Grey wrote on Jan 27^th, 2012 at 9:57am:



God is a verb, love, hate, hope, forgivness, sorrow are verbs - they exist only in a relation between beings = they are transitive verbs.

Soren wrote on Jan 27^th, 2012 at 5:15pm:

- and you know that for sure?

So you preclude the existence of God outside that context?

Pathetic Soren, absolutely irrelevant and pathetic. Unable to even read 2 pages of your Bible. Must be illiterate.

Too afraid to test his so called faith. Just a gutless coward.

As Bill Hicks said often "You're proving my point."? There is NO God.

Try and tell me how many siblings Jesus had, and their ages. Bible avoids mentioning them for obvious reasons. ACtually he did have at least one older sibling so Joseph must have been very understand to go for the Virgin crap.

Why is Jesus called Jesus of Nazareth when he was supposedly born in Bethlehem?

Why were his parents in Bethlehem at all. There supposedly was a census requiring they be there but there is no record in history of such a census. All bullshit.

Where was Jesus between age zero and 32? What did he do all that time? Not mentioned at all. A fiction.

How did a star in the sky guide "wise men" to this child". To be accurate the star must have been attached to the barn roof else it could have been indicating anywhere.

You'd swallow anything Soren, and I bet you do.

Muso,

You? Technically an atheist? On what basis do you make that claim. If you do not know there is no God you cannot be atheist. At best you would be agnostic, room for God or no God. In other words you don't know so atheism is beyond you.

There are many who claim to be atheist who cannot rule God out. You seem to be one such, therefore just posing as an atheist. You either are or yu aren't. Tell me, what evidence is there of a God. Only go back as far as the dawn of time and highlight anything that shows a shred of proof of this being.

Don't you see how simple this actually is? No evidence, no proof, no God. If someone produces such I'll change my views. Until then..... there is no God. What on earth are you "suspicious" about? Have I personally been hiding any such evidence since the dawn of time. Yes, got a room full of it. And I'm 40 million years old too.

Your comment is not logical and brands yourself as agnostic, not atheist as you do not KNOW. That's the bvery definition of atheism. KNOWING there is no God.

I speak for no one but me. I made that very clear early on. You have just spoken for yourself and make it clear you are NOT atheist at all. Just another fake.

I am here to ask Soren to back up his bullshit and he can't. Failed every single challenge and is too scared to even try.

Soren wrote "I didn't realise there was another context."

An admission of fact. He sees only one thing, from one perspective. No thought required.

Let's make it even simpler Soren et all.

The very first line of Genesis gives it away. "In the beginning". Beginning of what? And if it was the beginning how is it God was already there? Presuppposes he came from elsewhere to be "At the beginning". Therefore it could not be the beginning of anything. The photo of the Big Bang, Google it) tells you where Earth came from.

Just bullshit but fine words for Moody Blues songs.

Soren. Put up or shut up,. You are a complete idiot with no convictions at all. You are just another noisy little troll with nothing to say. TROLL.

BETEARS wrote on Jan 28^th, 2012 at 8:19am:


Aha!  You contradict yourself all over the place. That highlighted statement shows that you would change your mind if the evidence changed.  That's not "know". Pull the other one.

It's like saying there is no Pluto in the 18th Century.  That's fine, but nobody is saying that there can't be another planet beyond Neptune (or Uranus depending on which part of the 18th Century you're in. 

By your definition, you're an agnostic. By my definition, you're an atheist.

My definition is "An Atheist is somebody who doesn't believe in God". It's quite simple. No mention of existence and no mention of certainty. So you can have agnostic atheists.  You're obviously new to this, so have a read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic_atheism

An agnostic is a person who doesn't know if God exists. An Agnostic atheist is a person who doesn't know for sure that God exists (for all he knows there could be a God) but he doesn't believe in God (ie god or gods have no relevance in his life).

From what I see, you haven't considered any other Gods outside Christianity because all you do is harp on about the Bible like some Richard Dawkins clone.

Soren wrote on Jan 28^th, 2012 at 9:33am:


First principle stuff? Come on - you were going on about it ad nauseum last year and I didn't necessarily disagree with you.

You could very well ask, what do you know about God?

muso wrote on Jan 28^th, 2012 at 5:25pm:



Not first principle stuff.

(I don't remember going on about first principles last year or the year before.)

I know about God what has been articulated in the words and actions of generations of people before me. I don't dismiss them, just because they are dead. I will not dismiss 4000 years of life, literature, art, theology, comedy and tragedy for the hubris of the last 50 or so.

BETEARS wrote on Jan 27^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:




BETEARS,

Oh majestic and wise one.

You have searched, and searched, and found no ['worldly'] evidence of God,
ergo, God does not exist. [.....you say.]






BETEARS,

As a wise man on the OzPol forum once said....

Quote:




Yes muso, yes muso, it was you.







BETEARS,

500 years ago, we didn't have machines that could detect radio waves.

But, radio waves still existed, even 500 years ago.

n.b.
Naturally occurring radio waves have always existed, ....well as long as the universe has, anyway.



Today, we humans still cannot see 'invisible' radio waves.

But today, a human being of average intelligence, would never dream of claiming that radio waves do not exist.



Yadda om's, and om's, in the lounge room and yes, Yadda can follow the logic of the blind man, who declares;



OR,





Of course, stars in the night sky, and the beauty of colours in flowers, do NOT exist, for a blind man.




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Hey BETEARS,

I have evidence of God's existence,
ergo, i know that God exists.


Two different people, searching, searching.

CONCLUSION;
Different experience = = a different perception.


Hey BETEARS,

I, and people like myself, have a different perception from people like yourself.

Why is that ?




Matthew 13:10
And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11  He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12  For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13  Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
14  And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
15  For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.




Yadda said,

'people like myself'

;
search for the name >> Yasmin << [in this article].
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article510589.ece




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You want to know what proof i have, that God exists ???

None.

>> I << have proof that God exists.

But i have no proof to present to you.



But do you want to know why you can't see God ???

It is coz you [like all carnal men] are 'looking' for God in all of the wrong places.



John 4:24
God is a Spirit....

Romans 14:17
For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.




Gandalf - FOTR


Matthew 6:33
.....seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness;...






Indifference to injustice is the gateway to hell.



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BETEARS,

If you [an atheist] were to step outside on a sunny cloudless day, though you cannot see them [but because you have the 'comprehension' that stars surround the earth], you would never dream of suggesting that there are no stars in the sky above your head.


Yet you [an atheist], do not have the humility to imagine that reality, is NOT bounded by the limits of your own senses and comprehension.



And in my experience, atheists are people who hate truth.

They have an absolute aversion to it!

Q.
What reasoning, do i apply in that statement?

A.
The possibility of (a) truth which does not comply with, and is not bounded within, their own comprehension, is offensive and unthinkable to atheists. [...mostly because the have a 'gaining' in mind, in rejecting truth.]i
But hey BETEARS, go your own way.

Walk your path, oh wise man #2.

Have a nice life.