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Re: Stuffup upon a stuffup by our gubmint
Reply #15 - Jan 19^th, 2012 at 9:05am

cods wrote on Jan 19^th, 2012 at 8:31am:

olde.sault wrote on Jan 19^th, 2012 at 8:22am:

Kat wrote on Jan 19^th, 2012 at 6:28am:

olde.sault wrote on Jan 19^th, 2012 at 3:37am:

Your hero, Whitlam[/highlight], started this sh*t.

Pathetic!

Yes. He is. A better PM than any Liberal, certainly a better man AND a
better PM than Howard, Gillard OR (potentially) Abbott.

But unappreciated by fools who should have known better.

"" Communists are bitter, envious people who base their beliefs on the fairy tale
that "we are all even" we aren't even born "even" - certainly not another child
added to a family of half a dozen from "fathers unknown"....""

Well, that last line was plainly stereotypical, and designed to be offensive.

And I'd much rather be perceived as a communist (I'm not, BTW) than as an
elitist, born-to-rule, 'I'm better than you' bloody conservative c(r)apitalist.

Y'know, when all is said and done, the basic difference between communism
and capitalism is that communists care about others, capitalists care about
NO-ONE and NOTHING but themselves and their bank-balances.

Conservative capitalists more than most!!

Kat,

Pity that the Australian people disagreed with your admiration for that large fool, Whitlam.

Some of your fellow-believers, still say that John Kerr "sacked" Whitlam.

Supply was blocked by the senate and Kerr simply carried out his duty (didn't have many duties, now, had he?)

this was, to order the dissolution of an unworkable parliament and appoint Fraser as caretaker PM until the election was held.

Whitlam was swept out.

Just quietly, my late brother, a solicitor often hired Whitlam when he was a barrister. Whitlam lost my brother every case - a complete loser!

Whitlam the best PM.. we ever had!!!!!.. my god... says it all from a brainwashed loser doesnt it? they have got to be brainwashed when they make public statements like that.??

what pressure did Whitlam ever have on him???? none that I can remember.,.he just went on a massive spending spree that lets face it

ANYONE CAN DO..

we tell all and sundry when they get in over their heads with debt .... suck it up its your own fault... yet some still dont blame Whitlam for his own demise.Kerrs fault...lol.. yeah right!

Whitlam's only 'mistake' was that he was too progressive for the
stuck-in-the-1950s Menzies-influenced conservatives, and they
did a big dummy-spit over it.

THEN stagflated the country for the next eight years (and THEN
did it again from 1996-2007).

It makes what Gillard did to Rudd look like the playground
squabble that it was.

And it certainly showed the Coalition as not having the
country's best interests at heart, but their own.

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blackadder Gold Member Offline Posts: 1977	Re: Stuffup upon a stuffup by our gubmint Reply #16 - Jan 19^th, 2012 at 9:08am And it certainly showed the Coalition as not having the country's best interests at heart, but their own. Gillard, Brown anyone?
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blackadder Gold Member Offline Posts: 1977	Re: Stuffup upon a stuffup by our gubmint Reply #17 - Jan 19^th, 2012 at 9:15am Whitlam's only 'mistake' was that he was too progressive for the stuck-in-the-1950s Menzies-influenced conservatives, and they did a big dummy-spit over it. Some more mistakes. Murphy, Trimbole, Grassby, Cairns, Khemlani, Junie Morosi, Rex Connor.
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Re: Stuffup upon a stuffup by our gubmint
Reply #18 - Jan 19^th, 2012 at 9:20am

blackadder wrote on Jan 19^th, 2012 at 9:15am:

Whitlam's only 'mistake' was that he was too progressive for the
stuck-in-the-1950s Menzies-influenced conservatives, and they
did a big dummy-spit over it.

Some more mistakes.

Murphy, Trimbole, Grassby, Cairns, Khemlani, Junie Morosi, Rex Connor.

Kemlani?????anyone. Grin

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Re: Stuffup upon a stuffup by our gubmint
Reply #19 - Jan 19^th, 2012 at 3:21pm

cods wrote on Jan 19^th, 2012 at 9:20am:

blackadder wrote on Jan 19^th, 2012 at 9:15am:

Whitlam's only 'mistake' was that he was too progressive for the
stuck-in-the-1950s Menzies-influenced conservatives, and they
did a big dummy-spit over it.

Some more mistakes.

Murphy, Trimbole, Grassby, Cairns, Khemlani, Junie Morosi, Rex Connor.

Kemlani?????anyone. Grin

When the Senate refused supply, Whitlam (like JuLiar) clung to his primeministership and approached this wealthy Arab for a loan to keep hin in government.

That made John Kerr call a dissolution of both houses and the people spoke loudly.

That was when, unlike today, democracy was observed.

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Re: Stuffup upon a stuffup by our gubmint
Reply #20 - Jan 19^th, 2012 at 3:51pm

olde.sault wrote on Jan 19^th, 2012 at 3:37am:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 18^th, 2012 at 9:54pm:

olde.sault wrote on Jan 18^th, 2012 at 4:33pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 18^th, 2012 at 10:57am:

olde.sault wrote on Jan 18^th, 2012 at 5:56am:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 18^th, 2012 at 12:02am:

Do you have a link to this outrage or do we just take your word for it???

Your ARE an idiot!

It takes a long wait in a queue to get through to say one's piece on a popular radio program.

Maybe Labor stooges have the time (most of them are on the dole) but conservative voters work for a living and don't have the time to wait on "hold".

In any case, I can pick between a smoothie acting out propaganda and a genuine caller with their "ums" and "you know".

It'll soon come out into the open no matter how leftist venues hide the truth.

Huh

The most reliable of links, ordinary citizens phoning radio talkback about what they are experiencing.

I hadn't mentioned those still going to bed in fear, those still waiting for an inspection of their ceiling's "free" batt-lay.

You, screwballs, think that it is all a conspiracy to blacken Labor's name after all the houses that went up in smoke and four lost their lives?

After all that mess-up your rat-administrators can't keep a file on whose house had been inspected and whose hadn't, something that even a semi-literate housewife could get right.

Talk back radio is not a reliable source for information.....If you cannot provide a reliable link to your claims then you have nothing to offer this debate accept opinions that are not facts.....Most people have nothing to worry about with their insulation unless it is foil which is not approved for home insulation or you have down lights that could cause fire if the insulation is placed over them.....Do you really think an approved inspector would just write off homes as safe without checking to determine if people where at risk.....They would go to jail if they failed to inspect properties correctly and signed off on dodgy work.....Do not listen to the crap you are being fed on talk back radio because it is not true....Do you really think approved inspectors would not determine the risk to home owners and risk going to jail???

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However I do not take my advice from talk back radio that cannot be varified.....carry on!!!

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Homer Hickam, The Coalwood Way

There is nothing more dense than a socialist who'll dodge truth at any price and respect lies.

That is why Russia's communism came to an end after people suffered it for 70 years.

Communists are bitter, envious people who base their beliefs on the fairy tale that "we are all even" we aren't even born "even" - certainly not another child added to a family of half a dozen from "fathers unknown".

Your hero, Whitlam, started this sh*t.

Pathetic!

How do you know.....did you hear it on talk back radio???

Grin

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Re: Stuffup upon a stuffup by our gubmint
Reply #21 - Jan 19^th, 2012 at 4:52pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 19^th, 2012 at 3:51pm:

olde.sault wrote on Jan 19^th, 2012 at 3:37am:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 18^th, 2012 at 9:54pm:

olde.sault wrote on Jan 18^th, 2012 at 4:33pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 18^th, 2012 at 10:57am:

olde.sault wrote on Jan 18^th, 2012 at 5:56am:

[quote author=6F7776736F7A6D6B772D2F2E2F1F0 link=1326807602/1#1 date=1326808940]Do you have a link to this outrage or do we just take your word for it???

Your ARE an idiot!

It takes a long wait in a queue to get through to say one's piece on a popular radio program.

Maybe Labor stooges have the time (most of them are on the dole) but conservative voters work for a living and don't have the time to wait on "hold".

In any case, I can pick between a smoothie acting out propaganda and a genuine caller with their "ums" and "you know".

It'll soon come out into the open no matter how leftist venues hide the truth.

Huh

The most reliable of links, ordinary citizens phoning radio talkback about what they are experiencing.

I hadn't mentioned those still going to bed in fear, those still waiting for an inspection of their ceiling's "free" batt-lay.

You, screwballs, think that it is all a conspiracy to blacken Labor's name after all the houses that went up in smoke and four lost their lives?

After all that mess-up your rat-administrators can't keep a file on whose house had been inspected and whose hadn't, something that even a semi-literate housewife could get right.

Talk back radio is not a reliable source for information.....If you cannot provide a reliable link to your claims then you have nothing to offer this debate accept opinions that are not facts.....Most people have nothing to worry about with their insulation unless it is foil which is not approved for home insulation or you have down lights that could cause fire if the insulation is placed over them.....Do you really think an approved inspector would just write off homes as safe without checking to determine if people where at risk.....They would go to jail if they failed to inspect properties correctly and signed off on dodgy work.....Do not listen to the crap you are being fed on talk back radio because it is not true....Do you really think approved inspectors would not determine the risk to home owners and risk going to jail???

Roll Eyes

It is not necessary to understand things in order to argue about them.
Pierre Beaumarchais (1732 - 1799)

However I do not take my advice from talk back radio that cannot be varified.....carry on!!!

Roll Eyes

It is better to confess ignorance than provide it.
Homer Hickam, The Coalwood Way

There is nothing more dense than a socialist who'll dodge truth at any price and respect lies.

That is why Russia's communism came to an end after people suffered it for 70 years.

Communists are bitter, envious people who base their beliefs on the fairy tale that "we are all even" we aren't even born "even" - certainly not another child added to a family of half a dozen from "fathers unknown".

Your hero, Whitlam, started this sh*t.

Pathetic!

How do you know.....did you hear it on talk back radio???

Grin

It was during the Whitlam era that I began to take an interest in politics so, I do know what was going on and often from the horse's mouth - the people who suffered during the time Whitlam put the country on the skids.

Nothing has been the same since, especially the "liberated" women who became coarser than their menfolk- swear, grog, flash their boobs and bear children for the bonus.

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The Valley Boy Ex Member	Re: Stuffup upon a stuffup by our gubmint Reply #22 - Jan 19^th, 2012 at 4:55pm Can anyone tell me where in the constitution that it says that the Governer General takes advice from the Opposition Leader Whitlam wanted to call a half Senate election and Fraser only wanted a Double Dissolution and what did we get. So Kerr and Fraser did not abide by the constitution.
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Re: Stuffup upon a stuffup by our gubmint
Reply #23 - Jan 19^th, 2012 at 4:57pm

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Can anyone tell me where in the constitution that it says that the Governer General takes advice from the Opposition Leader

Whitlam wanted to call a half Senate election and Fraser only wanted a Double Dissolution and what did we get.

So Kerr and Fraser did not abide by the constitution.

They couldnt get finance bill past

so they couldnt goven

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Re: Stuffup upon a stuffup by our gubmint
Reply #24 - Jan 19^th, 2012 at 5:08pm

FRED. wrote on Jan 19^th, 2012 at 4:57pm:

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Can anyone tell me where in the constitution that it says that the Governer General takes advice from the Opposition Leader

Whitlam wanted to call a half Senate election and Fraser only wanted a Double Dissolution and what did we get.

So Kerr and Fraser did not abide by the constitution.

They couldnt get finance bill past

so they couldnt goven

wasnt there something very shady about the loans as well...no one would tell where the money was coming from??? I lived in Wollongong at that time with Rex Connor the member and wouldnt you know I was friends with his secretary we lived in the same block of flats..Rex took the fall for it all from memory.

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Re: Stuffup upon a stuffup by our gubmint
Reply #25 - Jan 20^th, 2012 at 6:43am

cods wrote on Jan 19^th, 2012 at 5:08pm:

FRED. wrote on Jan 19^th, 2012 at 4:57pm:

Quote:

Can anyone tell me where in the constitution that it says that the Governer General takes advice from the Opposition Leader

Whitlam wanted to call a half Senate election and Fraser only wanted a Double Dissolution and what did we get.

So Kerr and Fraser did not abide by the constitution.

They couldnt get finance bill past

so they couldnt goven

wasnt there something very shady about the loans as well...no one would tell where the money was coming from??? I lived in Wollongong at that time with Rex Connor the member and wouldnt you know I was friends with his secretary we lived in the same block of flats..Rex took the fall for it all from memory.

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I could be wrong but I'm sure there is nothing in our constitution allowing a PM to organise loans if senate had refused supply.

This action is our country's safety valve in case a PM goes off his rocker which Whitlam had--

As a result of leftard stupidity, John Kerr had to leave the country. Once a Labor stalwart, he just went by the rules (although he might have had the brains to realise what was happening to Australia under his friend).

Kerr deserved sainthood!

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Re: Stuffup upon a stuffup by our gubmint
Reply #26 - Jan 20^th, 2012 at 7:01am

olde.sault wrote on Jan 19^th, 2012 at 4:52pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 19^th, 2012 at 3:51pm:

olde.sault wrote on Jan 19^th, 2012 at 3:37am:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 18^th, 2012 at 9:54pm:

olde.sault wrote on Jan 18^th, 2012 at 4:33pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 18^th, 2012 at 10:57am:

olde.sault wrote on Jan 18^th, 2012 at 5:56am:

[quote author=6F7776736F7A6D6B772D2F2E2F1F0 link=1326807602/1#1 date=1326808940]Do you have a link to this outrage or do we just take your word for it???

Your ARE an idiot!

It takes a long wait in a queue to get through to say one's piece on a popular radio program.

Maybe Labor stooges have the time (most of them are on the dole) but conservative voters work for a living and don't have the time to wait on "hold".

In any case, I can pick between a smoothie acting out propaganda and a genuine caller with their "ums" and "you know".

It'll soon come out into the open no matter how leftist venues hide the truth.

Huh

The most reliable of links, ordinary citizens phoning radio talkback about what they are experiencing.

I hadn't mentioned those still going to bed in fear, those still waiting for an inspection of their ceiling's "free" batt-lay.

You, screwballs, think that it is all a conspiracy to blacken Labor's name after all the houses that went up in smoke and four lost their lives?

After all that mess-up your rat-administrators can't keep a file on whose house had been inspected and whose hadn't, something that even a semi-literate housewife could get right.

Talk back radio is not a reliable source for information.....If you cannot provide a reliable link to your claims then you have nothing to offer this debate accept opinions that are not facts.....Most people have nothing to worry about with their insulation unless it is foil which is not approved for home insulation or you have down lights that could cause fire if the insulation is placed over them.....Do you really think an approved inspector would just write off homes as safe without checking to determine if people where at risk.....They would go to jail if they failed to inspect properties correctly and signed off on dodgy work.....Do not listen to the crap you are being fed on talk back radio because it is not true....Do you really think approved inspectors would not determine the risk to home owners and risk going to jail???

Roll Eyes

It is not necessary to understand things in order to argue about them.
Pierre Beaumarchais (1732 - 1799)

However I do not take my advice from talk back radio that cannot be varified.....carry on!!!

Roll Eyes

It is better to confess ignorance than provide it.
Homer Hickam, The Coalwood Way

There is nothing more dense than a socialist who'll dodge truth at any price and respect lies.

That is why Russia's communism came to an end after people suffered it for 70 years.

Communists are bitter, envious people who base their beliefs on the fairy tale that "we are all even" we aren't even born "even" - certainly not another child added to a family of half a dozen from "fathers unknown".

Your hero, Whitlam, started this sh*t.

Pathetic!

How do you know.....did you hear it on talk back radio???

Grin

It was during the Whitlam era that I began to take an interest in politics so, I do know what was going on and often from the horse's mouth - the people who suffered during the time Whitlam put the country on the skids.
Nothing has been the same since, especially the "liberated" women who became coarser than their menfolk- swear, grog, flash their boobs and bear children for the bonus.

Except he DIDN'T...only in the twisted minds of Fraser/Howard supporters.

Virtually NONE of the 'bad' things Whitlam was supposed to have done have
any basis in fact, but the MANY genuine, needed reforms he made have either
been ignored, or Fraser/Howard tried to take credit for.

Fraser/Howard stuff-ups were sheeted home to Whitlam, while Fraser/Howard
cheerfully took credit for Whitlam's successes.

Want to talk about bad prime Ministers? There's two of the worst.

Malcolm Fraser, and John Howard.

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