muso wrote on Jan 14^th, 2012 at 8:50am:



A philosophy, guided by reason.

muso,

Didn't the Nazis have universities and a social philosophy, guided by 'pure' reason ?

Hmmmm?



????

LOL



Q.
When will you intellectuals stop making excuses for your failures, and for your falsified social and scientific theories?

Google;
scientific fraud

Yadda wrote on Jan 14^th, 2012 at 7:38pm:


Reductio ad Hitlerum. Here we go again.

It's a special case of the association fallacy again, which is one that you like to use.

So we can conclude based on that association that
all Atheists are like Pol Pot, and are mass murderers   
All Christians are meek and mild
My dog is actually Beethoven (shared affinity for trees)

... and those vile Nazi's actually dared to apply reason. Therefore if you don't want to be a Nazi, then don't apply reason. 

Yadda - you are safe. You'll never be a Nazi according to your logic.

Yadda - give us a break.

muso wrote on Jan 14^th, 2012 at 9:41pm:




OK, i'll give you a break muso.   


Where is the utopian / atheist society?

Where is the just and peaceful atheist society?

The atheist society of men which is approaching the egalitarian ideal ?

Haven't you atheists had long enough yet, to set up a paradise on earth?



I know,
......you are waiting for the first outpost on Mars in 2043.

Where all residents will be screened, and only atheists will be accepted ?

And the Mars colony will be a shining example to mankind of what a society of rational atheists can achieve.

Right?    

muso wrote on Jan 14^th, 2012 at 10:09pm:



92% of the population of the USA believe that God exists?

And all of those good folks believe in God, just like G'Dubya does ?

p.s.
So does Tony Blair.



p.p.s
Jesus wasn't a 'Christian'.

Jesus was a Torah observant Jewish man.

And when Paul said.....

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

.....he was not talking about the New Testament scripture.




92% of the population of the USA believe that God exists?

What does that mean ?

Does that mean, that 92% of the population of the USA follow the statutes and judgements, of the God of the bible ?

muso wrote on Jan 15^th, 2012 at 10:45am:

"....if you are losing the argument, you change the definitions. If they are commiting crime, then they can't possibly be Christians."

Muso,

Q.
Who defines who is a moslem?

A.
ISLAM. [Who is a 'real' moslem, is clearly defined within ISLAMIC texts.]




Q.
Who defines who is a Christian or a Jew?    [<--- if we are going to use those terms.]

A.
God.i+++

"Your argument was about an atheist society compared with a theist society. Well the US is also a Christian society (In God we Trust and all that)...."

Muso,

IMO, there has not been a 'theist society' since the time of the wilderness wandering Hebrews.

We are living in a largely atheist world.

A largely un-Godly world, at least!

Sure, many societies have attempted to live according to how they imagined and how they interpreted that their god / deity wanted them to live.

But i don't believe that any of those societies of men ever 'approached' the, or indeed a, sacred ideal.

I don't believe that mankind [in a society of men] have ever been 'closer to God' than were, the ancient Hebrews .


Deuteronomy 5:31
.......I will speak unto thee all the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which thou shalt teach them, that they may do them in the land which I give them to possess it.
32  Ye shall observe to do therefore as the LORD your God hath commanded you: ye shall not turn aside to the right hand or to the left.
33  Ye shall walk in all the ways which the LORD your God hath commanded you, that ye may live, and that it may be well with you, and that ye may prolong your days in the land which ye shall possess.






God has always been unhappy with the expressed nature of men.

Jeremiah 4:4
Circumcise yourselves to the LORD, and take away the foreskins of your heart, ye men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest my fury come forth like fire, and burn that none can quench it, because of the evil of your doings.

Jeremiah 9:26
Egypt, and Judah, and Edom, and the children of Ammon, and Moab, and all that are in the utmost corners, that dwell in the wilderness: for all these nations are uncircumcised, and all the house of Israel are uncircumcised in the heart.

Romans 2:29
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.


How can God complain, after all, he made us this way ?

Sure.

And we make choices, all on our own.






Muso,

If God was clearly very unhappy with the conduct of ancient Judah and Israel [bible quotes above], what right have the people of the USA, to refer to themselves as 'Christians' [or to imagine that they are 'close to God'] ???

I am at fault too.

I wait, and i look for my redemption.

But i don't imagine that i am worthy or in any way righteous.



Isaiah 64:6
But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.


I've seen the purity of God.

But i know full-well that i cannot approach that purity, not in this body.



But i know that God has the power to 'transform' me, to heal me.

I want, and hope, to live in another reality.

A much, much, better one!    


Isaiah 64:4
For since the beginning of the world men have not heard, nor perceived by the ear, neither hath the eye seen, O God, beside thee, what he hath prepared for him that waiteth for him.

muso wrote on Jan 16^th, 2012 at 6:18am:


Clearly.       







muso wrote on Jan 16^th, 2012 at 6:18am:




muso,

You ask, "What defines a barbarian?"

Perhaps a person who chooses to embrace an expressed ideal such as this ??? ;




ISLAMIC scholar, Sayyid Qutb.


cited again here.....


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/michael_gove/article679544.e...

muso,

I have no argument with what you said in post #26.