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Re: Two Types of Envy
Reply #15 - Jan 31^st, 2012 at 6:29pm

muso wrote on Jan 31^st, 2012 at 3:48pm:

I think that was a mixture of envy and inspiration. I don't think you can always separate the two.

Maybe it was a mix of admiration and inspiration?

Even if there is no good envy, I'm sure most people must feel it at some stage. I have. Jealousy too when I was younger. Hatred even. Rage. Grief. I don't regret them - I feel they were normal reactions to certain situations

Perhaps these are in a separate category to envy. Are they?

I woke up this morning wondering if inspiration was born out envy. Must have been some heavy dreaming done last night

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Two Types of Envy Reply #16 - Jan 31^st, 2012 at 6:53pm envy is coveteus and begrudging, it wants to take away from the other in order to have for oneself. It operates with a zero-sum ledger. Inspiration wants to be filled with the same motivation, spirit and striving for excellence, without wishing to diminish anyone else's achievement.
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nairbe Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2587 Rural NSW Gender:	Re: Two Types of Envy Reply #17 - Jan 31^st, 2012 at 9:12pm Envy is the source of hate, anger and deception. Inspiration is the motivator of success and inovation. Be content with your own abilities and use them to succeed, don't want what other have and do for these are the tools of discontent and failure.
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Re: Two Types of Envy
Reply #18 - Feb 1^st, 2012 at 8:48am

Soren wrote on Jan 31^st, 2012 at 6:53pm:

envy is coveteus and begrudging, it wants to take away from the other in order to have for oneself. It operates with a zero-sum ledger.

Inspiration wants to be filled with the same motivation, spirit and striving for excellence, without wishing to diminish anyone else's achievement.

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God defend our Free Land. From dissension, envy, hate,
And corruption guard our State, Make our country good and great, God defend New Zealand.

- but then if the Kiwi's were envious of our beer, does that mean they want to take it away from us? (Bastards.)

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Re: Two Types of Envy
Reply #19 - Feb 1^st, 2012 at 9:05am

muso wrote on Feb 1^st, 2012 at 8:48am:

Soren wrote on Jan 31^st, 2012 at 6:53pm:

envy is coveteus and begrudging, it wants to take away from the other in order to have for oneself. It operates with a zero-sum ledger.

Inspiration wants to be filled with the same motivation, spirit and striving for excellence, without wishing to diminish anyone else's achievement.

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God defend our Free Land. From dissension, envy, hate,
And corruption guard our State, Make our country good and great, God defend New Zealand.

- but then if the Kiwi's were envious of our beer, does that mean they want to take it away from us? (Bastards.)

Sure they do, the covetous bastards.

Although why they would want a VB when they have all the Steinlager is a puzzle.

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 56788 Gender:	Re: Two Types of Envy Reply #20 - Jan 28^th, 2023 at 6:37am Kiwi beer is better than ours. Maybe they weren't envious after all - just competitive?
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 120301 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Two Types of Envy Reply #21 - Jan 28^th, 2023 at 6:47am Jasin wrote on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 6:37am: Kiwi beer is better than ours. Maybe they weren't envious after all - just competitive? The Kiwis say: In Australia - you can't get a beer, the sheilas look like blokes and the blokes are all queer and if you really want a good time you might as well stay here.
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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 56788 Gender:	Re: Two Types of Envy Reply #22 - Jan 28^th, 2023 at 6:53am NZ is the Lucky Country I've found 5 leaf Clovers there. Been told you can get 6 leaf clovers.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 120301 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Two Types of Envy Reply #23 - Jan 28^th, 2023 at 7:02am Jasin wrote on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 6:53am: NZ is the Lucky Country I've found 5 leaf Clovers there. Been told you can get 6 leaf clovers. Don't forget that Clover honey - oh and the Manuka honey.
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Re: Two Types of Envy
Reply #24 - Jan 28^th, 2023 at 7:20am

Big Donger wrote on Jan 29^th, 2012 at 4:04pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 27^th, 2012 at 8:43pm:

There is no 'good envy'.

Bourgeouse thinking, as usual. The faculty aims to propagate a healthy envy in the tinted classes - healthy because it will facilitate our historically ordained task of siezing the means of production (stage one).

As the vangard of the Pakistani proletariat, we will then channel these emotions after the revolution into more productive ends (stage two).

When the tinted races are deemed ready, and when the white imperialist classes are erased from history, our beneign stewardship will ease, and the tinted classes wll be completely emancipated (stage three).

See Karnal et al. The conditions of tinted class struggle and the stages of history in Journal of Pakistani Studies, Autumn ed., August 2009 [P. 22-48].

That is a good example of envy dressed up as ideology. Don't own anything, don't want to, because the government will take care of me.

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 56788 Gender:	Re: Two Types of Envy Reply #25 - Jan 28^th, 2023 at 1:05pm I wonder Issuevoter if the Government's desire for total control forces people to rely so much upon them?
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