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Re: Press Council slams Telegraph for NBN beat-ups
Reply #15 - Dec 26th, 2011 at 6:23pm
 
Lobo wrote on Dec 26th, 2011 at 12:27pm:
I wait, with bated breath, the Front Page retraction!!

Smiley


Yes, given the fact that at least one of the original stories was on page 1, and the Press Council requirement that the correction be printed "with due prominence in a place likely to be seen by someone who read the original article", you'd expect it to appear in the first few pages, wouldn't you?

So where was it printed?
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Bottom of page 104, in the World News Section, on a public holiday!

Yep, the Daily Telegraph is committed to accurate, fair news reporting without fear or favour
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Reply #16 - Dec 27th, 2011 at 5:38pm
 
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Dec 26th, 2011 at 4:01pm:
NBNMyths wrote on Dec 25th, 2011 at 8:39pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 25th, 2011 at 4:54pm:
the highlighted bit is true. trouble is that isnt what the NBN is doing. it is replaceing EVERYONES phone and internet service including the 85% of people who are already with a good service. Now if the NBN's job was just to fill the holes....


Actually, it's pretty much the opposite. New greenfield estates aside, the best broadband in Australia (and the only part that is really the equiv of most developed countries) is the areas covered by HFC cable networks. Telstra's covers about 25% of the population, while Optus' covers about 15%. Neither network has been expanded for about a decade.

Then there is the pricing. Less than 9% of Telstra exchanges have competitive ADSL2+, which means most areas must pay the exhorbitant prices of Telstra retail or wholesale ADSL2+. That means people like me, an hour from Sydney, pay almost double the price someone 20 minutes away pays for exactly the same service. The NBN is not just about speed, but also ubiquity of service and pricing.

As for whether it's "good enough".... Australia sits close to the bottom of the OECD list for both average broadband speeds and fibre penetration. We are actually outranked by many undeveloped countries, and last I looked were about 60th in the World. Average speeds are only about 8-9Mbps here. While such speeds may be adequate for many people now, what about in 10 years? A decade ago average speeds were around 128kbps (and we thought that was fast), so they have now increased by a factor of about 80. Do you expect that we won't need or expect a similar increase over the next 10 years, or do you think the demand for bandwidth will suddenly come to a grinding halt? Because the only way speeds can be increased now is:
a) Roll out fibre
b) Roll out HFC
c) Roll out FTTN

...and all of those options take a long time to design and build. FTTN is the fastest, but that would still take 5 years and be reasonably quickly obsolete. There's no point starting HFC now because it would cost as much as FTTP. So that leaves fibre. Build it once. Build it right.

Distance is the issue, and there is no DSL technology that can overcome our big distances. So if Govt don't do it who will? And (given the evidence of outrageous private sector FTTP pricing) how much will we pay for it?

The incredible short-sightedness of conservatives never ceases to amaze me, not to mention the dogmatic attachment to "free market" ideology even in the face of irrefutable evidence that theory doesn't always work in practise.



wait,... ISN'T THE PROPAGANDA THAT WE ARE THE CLEVER COUNTRY!???!


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Going by the lack of response, from that side of the fence, it would appear that the anti-NBNers are quite happy to be misinformed by sections of the media.

No doubt Abbott is quite happy to have them soak up this BS.

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Reply #17 - Dec 27th, 2011 at 5:40pm
 
Would like the Press Council to come back to them with a "Not good enough".

Put it on the front page!!

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Reply #18 - Dec 28th, 2011 at 2:00pm
 
Lobo wrote on Dec 27th, 2011 at 5:38pm:
Going by the lack of response, from that side of the fence, it would appear that the anti-NBNers are quite happy to be misinformed by sections of the media.

No doubt Abbott is quite happy to have them soak up this BS.

Smiley

Abbott won't conduct a NO NO NO campaign on the NBN :
THIS PICTURE TELLS A MILLION WORDS!


HE KNOWS A SIMPLE FOLLOW-THE-MONEY enquiry by any of the media will undermine him and so he is stuck between a rock and a hard place and the Liberal party knows they are naked!!!

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*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is.  It wouldn't be there without the tax payer.  Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know....  (swaggy) *
 
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Reply #19 - Dec 28th, 2011 at 2:02pm
 
Lobo wrote on Dec 27th, 2011 at 5:40pm:
Would like the Press Council to come back to them with a "Not good enough".

Put it on the front page!!

Wink

hear hear , i mean HEAR HEAR!!  Cool
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Reply #20 - Dec 28th, 2011 at 2:15pm
 
Other than longy, who completely misinterpreted the OP, the anti-NBNers have really avoided this thread.

I presume they don't mind being misinformed by sections of the media.

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Reply #21 - Dec 28th, 2011 at 3:51pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 24th, 2011 at 10:18pm:
The NBN though does seem one big white elephant project though.

That much is true. A lot of taxpayers money will be wasted on giving areas a network which will not see economic repayment of the expenditure.

The first thing we do on major projects of $500m+ at our company is check the repayment longevity and the overall ROI - I just don't see providing the outback and country with a network as passing it.

So why do it?

That much from the Telegraph's overall view is true is it not?



Spoken like someone from the finance department.

A plage on progressive development and reform.

A group which needs to be controled - they should simply be used to determine if the project is financially possible and have no role in decision making as they will destroy all creativity in search of a short sighted return - every time.

Let finance and the Lawyers take control of running your company and it is doomed.
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Reply #22 - Dec 28th, 2011 at 5:35pm
 
Mindless multiple posts should be deleted before my scroll wheel wears out.
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