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____ Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33410 Australia Gender:	"We Are One" World Government Jan 17^th, 2012 at 6:47am Greens support the concept of a One World Democratic Government. Conservatives appear to have fears of this, yet do not say why. Cat got your tongue? http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?action=post;num=1326734481;virboard=;quot...
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Reply #1 - Jan 17^th, 2012 at 10:03am

It's not about fear, it's about the impracticality of it. How do you try and please 6 billion people who make up hundreds of different cultures?
The words "democratic government" get thrown around like it's the solution to all problems.
If a democratic one world government truly came to power then China and India will be dictating to the rest of the world because of their sheer numbers.
How can a rice paddy worker in outback China know the needs of a office worker in Melbourne, or a factory worker in Mexico?
Impractical.

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Reply #2 - Jan 17^th, 2012 at 10:24am

____ wrote on Jan 17^th, 2012 at 6:47am:

Greens support the concept of a One World Democratic Government.

Conservatives appear to have fears of this, yet do not say why.

Cat got your tongue?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?action=post;num=1326734481;virboard=;quot...

On the one hand they bleat about 'diversity' being the greatest strength, and on the other, they want to eliminate diversity through one world government.

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Reply #3 - Jan 17^th, 2012 at 10:35am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 17^th, 2012 at 10:03am:

It's not about fear, it's about the impracticality of it. How do you try and please 6 billion people who make up hundreds of different cultures?
The words "democratic government" get thrown around like it's the solution to all problems.
If a democratic one world government truly came to power then China and India will be dictating to the rest of the world because of their sheer numbers.
How can a rice paddy worker in outback China know the needs of a office worker in Melbourne, or a factory worker in Mexico?
Impractical.

Like a person from Australia's most populated state and a person in the Northern Territory, there are mechanisms to balance power more fairly. i.e a Senate.

As for how will different people relate ... it is already happening via the democracy of the internet.

Consider the situation now with the UN, the UK of around 62 million can dictate to the 7 billion via it's veto right. What makes Brits, French, Russians , Yanks or Chinese more powerful than any other nation. Nothing, so Veto Rights should belong to no nationality in this future One World Government.

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Reply #4 - Jan 17^th, 2012 at 11:00am

____ wrote on Jan 17^th, 2012 at 10:35am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 17^th, 2012 at 10:03am:

It's not about fear, it's about the impracticality of it. How do you try and please 6 billion people who make up hundreds of different cultures?
The words "democratic government" get thrown around like it's the solution to all problems.
If a democratic one world government truly came to power then China and India will be dictating to the rest of the world because of their sheer numbers.
How can a rice paddy worker in outback China know the needs of a office worker in Melbourne, or a factory worker in Mexico?
Impractical.

Like a person from Australia's most populated state and a person in the Northern Territory, there are mechanisms to balance power more fairly. i.e a Senate.

As for how will different people relate ... it is already happening via the democracy of the internet.

Consider the situation now with the UN, the UK of around 62 million can dictate to the 7 billion via it's veto right. What makes Brits, French, Russians , Yanks or Chinese more powerful than any other nation. Nothing, so Veto Rights should belong to no nationality in this future One World Government.

But how does the voting in of delegates and this Senate work??...is it 1 person one vote, or 1 country one vote??

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____ Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33410 Australia Gender:	Re: "We Are One" World Government Reply #5 - Jan 17^th, 2012 at 11:10am You tell me ... it's at discussion stage.
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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: "We Are One" World Government Reply #6 - Jan 17^th, 2012 at 11:27am ____ wrote on Jan 17^th, 2012 at 11:10am: You tell me ... it's at discussion stage. Then stop promoting it, until they've picked a model to use....Simple...
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Reply #7 - Jan 17^th, 2012 at 11:28am

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Like a person from Australia's most populated state and a person in the Northern Territory, there are mechanisms to balance power more fairly. i.e a Senate.

Sounds undemocratic.

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As for how will different people relate ... it is already happening via the democracy of the internet.

Yeah, Western conservatives and Muslims get along so well, as do the Liberals and Greens, as do Christians and Muslims, as do feminists and conservatives, as do North Korea and USA, as do Iran and Israel.

How is a one world government going to solve these problems?

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Consider the situation now with the UN, the UK of around 62 million can dictate to the 7 billion via it's veto right. What makes Brits, French, Russians , Yanks or Chinese more powerful than any other nation. Nothing, so Veto Rights should belong to no nationality in this future One World Government.

It was set up by the mentioned nations, but mainly by the USA, so it's no surprise that it's run by them. It is also mostly funded by the USA. Maybe the other 190 odd countries would like to add as much as the USA? Narh. Let's make the USA pay for most of it then have all the tiny nations that pay little dictate to the USA what it ought to do.
Plus, Britain, France, and the USA are morally, culturally, technically, and monetarily superior to all other nations (perhaps except their fellow Western countries). Before you start blowing a gasket about this fact consider why is it millions of people migrate to these countries and not to non-Western countries?

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Reply #8 - Jan 17^th, 2012 at 4:03pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 17^th, 2012 at 11:27am:

____ wrote on Jan 17^th, 2012 at 11:10am:

You tell me ... it's at discussion stage.

Then stop promoting it, until they've picked a model to use....Simple...

Like the old parties when into Afghanistan without an exit strategy ... and still don't have one?

A one world democratic government requires the input of many, so to represent as wide a range of interests when it is formed. We are no longer in the dictator era and so must learn to negotiate like adults.

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Reply #9 - Jan 17^th, 2012 at 4:16pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 17^th, 2012 at 11:28am:

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Like a person from Australia's most populated state and a person in the Northern Territory, there are mechanisms to balance power more fairly. i.e a Senate.

Sounds undemocratic.

Then get your hearing tested

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As for how will different people relate ... it is already happening via the democracy of the internet.

Yeah, Western conservatives and Muslims get along so well, as do the Liberals and Greens, as do Christians and Muslims, as do feminists and conservatives, as do North Korea and USA, as do Iran and Israel.

How is a one world government going to solve these problems?

As this website shows, the internet has the ability to bring people of different thinking together and expose each other to the thoughts of each person.

It is possible for humans to evolve ... it is possible for humans to govern ourselves in a mature and non violent way.

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Consider the situation now with the UN, the UK of around 62 million can dictate to the 7 billion via it's veto right. What makes Brits, French, Russians , Yanks or Chinese more powerful than any other nation. Nothing, so Veto Rights should belong to no nationality in this future One World Government.

It was set up by the mentioned nations, but mainly by the USA, so it's no surprise that it's run by them. It is also mostly funded by the USA. Maybe the other 190 odd countries would like to add as much as the USA? Narh. Let's make the USA pay for most of it then have all the tiny nations that pay little dictate to the USA what it ought to do.
Plus, Britain, France, and the USA are morally, culturally, technically, and monetarily superior to all other nations (perhaps except their fellow Western countries). Before you start blowing a gasket about this fact consider why is it millions of people migrate to these countries and not to non-Western countries?

Money does not dictate power. Also the US owes the UN over one and a quarter billion (2005 figures)
USA/France's economies are basket cases, UK's not far behind ...
Superior ... to whom, Fiji?

As for refugee flow ... Malaysia, Indonesia etc have huge refugee populations.

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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: "We Are One" World Government Reply #10 - Jan 17^th, 2012 at 4:19pm Quote: It is possible for humans to evolve ... it is possible for humans to govern ourselves in a mature and non violent way. BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA. You idiot. Evolution is a gradual process, imperceptible in a single lifetime...and it just got stupider from there.
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____ Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33410 Australia Gender:	Re: "We Are One" World Government Reply #11 - Jan 17^th, 2012 at 4:41pm Incorrect, evolution is not at a constant speed. i.e Look at the fast speed of technical advances in the last decade.
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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: "We Are One" World Government Reply #12 - Jan 17^th, 2012 at 5:33pm Let me guess - YOU are one of the 'highly evolved' ones?
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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: "We Are One" World Government Reply #13 - Jan 17^th, 2012 at 5:59pm ____ wrote on Jan 17^th, 2012 at 4:41pm: Incorrect, evolution is not at a constant speed. i.e Look at the fast speed of technical advances in the last decade. Technology is NOT the same as biological evolution...
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Reply #14 - Jan 17^th, 2012 at 7:20pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 17^th, 2012 at 5:59pm:

____ wrote on Jan 17^th, 2012 at 4:41pm:

Incorrect, evolution is not at a constant speed.

i.e Look at the fast speed of technical advances in the last decade.

Technology is NOT the same as biological evolution...

You are the only one limiting evolution to biology.

Humanity is evolving and Greens are the tool for political evolution on a local and global scale.

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