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Re: Matt Golinski
Reply #15 - Dec 27^th, 2011 at 1:18pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 27^th, 2011 at 1:04pm:

Deborahmac09 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2011 at 12:25pm:

Pitty the Ambulance had to be sourced from another area, because the local Ambulances were attending to a bunch of drunken louts.

What has that got to do with anything, it still wouldn't bring dead people back to life.

A 27 minute wait for emergency services can make a HUGE difference between life and death Pansi....

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Reply #16 - Dec 27^th, 2011 at 1:58pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 27^th, 2011 at 1:04pm:

Deborahmac09 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2011 at 12:25pm:

Pitty the Ambulance had to be sourced from another area, because the local Ambulances were attending to a bunch of drunken louts.

What has that got to do with anything, it still wouldn't bring dead people back to life.

He was not dead Pansi! He was laying in his driveway screaming while a nieghbour tried to comfort him until the ambulance got there.

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Reply #17 - Dec 27^th, 2011 at 2:14pm

Deborahmac09 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2011 at 1:58pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 27^th, 2011 at 1:04pm:

Deborahmac09 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2011 at 12:25pm:

Pitty the Ambulance had to be sourced from another area, because the local Ambulances were attending to a bunch of drunken louts.

What has that got to do with anything, it still wouldn't bring dead people back to life.

He was not dead Pansi! He was laying in his driveway screaming while a nieghbour tried to comfort him until the ambulance got there.

How do you know that waiting the extra minutes for the ambulance would have changed his condition in any way?

I would say that the major percentage of ambulance and police work is in some way dealing with drunks and alcohol inflicted people.

I just don't get the argument in this case that things would have been different if the ambulance had have got to the scene earlier.

The ambo's did what they do and the drunks did what they do. It's Australia and drinking is our culture and encouraged at every opportunity.

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Reply #18 - Dec 27^th, 2011 at 2:17pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2011 at 1:18pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 27^th, 2011 at 1:04pm:

Deborahmac09 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2011 at 12:25pm:

Pitty the Ambulance had to be sourced from another area, because the local Ambulances were attending to a bunch of drunken louts.

What has that got to do with anything, it still wouldn't bring dead people back to life.

A 27 minute wait for emergency services can make a HUGE difference between life and death Pansi....

Police and ambulances have been understaffed for years. Where has all the money gone? The Commonwealth Games?

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"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace." Hendrix
andrei said: Great isn't it? Seeing boatloads of what is nothing more than human garbage turn up.....

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Reply #19 - Dec 27^th, 2011 at 2:18pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 27^th, 2011 at 2:14pm:

Deborahmac09 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2011 at 1:58pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 27^th, 2011 at 1:04pm:

Deborahmac09 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2011 at 12:25pm:

Pitty the Ambulance had to be sourced from another area, because the local Ambulances were attending to a bunch of drunken louts.

What has that got to do with anything, it still wouldn't bring dead people back to life.

He was not dead Pansi! He was laying in his driveway screaming while a nieghbour tried to comfort him until the ambulance got there.

How do you know that waiting the extra minutes for the ambulance would have changed his condition in any way?

I would say that the major percentage of ambulance and police work is in some way dealing with drunks and alcohol inflicted people.

I just don't get the argument in this case that things would have been different if the ambulance had have got to the scene earlier.

The ambo's did what they do and the drunks did what they do. It's Australia and drinking is our culture and encouraged at every opportunity.

It may not have changed HIS condition in anyway...but the point to the previous post is, it may well have changed the conditions of the other people....IF, the ambos had turned up in 10 minutes, they may have been able to save some of the others.....

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It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #20 - Dec 27^th, 2011 at 2:21pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 27^th, 2011 at 2:14pm:

Deborahmac09 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2011 at 1:58pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 27^th, 2011 at 1:04pm:

Deborahmac09 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2011 at 12:25pm:

Pitty the Ambulance had to be sourced from another area, because the local Ambulances were attending to a bunch of drunken louts.

What has that got to do with anything, it still wouldn't bring dead people back to life.

He was not dead Pansi! He was laying in his driveway screaming while a nieghbour tried to comfort him until the ambulance got there.

How do you know that waiting the extra minutes for the ambulance would have changed his condition in any way?

I would say that the major percentage of ambulance and police work is in some way dealing with drunks and alcohol inflicted people.

I just don't get the argument in this case that things would have been different if the ambulance had have got to the scene earlier.

The ambo's did what they do and the drunks did what they do. It's Australia and drinking is our culture and encouraged at every opportunity.

If somebody is burnt you water them anyway possible. Lying in a bath with icecubes is ideal. Failing that a hose constantly running over the affected area.. Every second a burn is left unattended it will eat deeper.

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Reply #21 - Dec 27^th, 2011 at 7:32pm

Grey wrote on Dec 27^th, 2011 at 2:21pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 27^th, 2011 at 2:14pm:

Deborahmac09 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2011 at 1:58pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 27^th, 2011 at 1:04pm:

Deborahmac09 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2011 at 12:25pm:

Pitty the Ambulance had to be sourced from another area, because the local Ambulances were attending to a bunch of drunken louts.

What has that got to do with anything, it still wouldn't bring dead people back to life.

He was not dead Pansi! He was laying in his driveway screaming while a nieghbour tried to comfort him until the ambulance got there.

How do you know that waiting the extra minutes for the ambulance would have changed his condition in any way?

I would say that the major percentage of ambulance and police work is in some way dealing with drunks and alcohol inflicted people.

I just don't get the argument in this case that things would have been different if the ambulance had have got to the scene earlier.

The ambo's did what they do and the drunks did what they do. It's Australia and drinking is our culture and encouraged at every opportunity.

If somebody is burnt you water them anyway possible. Lying in a bath with icecubes is ideal. Failing that a hose constantly running over the affected area.. Every second a burn is left unattended it will eat deeper.

from what I have read the poor mans throat has all been burnt.. I think we should leave it at that.

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Reply #22 - Dec 27^th, 2011 at 7:34pm

Grey wrote on Dec 27^th, 2011 at 2:21pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 27^th, 2011 at 2:14pm:

Deborahmac09 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2011 at 1:58pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 27^th, 2011 at 1:04pm:

Deborahmac09 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2011 at 12:25pm:

Pitty the Ambulance had to be sourced from another area, because the local Ambulances were attending to a bunch of drunken louts.

What has that got to do with anything, it still wouldn't bring dead people back to life.

He was not dead Pansi! He was laying in his driveway screaming while a nieghbour tried to comfort him until the ambulance got there.

How do you know that waiting the extra minutes for the ambulance would have changed his condition in any way?

I would say that the major percentage of ambulance and police work is in some way dealing with drunks and alcohol inflicted people.

I just don't get the argument in this case that things would have been different if the ambulance had have got to the scene earlier.

The ambo's did what they do and the drunks did what they do. It's Australia and drinking is our culture and encouraged at every opportunity.

If somebody is burnt you water them anyway possible. Lying in a bath with icecubes is ideal. Failing that a hose constantly running over the affected area.. Every second a burn is left unattended it will eat deeper.

Actually those two ideas are possible the worst concepts...Dropping the temperature of a burn victim that fast is a guaranteed recipe for major shock....

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It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #23 - Dec 27^th, 2011 at 7:38pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2011 at 7:34pm:

Grey wrote on Dec 27^th, 2011 at 2:21pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 27^th, 2011 at 2:14pm:

Deborahmac09 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2011 at 1:58pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 27^th, 2011 at 1:04pm:

Deborahmac09 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2011 at 12:25pm:

Pitty the Ambulance had to be sourced from another area, because the local Ambulances were attending to a bunch of drunken louts.

What has that got to do with anything, it still wouldn't bring dead people back to life.

He was not dead Pansi! He was laying in his driveway screaming while a nieghbour tried to comfort him until the ambulance got there.

How do you know that waiting the extra minutes for the ambulance would have changed his condition in any way?

I would say that the major percentage of ambulance and police work is in some way dealing with drunks and alcohol inflicted people.

I just don't get the argument in this case that things would have been different if the ambulance had have got to the scene earlier.

The ambo's did what they do and the drunks did what they do. It's Australia and drinking is our culture and encouraged at every opportunity.

If somebody is burnt you water them anyway possible. Lying in a bath with icecubes is ideal. Failing that a hose constantly running over the affected area.. Every second a burn is left unattended it will eat deeper.

Actually those two ideas are possible the worst concepts...Dropping the temperature of a burn victim that fast is a guaranteed recipe for major shock....

No dressings, no creams or potions, Cool running water for a minimum of 30 minutes. Giz is right, a bath of iced water is not a good idea.

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Reply #25 - Dec 28^th, 2011 at 11:23am

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Dec 28^th, 2011 at 11:19am:

A dreadfully sad story.
The poor bugger is yet to wake up to find out the full extent of his loss.

It doesn't get much worse than what this blokes life has just been reduced to. A friend of ours lost their home in a fire and that nearly destroyed them . This guy has lost his whole family aswell. Lost the lot in one hit. Unbelievably sad.

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