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Question: Will US Occupation Forces Face Justice?

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« Created by: corporate_whitey on: Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:36pm »

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Re: Will US Occupation Forces Face Justice?
Reply #30 - Nov 17th, 2011 at 5:01pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 4:59pm:
FRED. wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 4:54pm:
corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 4:51pm:
What we need is a clear and unequivocal statement from the Government of zero tolerance of rape by US Forces against Australian women and so far they are shamefully silent on this and shamefully silent on the sovereignty issue.


What sovereignty ISSUE     Grin Grin


Don't worry Fred....'sovereignty' is his word of the month...


Thanks  giz time for a drink  Wink
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Re: Will US Occupation Forces Face Justice?
Reply #31 - Nov 17th, 2011 at 5:03pm
 
FRED. wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 5:01pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 4:59pm:
FRED. wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 4:54pm:
corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 4:51pm:
What we need is a clear and unequivocal statement from the Government of zero tolerance of rape by US Forces against Australian women and so far they are shamefully silent on this and shamefully silent on the sovereignty issue.


What sovereignty ISSUE     Grin Grin


Don't worry Fred....'sovereignty' is his word of the month...


Thanks  giz time for a drink  Wink


Have one for me willya...
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Re: Will US Occupation Forces Face Justice?
Reply #32 - Nov 17th, 2011 at 10:40pm
 
Any way its all a little absurd and more than a bit arrogant to have US forces here for security when we have a regional super power - China more than capable of projecting its self in that manner.
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Re: Will US Occupation Forces Face Justice?
Reply #33 - Nov 18th, 2011 at 5:55am
 
corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 10:40pm:
Any way its all a little absurd and more than a bit arrogant to have US forces here for security when we have a regional super power - China more than capable of projecting its self in that manner.



Of course it would have been more sensible to invite China, even though they most likely would have reneged.

It will test the strength of the Chinese to ignore America's niggling and get on with becoming an even bigger super power. The last thing they'd want is to be involved in a stupid US led attack just when they're top dog.


There's the matter of the oil reserves off the Philippines that they and China want. I think the yanks have come over to bat for the Philippines, along with causing other disruption in the region.

Is anyone growing poppies in the top end that we don't know about?
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andrei said: Great isn't it? Seeing boatloads of what is nothing more than human garbage turn up.....
 
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Re: Will US Occupation Forces Face Justice?
Reply #34 - Nov 18th, 2011 at 10:37am
 
corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 3:12pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 3:06pm:
corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 3:04pm:
The Government is tight lipped over the sovereignty issue of Justice and violent crimes committed by heavily armed US occupation forces - my bet is they will face US military justice and will never see the inside of an Australian court for the crimes they commit against us.  And that is not good enough - why is the Government putting the Australian people second?

ohhh, ok I see your problem, you're an idiot.  Grin


If you believe the issue of the rape of Australian women by US occupation forces is a laughing matter then am appalled.  The behavior of US forces in the Philippines and Japan is a matter of record.


Matter of record, so is their court cases.
Your off the planet on this one.
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Re: Will US Occupation Forces Face Justice?
Reply #35 - Nov 18th, 2011 at 10:41am
 
corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 3:04pm:
The Government is tight lipped over the sovereignty issue of Justice and violent crimes committed by heavily armed US occupation forces - my bet is they will face US military justice and will never see the inside of an Australian court for the crimes they commit against us.  And that is not good enough - why is the Government putting the Australian people second?


Once again, US personnel have been charged and gaoled here before.
Secondly, these people are not armed when they are off base except in the case of shore patrol in which case a baton and pistol isn't 'heavily armed'.
Thirdly, keep off the hootchy kootch dude, it will fry your brain.
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"Another boat, another policy failure from the Howard government"

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Re: Will US Occupation Forces Face Justice?
Reply #36 - Nov 22nd, 2011 at 10:00pm
 
Whitey,
In the last 10 years how many women were raped by US soldiers
on each foreign base - start with e.g.  Japan?
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Re: Will US Occupation Forces Face Justice?
Reply #37 - Nov 24th, 2011 at 3:33pm
 
October 08, 2011
TWO US soldiers have been accused of raping teenage girls in South Korea in separate incidents, prompting US military officials to apologise today as they tried to ease growing public anger.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/two-us-soldiers-accused-of-rape-in-south-korea/story-fn3dxix6-1226162015164



US soldier facing death for rape, massacre

A former US soldier accused of being the ringleader of the gang rape of an Iraqi girl and the murder of her family bragged about how "awesome" it was, a prosecutor has told jurors.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2009-04-28/us-soldier-facing-death-for-rape-massacre/1665028



Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show rape'
Photographs of alleged prisoner abuse which Barack Obama is attempting to censor include images of apparent rape and sexual abuse, it has emerged.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/5395830/Abu-Ghraib-abuse-photos-show-rape.html



If they would rape so many of their own, why would they think twice about raping a foreign Ossy woman?

Military sexual assault and rape 'epidemic'
Studies suggest as many as one in three female soldiers are raped during their US military service.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2011/09/2011916112412992221.html
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Re: Will US Occupation Forces Face Justice?
Reply #38 - Nov 24th, 2011 at 7:24pm
 
falah wrote on Nov 24th, 2011 at 3:33pm:
October 08, 2011
TWO US soldiers have been accused of raping teenage girls in South Korea in separate incidents, prompting US military officials to apologise today as they tried to ease growing public anger.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/two-us-soldiers-accused-of-rape-in-south-korea/story-fn3dxix6-1226162015164



US soldier facing death for rape, massacre

A former US soldier accused of being the ringleader of the gang rape of an Iraqi girl and the murder of her family bragged about how "awesome" it was, a prosecutor has told jurors.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2009-04-28/us-soldier-facing-death-for-rape-massacre/1665028



Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show rape'
Photographs of alleged prisoner abuse which Barack Obama is attempting to censor include images of apparent rape and sexual abuse, it has emerged.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/5395830/Abu-Ghraib-abuse-photos-show-rape.html



If they would rape so many of their own, why would they think twice about raping a foreign Ossy woman?

Military sexual assault and rape 'epidemic'
Studies suggest as many as one in three female soldiers are raped during their US military service.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2011/09/2011916112412992221.html



That's terrible but zero in Japan in the last 10 years?
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Re: Will US Occupation Forces Face Justice?
Reply #39 - Nov 24th, 2011 at 10:56pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 24th, 2011 at 7:24pm:
falah wrote on Nov 24th, 2011 at 3:33pm:
October 08, 2011
TWO US soldiers have been accused of raping teenage girls in South Korea in separate incidents, prompting US military officials to apologise today as they tried to ease growing public anger.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/two-us-soldiers-accused-of-rape-in-south-korea/story-fn3dxix6-1226162015164



US soldier facing death for rape, massacre

A former US soldier accused of being the ringleader of the gang rape of an Iraqi girl and the murder of her family bragged about how "awesome" it was, a prosecutor has told jurors.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2009-04-28/us-soldier-facing-death-for-rape-massacre/1665028



Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show rape'
Photographs of alleged prisoner abuse which Barack Obama is attempting to censor include images of apparent rape and sexual abuse, it has emerged.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/5395830/Abu-Ghraib-abuse-photos-show-rape.html



If they would rape so many of their own, why would they think twice about raping a foreign Ossy woman?

Military sexual assault and rape 'epidemic'
Studies suggest as many as one in three female soldiers are raped during their US military service.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2011/09/2011916112412992221.html



That's terrible but zero in Japan in the last 10 years?


Oh come on Bobby....you know there must have been cases...After all, the Americans are always wrong....

It's just that the Freemasons sent in the MIBs to erase everyones memory of it...
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Re: Will US Occupation Forces Face Justice?
Reply #40 - Nov 24th, 2011 at 11:19pm
 
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Oh come on Bobby....you know there must have been cases...After all, the Americans are always wrong....

It's just that the Freemasons sent in the MIBs to erase everyones memory of it...


Yeah but you make out like the Yanks just can't keep their zippers done up.
Out flops the Alabama Black Snake & it's all on.
Grin
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Reply #41 - Nov 25th, 2011 at 6:31am
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 24th, 2011 at 11:19pm:
Gizmo,
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Oh come on Bobby....you know there must have been cases...After all, the Americans are always wrong....

It's just that the Freemasons sent in the MIBs to erase everyones memory of it...


Yeah but you make out like the Yanks just can't keep their zippers done up.
Out flops the Alabama Black Snake & it's all on.
Grin


It was sarcasm Bobby...
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Reply #42 - Nov 28th, 2011 at 6:59am
 
The US military has tried to cover up attacks on its own women:

Former US troops sue for sexual abuse


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Former US service members have filed a lawsuit against the government, claiming to have been sexually abused while on duty.


The US government is facing a lawsuit filed by former service members claiming to have been sexually abused while on military duty.


The lawsuit was filed by 28 former troops, who say they were sexually assaulted or harassed, The Navy Times reported.

The lawsuit claims that former defense secretaries Robert Gates and Donald Rumsfeld violated the service members' constitutional rights by running ill-advised institutions.

According to the claims, the institutions failed to protect military personnel from sexual harassment and assault, often promoting perpetrators while even openly retaliating against the victims “ordered to keep quiet”.

The institutions are also accused of mocking congressionally mandated reforms.

“If you look at just the last 10 years, there have been numerous instances of rapes and sexual assaults and they have been poorly handled,” Washington D.C. attorney for the plaintiffs, Susan Burke said.

Burke added that the “retaliation is widespread; there are efforts to blame the victim. Many of the victims are drummed out of military service.”

Leading plaintiff Kori Cioca, a former member of the Coast Guard from 2005 to 2007 says she was raped in 2005 by a superior, while Naval Aircrewman (Avionics) 3rd Class Katelyn Boatman, currently on active duty, says she was drugged and raped in 2010.

Former Coast Guard officer Panayiota Bertzikis also claims to have been raped in 2006 by a shipmate.

Most of the victims have been accused of being “liars”.

Earlier this year, the Pentagon ignored complaints by a group of female veterans over rape and sexual harassment by fellow active duty service members.

Last year, over 50,000 American male soldiers were also positively screened as victims of a 'military sexual trauma,' outnumbering 30,000 such cases eight years ago. Pentagon statistics also indicated that 56 percent of reports of sexual assault involved solider-on-soldier allegations

According to the Feres Doctrine adopted by the Supreme Court in 1950, current and former service members are barred from suing the government for damages for sustaining personal injuries while on duty.

The US Department of Defense did not consider soldier-on-soldier sexual harassment as an offense until 1992 and only acknowledged female victims.

http://www.presstv.com/detail/212481.html
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Reply #43 - Nov 28th, 2011 at 7:25am
 
The Australian military also tries to keep allegations of sexual abuse 'in the house'.

No Australian Prime Minister is going to remind the US military that rape is a crime.

But, no doubt, if the US military can negotiate with the complainant and local police to deal with the matter internally via military justice, as opposed to exposing its mission to the attention grabbing headlines of a public Australian trial, they will do it.
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Reply #44 - Nov 30th, 2011 at 11:20am
 

The Americans are not shooting their Australian comrades-in-arms. Not something that can be said about our great friends the Afghanis. But we won't talk about thatr because we all know that while the Americans will be judged by our and their moral and legal standards, the AFghanis are held to much lower standards.

There is no outrage about AFghani soldiers shooting their AUstralian comrades but there are endless bleetings on this thread, for example, about what might or might not happen if Americans might or might not commit a crime in Australia.




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