anyway...

...Last month, the law caught up with Judge Mark A. Ciavarella Jr., 58, who ran that juvenile court for 12 years, and Judge Michael T. Conahan, 56, a colleague on the county’s Court of Common Pleas.

In what authorities are calling the biggest legal scandal in state history, the two judges pleaded guilty to tax evasion and wire fraud in a scheme that involved sending thousands of juveniles to two private detention centers in exchange for $2.6 million in kickbacks.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/28/us/28judges.html?_r=1


Lock 'Em Up


Jailing kids is a proud American tradition.


...What has drawn the media's attention, though, is the remarkable strictness of the judges' judging. Mr. Conahan's alleged partner in the scheme, Judge Mark Ciavarella Jr., reportedly sent kids to the private detention centers when probation officers didn't think it was a good idea; he sent kids there when their crimes were nonviolent; he sent kids there when their crimes were insignificant. It was as though he was determined to keep those private prisons filled with children at all times. According to news stories, offenses as small as swiping a jar of nutmeg or throwing a piece of steak at an adult were enough to merit a trip to the hoosegow.

Over the years Mr. Ciavarella racked up a truly awesome score: He sent kids to detention instead of other options at twice the state average, according to the New York Times. He tried a prodigious number of cases in which the accused child had no lawyer -- here, says the Times, the judge's numbers were fully 10 times the state average. And he did it fast, sometimes rendering a verdict "in the neighborhood of a minute-and-a-half to three minutes," according to the judge tasked with reconsidering Mr. Ciavarella's work...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123854010220075533.html
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Reply #33 - Jan 29th, 2012 at 3:04pm
 
falah wrote on Jan 29th, 2012 at 12:22pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 29th, 2012 at 10:48am:
Australian law is superior to Sharia law because we dont throw rape victims in jail.

Do you think we should throw rape victims in jail like they do under Islamic law Falah?

Quote:
British woman arested in Dubai after being raped
A 23 year old British woman on holiday in Dubai told police she had been rape,only to be arrested herself for having illegal sexual intercourse

A woman needs 4 male witnesses to prove she has been raped under Islamic law.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/dubai/6949008/British-woman...
A woman reported being raped and they locked her boyfriend up as well for sex outside of marriage!

Another rape victim jailed under Islamic law-
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A Brisbane woman who claims to have been drugged and raped by co workers in Dubai plans to sue the commonwealth of Australia after she was jailed for adultery

http://www.smh.com.au/world/jailed-rape-victim-seeks-to-sue-commonwealth-2011060...

Sharia law is pathetic it jails rape victims !



These are not simple rape cases, but involve the women intoxicating themselves beforehand which has confused the issue somewhat for the Dubai authorities.

Quote:
Despite approaching police about the attack, she was arrested after admitting to "illegal drinking" outside licensed premise


Quote:
Ms Gali spent eight months in a Dubai prison after the alleged assault by three co-workers while drinking at the resort bar in June 2008.



You have asserted that Islamic law orders the jailing of rape victims. Dubai is not run according to Islamic law, but rather a mixture of tradional and British law.


Any tourist to the country should notice this when they see that alcohol is readily available - contrary to Islamic law. (In fact, you only have to travel on their Emirates airline to see that they serve alcohol to passengers, which demonstrates the disregard for Islamic law by the government)

The highest scholars in Islam have said that a rape victim should not be punished, and that 4 witnesses are not required for a judge to punish a rapist.

Quote:
...The [Islamic] scholars are unanimously agreed that the rapist is to be subjected to the mandatory punishment [eg. stoning, crucifixion or flogging] if there is clear evidence against him that he deserves the mandatory punishment, or if he admits to that. Otherwise, he is to be punished (i.e., if there is not enough proof that the mandatory punishment for illicit sexual activity may be carried out against him because he does not confess, and there are not four witnesses, then the judge may punish him and stipulate a punishment that will deter him and others like him. There is no punishment for the woman if it is true that he forced her and overpowered her...)

[Saudi scholar Sheikh Muhammed Salih al-Munajjid]
http://islamqa.info/en/ref/72338



Riiight the girls were intoxicated so that makes it ok to rape them,Is that what you are saying Falah?

As for your Sheik does he say it is not a crime to rape your wife?
Do you think it is a crime to rape your wife Falah?


Why does this Islamic website say 4 trustworthy men are required unless the fornicator admits it?
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The crime of zina is not confirmed except if the fornicator admits it ,or with the testimoney of four trustworthy men,while the testimoney of women is not accepted
Source-http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?page=showfatwa&Option=FatwaId&Id=156...


How is the Al shabab run Somalia suit you Falah,Is it Islamic enough for you?
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A young woman recently stoned to death in Somalia pleaded for her life.
Dont kill me, dont kill me she said ,a few minutes later ,more than 50 men threw stones.

Human rights group Amnesty International says the victim was a 13 year old girl who had been raped.
Source- http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7708169.stm


Her family reported she had been raped so why did she get stoned to death Falah?
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Reply #34 - Jan 29th, 2012 at 7:23pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 29th, 2012 at 3:04pm:
Riiight the girls were intoxicated so that makes it ok to rape them,Is that what you are saying Falah?
No moron. That is not what I am saying.

In Islam, any sex outside of marriage is a major sin...Islamic law orders a mandatory sentence of a flogging or death depending on the marital status of the culprit.

What I am saying is that Dubai culture looks at drinking differently to Australian culture. Drinking is considered a sin. If someone gets so drunk that they end up getting raped by strangers, the authorities feel that the deterrent to public intoxication needs to be made.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 29th, 2012 at 3:04pm:
As for your Sheik does he say it is not a crime to rape your wife?
Do you think it is a crime to rape your wife Falah?


The sheikh does not say "it is OK to rape your wife". He is saying that a good woman does not reject her husbands sexual needs. This is common sense, and helps to maintain the marital relationship.

If you look carefully the second half of the video, the sheikh is talking about Western laws encourages women to reject their husbands sexual needs - which is stupid because it harms the marital relationship, and could lead to the husband seeeking extra-marital affairs.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 29th, 2012 at 3:04pm:
Why does this Islamic website say 4 trustworthy men are required unless the fornicator admits it?
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The crime of zina is not confirmed except if the fornicator admits it ,or with the testimoney of four trustworthy men,while the testimoney of women is not accepted


That is for the mandatory sentence for adultery and fornication in Islamic law - not rape. In the case of rape, the victims testimony could be enough, but the punishments are not mandatory - the judge has more discretion over the punishment. In some cases a rapist could be crucified or face double amputation or imprisonment.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 29th, 2012 at 3:04pm:
How is the Al shabab run Somalia suit you Falah,Is it Islamic enough for you?
[quote]A young woman recently stoned to death in Somalia pleaded for her life.
Dont kill me, dont kill me she said ,a few minutes later ,more than 50 men threw stones.

Human rights group Amnesty International says the victim was a 13 year old girl who had been raped.
Source- http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7708169.stm


Her family reported she had been raped so why did she get stoned to death Falah?


Yes the BBC keeps saying that she was 13 despite the Shabab Government and civilian witnesses saying she was actually 23:

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Residents report said that the woman whose name Aisha Ibrahim that was 23 years old was stoned...
http://allafrica.com/stories/200810271851.html


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"Our sister Aisha asked the Islamic Sharia court in Kismayo to be charged and punished for the crime she committed," local Islamist leader Sheikh Hayakallah told the crowd.

"She was asked several times to review her confession, but she stressed that she wanted Sharia law and the deserved punishment to apply."

The execution was carried in one of the city's main squares.
http://www.iol.co.za/news/africa/somali-woman-stoned-to-death-1.422043
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Reply #35 - Jan 29th, 2012 at 7:33pm
 
He,s done his time, don't try to make this like the ridicously situation in other countrys

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Reply #36 - Jan 30th, 2012 at 4:30pm
 
I'd be willing to bet that his victims got a life sentence. He should too (at the very least).
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Reply #37 - Jan 30th, 2012 at 5:26pm
 
warrigal wrote on Jan 29th, 2012 at 7:33pm:
He,s done his time, don't try to make this like the ridicously situation in other countrys

Public linchings



If Australia was truly democratic, I think that violent serial rapists would be executed.
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Reply #38 - Jan 30th, 2012 at 5:49pm
 
falah wrote on Jan 30th, 2012 at 5:26pm:
warrigal wrote on Jan 29th, 2012 at 7:33pm:
He,s done his time, don't try to make this like the ridicously situation in other countrys

Public linchings



If Australia was truly democratic, I think that violent serial rapists would be executed.



Outdated, barbaric acts of state-sanctioned killing have absolutely nothing to do with democracy.
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Reply #39 - Jan 31st, 2012 at 8:42pm
 
Uncle Meat wrote on Jan 30th, 2012 at 5:49pm:
Outdated, barbaric acts of state-sanctioned killing have absolutely nothing to do with democracy.

In a lot of countries, the majority of people support the death penalty.

Like the US:

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Reply #40 - Jan 31st, 2012 at 9:52pm
 
falah wrote on Jan 31st, 2012 at 8:42pm:
Uncle Meat wrote on Jan 30th, 2012 at 5:49pm:
Outdated, barbaric acts of state-sanctioned killing have absolutely nothing to do with democracy.

In a lot of countries, the majority of people support the death penalty.

Like the US:

http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms...



A lot of countries are full of crazy people.

Like the US.

Capital punishment is an outdated, barbaric act.
There's no place in a civilised society for state-sanctioned killing.
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Reply #41 - Feb 1st, 2012 at 9:50pm
 
falah wrote on Jan 31st, 2012 at 8:42pm:
Uncle Meat wrote on Jan 30th, 2012 at 5:49pm:
Outdated, barbaric acts of state-sanctioned killing have absolutely nothing to do with democracy.

In a lot of countries, the majority of people support the death penalty.

Like the US:


Many states have abolished the death penalty in the USA falah,current talk is to do away with it altogether.

The last person executed here was Ronald Ryan about 45 years ago.

If you behave like an animal we lock you in a cage like an animal and stamp -
'NEVER TO BE RELEASED' on your papers.

Jail is very difficult for child molestors and rapists,criminals have kids as well they dont like people who take advantage of kids and these 2 crimes make you the lowest of the low lifes in jail.

The Pakistani gang rapists thought they could rape young girls because they were not wearing the hijab they did some terrible things.
Two of them were bashed in jail and one hung himself with a bed sheet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashfield_gang_rapes

Sharia law gives you this - Al Shabab would be Sunni Islam Falah?
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A Somali woman of 20 has been stoned to death after admitting she had an affair,an Islamic militantjudge said today.
The woman was a divorcee-but even though she was no longer married,her affair was seen as adultery.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1228956/Somali-woman-20-stoned-death-Isl...

Would stoning consenting adults to death be what you consider the superior morality of Islam falah?
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Reply #42 - Feb 2nd, 2012 at 10:43am
 
often, I have heard the phrase America has lost its moral compass. However, an overwhelming majority think that adultery is wrong:

US attitude on adultery:

...virtually no one advocates adultery.

In fact, a majority of those surveyed in national polls continue to voice strong disapproval.

A 1989 survey from the Kinsey Institute for Sex Research at Indiana University showed 87 percent of 3,000 respondents describing extramarital sex as ``always wrong`` or ``almost always wrong.`'...

Divorce attorney Mitchelson says that in 34 years of practice he has seen adultery lose its stigma. ``I think it is a reflection of a society that has a lot fewer moral dictates than we used to have,`` he says. ``We treat marriage as something you can go in and out of.``

``There`s been a real change in the climate,`` says Weiner, co-author of a book about adultery called Stale-Mate. ``There`s no longer such a sense of being judged by the outside world. There`s a sense that you`re entitled to a good life, that you only go around once, that life is hard and that you should grab all the pleasure you can get.``

Therapists like Weiner point to their clients as a gauge of changing attitudes. When she began her practice 26 years ago, Weiner says, her patients would see her for months before discussing an affair. ``Now they come in, sit down, and tell me in the first session that they`re seeing someone. I have never seen so many people talk about affairs as they are now.``

Weiner offers the example of a friend, who was considering marrying an older man. ``The sex isn`t so great,`` her friend told her. ``But she said that was no problem, because she could always have an affair.``

Fred Humphrey, a University of Connecticut professor who has had a private practice for more than 30 years, says adultery ``is still a source of enormous trauma, anger and strife`` in marital therapy. ``There`s still an enormous hurt and shock when infidelity occurs.``

All the enlightenment in the world cannot diminish the effect when adultery hits home, Humphrey says. When it actually touches them, Humphrey says, ``people really still get socked between the eyes.``

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/1991-06-06/features/9103020284_1_advocates-adultery-adultery-causes-grief-marcella-weiner


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http://themonkeycage.org/blog/2011/07/27/americans-have-become-more-opposed-to-adultery-why/



Irish survey on adultery

http://www.ark.ac.uk/sol/surveys/gen_social_att/nisa/1991/website/Religious_Observance/ADULTERY.html
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Reply #43 - Feb 2nd, 2012 at 11:15am
 
Uncle Meat wrote on Jan 27th, 2012 at 10:36pm:
Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 27th, 2012 at 10:33pm:
Then what's your solution?


Life imprisonment.

There's not really much else.



Well thankfully we are so 'civilised' that life in prison is only 15 years and we do not have consecutive sentencing and EVERYONE no matter how vile gets to go free.

Like all sniveltarians you only have weak solutions or none at all.

7 billion people on this planet, we can afford to lose a few

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Reply #44 - Feb 2nd, 2012 at 12:03pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 2nd, 2012 at 11:15am:
Like all sniveltarians you only have weak solutions or none at all.


Making up cute little words does nothing to help to your "argument".  If anything, they just make you look rather childish.

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 2nd, 2012 at 11:15am:
7 billion people on this planet, we can afford to lose a few


You don't get to make that decision.  Sorry.
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