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Reply #106 - Nov 15^th, 2011 at 9:52am

Gizmo, I believe that God exists, and I believe in the teachings of Christianity. You have your opinion, I have mine. Isn't that the whole point politics and democracy? It seems that Lefties just can't face the fact that people disagree with them.

As it is, homosexual marriage is illegal, and I hope and pray with every fibre of my being that that remains the case.

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Reply #107 - Nov 15^th, 2011 at 9:53am

skippy. wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 7:27am:

olde.sault wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 5:25pm:

skippy. wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 3:48pm:

... wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 3:44pm:

skippy. wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 3:27pm:

olde.sault wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 3:19pm:

FriYAY wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 1:21pm:

Let them get married, who cares.

Just don’t expect/force everyone to agree with you that sticking your willy up some other blokes dirty blurter is a good thing.... Undecided

Indeed, very risky!

At least, one can get cyctitis, that usually needs antibiotic to cure, at most, AIDS.

Hardly a practice that can be sprinkled with Holy Water!

That is why such a relationship needs a different tag to a marriage between heterosexuals - I don't mean stunt- weddings between celebrities but that of a sincere couple planning to raise a family.

What business is it of yours if a couple of gay people want to marry? mind your own bloody business, its interfering, clueless, bigoted fools that cause all the problems in society today.

What business is it of yours if someone doesn't want to lend legitimacy to a gay couple pretending they are married?

No ones asking for your legitimacy, just to mind your own business, no one tells you who to marry.Now back under your rock.

The problem is that it'll bring marriage down to its lowest denominator. Folks won't bother so, you'll have gays going for the ceremony and heterosexuals, shacking up.

Parents have to set an example and I can't imagine a child (however begotten) brought up in a gay household.

As children are apt to follow the example of their carers, I suspect conflicting emotions and bullying at school.

Most kids don't want to be seen as different by fellow-students.

Many kids are living in gay households. My neighbors are lesbians they have three children that all go to my sons school they are not bullied because of their mothers sexuality. Bullying is a learned trait, only kids from a bigoted household, like yours, would do such crap., The problem is not with the gay parents, the problem is with the likes of YOU.

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Reply #108 - Nov 15^th, 2011 at 9:56am

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No, they highlight your bigoted thinking. If you want to be completely bloody-minded, the justification for those are rooted in the justification for marriage. Once marriage is justified then those same justifications can be used for anything.

Therefore, by your argument all marriages should be annulled because someone somewhere may want to marry a sheep. (How does the sheep even say "I do??")

Completely stupid.

I agree - that IS a completely stupid attempt at logic. Stick to the purely emotive arguments.

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Reply #109 - Nov 15^th, 2011 at 11:55am

matty wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 9:52am:

Gizmo, I believe that God exists, and I believe in the teachings of Christianity. You have your opinion, I have mine. Isn't that the whole point politics and democracy? It seems that Lefties just can't face the fact that people disagree with them.

As it is, homosexual marriage is illegal, and I hope and pray with every fibre of my being that that remains the case.

How the heck would I know Matty....I'm more on the Right than the Left...(Coalition voter)....

All I'm trying to do here, is to get you to see that your values on the subject don't fit everyone...You can't apply Christian values to what is basically a secular arguement...Changing the Australian laws to fit the times...

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Reply #110 - Nov 15^th, 2011 at 11:59am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 11:55am:

matty wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 9:52am:

Gizmo, I believe that God exists, and I believe in the teachings of Christianity. You have your opinion, I have mine. Isn't that the whole point politics and democracy? It seems that Lefties just can't face the fact that people disagree with them.

As it is, homosexual marriage is illegal, and I hope and pray with every fibre of my being that that remains the case.

How the heck would I know Matty....I'm more on the Right than the Left...(Coalition voter)....

All that I am saying gizmo is that it's fine that we disagree. You have your opinion, I have mine. We can respect each other's opposing view, can we not?

I know that you are on the right wing, you may even be more right wing than I am?

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Reply #111 - Nov 15^th, 2011 at 12:01pm

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No, they highlight your bigoted thinking. If you want to be completely bloody-minded, the justification for those are rooted in the justification for marriage. Once marriage is justified then those same justifications can be used for anything.

Therefore, by your argument all marriages should be annulled because someone somewhere may want to marry a sheep. (How does the sheep even say "I do??")

Completely stupid.

I agree - that IS a completely stupid attempt at logic. Stick to the purely emotive arguments.

Goodo, we agree on the stupid angle. Just remember that it is your logic not mine Wesley.

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Reply #112 - Nov 15^th, 2011 at 12:04pm

Gist wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 12:01pm:

... wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 9:56am:

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No, they highlight your bigoted thinking. If you want to be completely bloody-minded, the justification for those are rooted in the justification for marriage. Once marriage is justified then those same justifications can be used for anything.

Therefore, by your argument all marriages should be annulled because someone somewhere may want to marry a sheep. (How does the sheep even say "I do??")

Completely stupid.

I agree - that IS a completely stupid attempt at logic. Stick to the purely emotive arguments.

Goodo, we agree on the stupid angle. Just remember that it is your logic not mine Wesley.

No, if you can't or won't acknowledge a very simple concept - that marriage is a formalisation of the complementary relationship of man and woman - it's not my problem.

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Reply #113 - Nov 15^th, 2011 at 12:07pm

matty wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 11:59am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 11:55am:

matty wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 9:52am:

Gizmo, I believe that God exists, and I believe in the teachings of Christianity. You have your opinion, I have mine. Isn't that the whole point politics and democracy? It seems that Lefties just can't face the fact that people disagree with them.

As it is, homosexual marriage is illegal, and I hope and pray with every fibre of my being that that remains the case.

How the heck would I know Matty....I'm more on the Right than the Left...(Coalition voter)....

All that I am saying gizmo is that it's fine that we disagree. You have your opinion, I have mine. We can respect each other's opposing view, can we not?

I know that you are on the right wing, you may even be more right wing than I am?

I suppose we can, although I generally object to having religion pushed at me...

I'm not sure I'm more right wing than you.....I don't agree with all the ideals of either side..

I got a lot of my attitudes from my father, and he worked on the old 'fair go' principle....he judged people on their actions, not on class/race/whathaveyou....Which is really why I don't oppose gay marriage...it's not going to affect ME one way or the other, nor is it going to 'destroy' the institution of marriage......After all much the same arguements were used about the various 'mixed' marriages of the past...Catholic/Protestant, Christian/NonChristian and even interracial marriages......Strangely, the 'institution' has managed to survive....

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Reply #114 - Nov 15^th, 2011 at 12:12pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 12:07pm:

matty wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 11:59am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 11:55am:

matty wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 9:52am:

Gizmo, I believe that God exists, and I believe in the teachings of Christianity. You have your opinion, I have mine. Isn't that the whole point politics and democracy? It seems that Lefties just can't face the fact that people disagree with them.

As it is, homosexual marriage is illegal, and I hope and pray with every fibre of my being that that remains the case.

How the heck would I know Matty....I'm more on the Right than the Left...(Coalition voter)....

All that I am saying gizmo is that it's fine that we disagree. You have your opinion, I have mine. We can respect each other's opposing view, can we not?

I know that you are on the right wing, you may even be more right wing than I am?

I suppose we can, although I generally object to having religion pushed at me...

I'm not sure I'm more right wing than you.....I don't agree with all the ideals of either side..

I got a lot of my attitudes from my father, and he worked on the old 'fair go' principle....he judged people on their actions, not on class/race/whathaveyou....Which is really why I don't oppose gay marriage...it's not going to affect ME one way or the other, nor is it going to 'destroy' the institution of marriage......After all much the same arguements were used about the various 'mixed' marriages of the past...Catholic/Protestant, Christian/NonChristian and even interracial marriages......Strangely, the 'institution' has managed to survive....

Okay, but my intention, in this thread and elsewhere, is not to push my views on anyone, but to state them, and the reasoning behind them.

I do appreciate your point, gizmo, but I fundamentally view homosexual marriage as immoral, wrong and as an abomination.

I don't think that you are more right-wing than me either. I was just saying that you may be. For what it's worth, I consider you to be very moderately on the right wing, ie, centre, but leaning towards the right. May I please ask how you view me, out of the sake of interest?

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Reply #115 - Nov 15^th, 2011 at 12:34pm

matty wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 12:12pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 12:07pm:

matty wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 11:59am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 11:55am:

matty wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 9:52am:

Gizmo, I believe that God exists, and I believe in the teachings of Christianity. You have your opinion, I have mine. Isn't that the whole point politics and democracy? It seems that Lefties just can't face the fact that people disagree with them.

As it is, homosexual marriage is illegal, and I hope and pray with every fibre of my being that that remains the case.

How the heck would I know Matty....I'm more on the Right than the Left...(Coalition voter)....

All that I am saying gizmo is that it's fine that we disagree. You have your opinion, I have mine. We can respect each other's opposing view, can we not?

I know that you are on the right wing, you may even be more right wing than I am?

I suppose we can, although I generally object to having religion pushed at me...

I'm not sure I'm more right wing than you.....I don't agree with all the ideals of either side..

I got a lot of my attitudes from my father, and he worked on the old 'fair go' principle....he judged people on their actions, not on class/race/whathaveyou....Which is really why I don't oppose gay marriage...it's not going to affect ME one way or the other, nor is it going to 'destroy' the institution of marriage......After all much the same arguements were used about the various 'mixed' marriages of the past...Catholic/Protestant, Christian/NonChristian and even interracial marriages......Strangely, the 'institution' has managed to survive....

Okay, but my intention, in this thread and elsewhere, is not to push my views on anyone, but to state them, and the reasoning behind them.

I do appreciate your point, gizmo, but I fundamentally view homosexual marriage as immoral, wrong and as an abomination.

I don't think that you are more right-wing than me either. I was just saying that you may be. For what it's worth, I consider you to be very moderately on the right wing, ie, centre, but leaning towards the right. May I please ask how you view me, out of the sake of interest?

Pretty much the same matty......except for the religious influence of course... Wink

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Reply #116 - Nov 15^th, 2011 at 12:43pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 12:34pm:

matty wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 12:12pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 12:07pm:

matty wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 11:59am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 11:55am:

matty wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 9:52am:

Gizmo, I believe that God exists, and I believe in the teachings of Christianity. You have your opinion, I have mine. Isn't that the whole point politics and democracy? It seems that Lefties just can't face the fact that people disagree with them.

As it is, homosexual marriage is illegal, and I hope and pray with every fibre of my being that that remains the case.

How the heck would I know Matty....I'm more on the Right than the Left...(Coalition voter)....

All that I am saying gizmo is that it's fine that we disagree. You have your opinion, I have mine. We can respect each other's opposing view, can we not?

I know that you are on the right wing, you may even be more right wing than I am?

I suppose we can, although I generally object to having religion pushed at me...

I'm not sure I'm more right wing than you.....I don't agree with all the ideals of either side..

I got a lot of my attitudes from my father, and he worked on the old 'fair go' principle....he judged people on their actions, not on class/race/whathaveyou....Which is really why I don't oppose gay marriage...it's not going to affect ME one way or the other, nor is it going to 'destroy' the institution of marriage......After all much the same arguements were used about the various 'mixed' marriages of the past...Catholic/Protestant, Christian/NonChristian and even interracial marriages......Strangely, the 'institution' has managed to survive....

Okay, but my intention, in this thread and elsewhere, is not to push my views on anyone, but to state them, and the reasoning behind them.

I do appreciate your point, gizmo, but I fundamentally view homosexual marriage as immoral, wrong and as an abomination.

I don't think that you are more right-wing than me either. I was just saying that you may be. For what it's worth, I consider you to be very moderately on the right wing, ie, centre, but leaning towards the right. May I please ask how you view me, out of the sake of interest?

Pretty much the same matty......except for the religious influence of course... Wink

Thanks for the feedback, giz. The likes of alevine, skippy and nem call me far-right.

I do think that religion should be part of politics. I don't support the separation of church and state.

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Reply #117 - Nov 15^th, 2011 at 12:45pm

matty wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 12:43pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 12:34pm:

matty wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 12:12pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 12:07pm:

matty wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 11:59am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 11:55am:

matty wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 9:52am:

Gizmo, I believe that God exists, and I believe in the teachings of Christianity. You have your opinion, I have mine. Isn't that the whole point politics and democracy? It seems that Lefties just can't face the fact that people disagree with them.

As it is, homosexual marriage is illegal, and I hope and pray with every fibre of my being that that remains the case.

How the heck would I know Matty....I'm more on the Right than the Left...(Coalition voter)....

All that I am saying gizmo is that it's fine that we disagree. You have your opinion, I have mine. We can respect each other's opposing view, can we not?

I know that you are on the right wing, you may even be more right wing than I am?

I suppose we can, although I generally object to having religion pushed at me...

I'm not sure I'm more right wing than you.....I don't agree with all the ideals of either side..

I got a lot of my attitudes from my father, and he worked on the old 'fair go' principle....he judged people on their actions, not on class/race/whathaveyou....Which is really why I don't oppose gay marriage...it's not going to affect ME one way or the other, nor is it going to 'destroy' the institution of marriage......After all much the same arguements were used about the various 'mixed' marriages of the past...Catholic/Protestant, Christian/NonChristian and even interracial marriages......Strangely, the 'institution' has managed to survive....

Okay, but my intention, in this thread and elsewhere, is not to push my views on anyone, but to state them, and the reasoning behind them.

I do appreciate your point, gizmo, but I fundamentally view homosexual marriage as immoral, wrong and as an abomination.

I don't think that you are more right-wing than me either. I was just saying that you may be. For what it's worth, I consider you to be very moderately on the right wing, ie, centre, but leaning towards the right. May I please ask how you view me, out of the sake of interest?

Pretty much the same matty......except for the religious influence of course... Wink

Thanks for the feedback, giz. The likes of alevine, skippy and nem call me far-right.

I do think that religion should be part of politics. I don't support the separation of church and state.

Well that might be part of the problem matty.....politics covers ALL the people in the country...but religions only cover the followers of each particular religion...You can't really combine the two successfully...

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Reply #118 - Nov 15^th, 2011 at 2:44pm

skippy. wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 3:27pm:

olde.sault wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 3:19pm:

FriYAY wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 1:21pm:

Let them get married, who cares.

Just don’t expect/force everyone to agree with you that sticking your willy up some other blokes dirty blurter is a good thing.... Undecided

Indeed, very risky!

At least, one can get cyctitis, that usually needs antibiotic to cure, at most, AIDS.

Hardly a practice that can be sprinkled with Holy Water!

That is why such a relationship needs a different tag to a marriage between heterosexuals - I don't mean stunt- weddings between celebrities but that of a sincere couple planning to raise a family.

What business is it of yours if a couple of gay people want to marry? mind your own bloody business, its interfering, clueless, bigoted fools that cause all the problems in society today.

AIDS is a health concern as is lowering the meaning of marriage.

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Reply #119 - Nov 15^th, 2011 at 2:46pm

olde.sault wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 2:44pm:

skippy. wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 3:27pm:

olde.sault wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 3:19pm:

FriYAY wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 1:21pm:

Let them get married, who cares.

Just don’t expect/force everyone to agree with you that sticking your willy up some other blokes dirty blurter is a good thing.... Undecided

Indeed, very risky!

At least, one can get cyctitis, that usually needs antibiotic to cure, at most, AIDS.

Hardly a practice that can be sprinkled with Holy Water!

That is why such a relationship needs a different tag to a marriage between heterosexuals - I don't mean stunt- weddings between celebrities but that of a sincere couple planning to raise a family.

What business is it of yours if a couple of gay people want to marry? mind your own bloody business, its interfering, clueless, bigoted fools that cause all the problems in society today.

AIDS is a health concern as is lowering the meaning of marriage.

AIDS affects more than just gays you know...And the meaning of marriage is simply a recognised, life long commitment between two people....

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