falah wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 8:09pm:



Most of those Christians are immigrants.

falah wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 5:30pm:


Are they called philistines or palestinians?

The Quran mentions Israel.

If the Quran is the words of Allah then Allah recognises Israel which is something muslims cannot do.

Muslims misquote this verse frequently they leave out the first bit because the reality is this verse does not apply to muslims yet they will make out it does when they leave out the first bit.

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Tick all the boxes for all translators as some words like "democracy" do not have an equivalent in the arabic language.

The next verse 5:33 does apply to muslims
http://quran.com/5/33

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 11:25am:

There is no letter "P" in Arab. "Palestine" is an English corrutpion of the Semitic name Falasteen.

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 11:25am:


Mentioned in the Qur'an is "the Tribes of Israel" - meaning the offspring of Prophet Jacob. Prophet Jacob and his son, Prophet Joseph are recognised by Muslims as are the tribes of Israel. Just because the Quran mentions the tribes of Israel does not mean that the modern state of Israel is legitimate. If I start an organisation and name it "Israel" does that mean that I can go around stealing land? Most citizens of the mosern state of Israel are not even descended from the tribes of Israel anyway.

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The early tribes of Israel were Muslims. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Joseph were all Muslims.

And Abraham instructed his sons [to do the same] and [so did] Jacob, [saying], "O my sons, indeed God has chosen for you this religion, so do not die except while you are Muslims."
http://quran.com/2/132

...Or were you witnesses when death approached Jacob, when he said to his sons, "What will you worship after me?" They said, "We will worship your God and the God of your fathers, Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac - one God. And we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."
http://quran.com/2/133

Say, [O believers], "We have believed in God and what has been revealed to us and what has been revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants and what was given to Moses and Jesus and what was given to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."
http://quran.com/2/136

Or do you say that Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants were Jews or Christians? Say, "Are you more knowing or is God?" And who is more unjust than one who conceals a testimony he has from God? And God is not unaware of what you do.
http://quran.com/2/140

Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was an Orthodox Muslim. And he was not of the polytheists.
http://quran.com/3/67

Indeed, the most worthy of Abraham among the people are those who followed him [in submission to God ] and this prophet, and those who believe [in his message]. And God is the ally of the Believers.
http://quran.com/3/68

Say, "We have believed in God and in what was revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Descendants, and in what was given to Moses and Jesus and to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [submitting] to Him."
http://quran.com/3/84

And strive for God with the striving due to Him. He has chosen you and has not placed upon you in the religion any difficulty. [It is] the religion of your father, Abraham. God named you "Muslims" before [in former scriptures] and in this [revelation] that the Messenger may be a witness over you and you may be witnesses over the people. So establish prayer and give alms and hold fast to God. He is your protector; and excellent is the protector, and excellent is the helper.
http://quran.com/22/78



Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 11:25am:


What is the point you are trying to make? Modern Arabic, like Modern English, uses the Greek word. Arabised it becomes "deemoqraatiyyah" (ديمقراطية).

Although there is a thousand (or more) year gap...

If I was cynical ( which I am) I'd say that Ismael's children, grandchildren etc were Jewish....and it was his great-great-great grandson ( not sure how many 'greats' we need, given the apparent ages involved) that started Islam....

If nothing else...it's an interesting family dynamic.

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 2:13pm:


Exactly so.




Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 2:13pm:


Exactly so.





Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 2:13pm:


Exactly so.







Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 2:13pm:


Exactly so.







Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 2:13pm:



This is so, ......according to moslems.



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Whenever moslems are speaking to Jews and Christians [when comparing Judaism, Christianity, with ISLAM], moslems ALWAYS claim that ISLAM is a 'continuation' of Judaism and Christianity.

And that moslems, and Jews, and Christians,  .....are,

'all people of the book'

.

n.b.
Moslems present ISLAM this way, so as to try to give validity to ISLAM, in the eyes of Jews and Christians.



e.g.
GOOD MOSLEM SPEAKS TO NON-MOSLEM AUDIENCE - blatant deceit
"The Undercover Mosque: The return"
"A group of Christians visiting the mosque and the preacher and the Women's Circle treat [the Christians] kindly and talk about,




BUT, THE SAME GOOD MOSLEM SPEAKS TO A *MOSLEM* AUDIENCE...
"Just as soon as that group of visitors [the Christians] leaves, the language changes completely. 'CHRISTIANITY IS VILE', the preacher says....."

Source;
ABC Radio National Religion interview transcript  - "The Undercover Mosque: The return"
".....Stephen Crittenden: .....your program highlights a certain kind of duplicity. When they're caught out, individuals don't miss a [beat], they just say they've been taken out of context....
David Henshaw: ......Regent's Park Mosque is officially committed to inter-faith dialogue....."
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/religionreport/stories/2008/2360820.htm#transcript

IMO, what 'religious' non-moslems need to realise, is that the intentional, blatant deceit, coming from the lips of moslems, lies about a 'tolerant', 'peaceful' ISLAM, is often delivered as part of a moslem 'inter-faith dialogue', with people of other faiths.







BUT, whenever moslems are heard [e.g. recorded] to speak to a moslem audience [about Judaism and Christianity], moslems ALWAYS portray ISLAM as a REPUDIATION and a TOTAL REPLACEMENT of Judaism and Christianity.



i.e.
There is no place, and no validity for either Judaism OR, Christianity, .....in the moslem psyche.


Dictionary;
repudiate = =
1 refuse to accept or be associated with.
2 deny the truth or validity of.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 3:44pm:



That may be the superficial, and the uniformed perspective of Judaism, Christianity and ISLAM, by outsiders, or the perspective of those with a 'naive' knowledge of their faith.

It isn't mine.




From my own perspective....

Judaism is Judaism v1.0

The sect of Jesus is Judaism v2.0




To me ISLAM is faux Judaism v3.0       [As a confirmation compare, read, the OT texts, then read the Koran and Hadith texts. For myself, doing this, was like comparing cheese with chalk.]



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From my own perspective, Judaism [OT scripture], and Christianity [NT scripture] are two sides of the exact same coin.

From my perspective Christianity, is NOTHING, without the influence of Judaism and without what Judaism 'brings to the table'.




The words of Jesus himself.....


Luke 24:25  Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
26  Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
27  And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 2:13pm:


In Madina, some of the greatest rabbis amongst the jews converted to Islam.

Once again you expose your ignorance. The fact is that most of the Arabian jews converted to Islam. Yemen was a Jewish Arab country that  converted to Islam.

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Once again you expose your ignorance. In Islam we are taught that Jews or Christian who followed their books, and did not commit polytheism, and were ignorant of Islam.

“Verily, those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in Allaah and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.”
[The Quran, al-Baqarah 2:62]

“Surely, those who believe, those who are the Jews and the Sabians and the Christians – whosoever believed in Allaah and the Last Day, and worked righteousness, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.” [The Qur'anal-Maa’idah 5:69]

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gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 7:16am:


Incorrect.


A companion of Prophet Muhammed, Anas, observed that: "A young man from among the Jews used to serve the Messenger of God (peace and blessings of God be upon him). The boy became sick, and the Prophet came to visit him when he was on his death-bed. He called him to Islam, and the boy looked at his father, who was standing by his head. His father said, “Listen to the father of Qasim.” [Qasim was the son of the Prophet]. So the boy became Muslim, then he died. The Prophet of God came away from him saying, “Praise be to God Who has saved him from the Hell-Fire.”" ( Ahmad, 12896; also narrated in Saheeh al-Bukhaari, 1268).

Anas also narrated how one of the Jewish rabbis of Madina converted to Islam:

"When Abdullah bin Shalom heard the arrival of the Prophet at Medina, he came to him and said, "I am going to ask you about three things which nobody knows except a prophet: What is the first portent of the Hour? What will be the first meal taken by the people of Paradise? Why does a child resemble its father, and why does it resemble its maternal uncle" The Prophet of God said, "Gabriel has just now told me of their answers." Abdullah said, "He (Gabriel), from amongst all the angels, is the enemy of the Jews." God's Prophet said, "The first portent of the Hour will be a fire that will bring together the people from the east to the west; the first meal of the people of Paradise will be the caudate lobe of fish-liver. As for the resemblance of the child to its parents: If a man has sexual intercourse with his wife and, and what is discharged from his body (sperm) overpowers what comes from the woman's body (eggs) then the child will resemble him, and if what comes from the woman (eggs) overpowers then the child resembles her." [there was great superstition about the matter at the time in regards to what made a child resemble which parent. On that Abdullah bin Shalom said, "I testify that you are the Prophet of God." Abdullah bin Shalom further said, "O God's Prophet! The Jews are liars, and if they should come to know about my conversion to Islam before you ask them (about me), they would tell a lie about me." The Jews came to God's Prophet and Abdullah went inside the house. God's Prophet asked (the Jews), "What kind of man is Abdullah bin Shalom amongst you?" They replied, "He is the most learned person amongst us, and the best amongst us, and the son of the best amongst us." God's Prophet said, "What do you think if he embraces Islam (will you do as he does)?" The Jews said, "May God save him from it." Then Abdullah bin Shalom came out in front of them saying, "I testify that None has the right to be worshipped but God and that Muhammad is the Apostle of God." Thereupon they said, "He is the evilest among us, and the son of the evilest amongst us," and continued talking badly of him.
(Bukhari)



Abdullah bin Shalom was was highly respected amongst the Muslims as were many other Jewish converts to Islam. Many Islamic scholars have included the speeches of Jewish converts to islam in their books.

I am very happy for these Jews who have been guided by God Almighty to Islam:

More Jews converting to Islam
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3274735,00.html

Jewish Rabbi who embraced Islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=IN&hl=en-GB&client=mv-google&rl=yes&v=IwwsM4guSIU

Joseph Cohen aka Yusuf Khattab - a jew converted to Islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=IN&hl=en-GB&client=mv-google&v=DabIO_gwRgo


Israeli Jewish Girl From USA Converted to Islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=IN&hl=en-GB&client=mv-google&rl=yes&v=Ao14WYXodSo

British Jew Converts to Islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rty9EWzPpd0


Jewish girl converts to Islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8h6ZGV-5sqo