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Re: How Atheist Are You?
Reply #210 - Feb 19^th, 2012 at 7:55pm

On the ISLAM board, muso presented this post, with a neat chart/graphic.....

muso wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:00am:

Lestat wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 9:38am:

To now claim that agnostics and athiests are the same, which they are not, is laughable. To claim that 'Tom Huxley' came up with the term is even more laughable.

I'm not getting into the argument about Einstein. The way that God existed for Einstein is different from the way God exists for you and the way God exists for me. If we're talking about Gods with three different sets of attributes, the terms atheist and Theist don't convey much intelligence. I'd stick to Muslim in your case. "Muslim" and "Christian" are at least well defined whereas "Theist" is a bit wooly because God (Allah) outside the major religions is not adequately defined.

Here is a chart that I find useful. Agnostic is centred on knowledge and atheist is centred on belief - not that I use such terms much myself.

White = yes, Black = no and grey = grey. Grin

muso,

Nice chart/graphic.

But really, 'Agnosticism' does not sit well with the attribute which it is given; Knowledge

Dictionary;
agnostic = = a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God.

Dictionary;
theism = = belief in the existence of a god, a creator who intervenes in the universe.

Dictionary;
atheism = = the belief that God does not exist.

Hey muso,

I like this graphic [below] better. Wink

And i come back to my own little list;

1. There are people who believe that there is no God.
2. There are people who believe that there may be a God. But hey, they don't know.
3. There are people who believe that there is a God, and they pray to him.
4. There are people who know there is a God.

p.s.
re my #4; In my experience people do not find God, no matter how hard they 'search' for him.
God reveals himself to some people. Period.
If you do want to search for God, you must search for God with your heart.

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Re: How Atheist Are You?
Reply #212 - Feb 19^th, 2012 at 8:46pm

Soren wrote on Feb 19^th, 2012 at 8:30pm:

Those charts - too boxy.

Yes, they sure are.

Someone once described humans to me, as 'visual' creatures who can best interpret data, or comprehend 'incoming' data more easily, when data is presented to us visually, rather that linguistically, or conceptually.

For example;
For most persons, looking at a stock chart, we can clearly see the direction and movement of a price line, .......much more clearly, than, for example, looking at a set of figures on a piece of paper, or on a spreadsheet.

Similarly, we could verbally describe a beautiful sunset to someone, to another person.
But most of us would much rather experience the visual reality of a beautiful sunset- because that experience is more pleasing, and its beauty is so much easier to 'grasp', visually.

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Re: How Atheist Are You?
Reply #213 - Feb 20^th, 2012 at 9:50am

Soren wrote on Feb 19^th, 2012 at 8:30pm:

Those charts - too boxy.

Agreed. You can put definitions of words in boxes, but I have never claimed to do the same with personal beliefs.

I've always maintained that Atheist and Agnostic are concepts that are too vague to make any real sense.

OK, I can buy Christian and Non-Christian, and I can buy Muslim and Non-Muslim, but a general definition of a person who believes in any definition of a god (pick a god - any god) and the corresponding negative "belief" is not very useful.

I don't have the same problem with Deism.

Yadda - I don't understand your chart because I think you've broken the convention of white = yes, black= no. What I think you're saying is that from where you sit, atheists and agnostics (Let's just call them non-Christians, because I think you'd probably lump Muslims and Animists in that category too), are not aware of the spirit of God. OK, I can understand your viewpoint.

I think it could also be a question of interpretation, in other words those day to day experiences that you interpret as evidence of God, I interpret as evidence of the human condition. We are not machines and we are certainly not totally logical, and we have a number of what I'd term "mental appendixes" (think body organ).

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Re: How Atheist Are You?
Reply #214 - Feb 21^st, 2012 at 4:17pm

muso wrote on Feb 20^th, 2012 at 9:50am:

Soren wrote on Feb 19^th, 2012 at 8:30pm:

Those charts - too boxy.

Agreed. You can put definitions of words in boxes, but I have never claimed to do the same with personal beliefs.

I've always maintained that Atheist and Agnostic are concepts that are too vague to make any real sense.

OK, I can buy Christian and Non-Christian, and I can buy Muslim and Non-Muslim, but a general definition of a person who believes in any definition of a god (pick a god - any god) and the corresponding negative "belief" is not very useful.

I don't have the same problem with Deism.

Yadda - I don't understand your chart because I think you've broken the convention of white = yes, black= no. What I think you're saying is that from where you sit, atheists and agnostics (Let's just call them non-Christians, because I think you'd probably lump Muslims and Animists in that category too), are not aware of the spirit of God. OK, I can understand your viewpoint.

I think it could also be a question of interpretation, in other words those day to day experiences that you interpret as evidence of God, I interpret as evidence of the human condition. We are not machines and we are certainly not totally logical, and we have a number of what I'd term "mental appendixes" (think body organ).

".....those day to day experiences that you interpret as evidence of God, I interpret as evidence of the human condition."

Yes muso, the human condition.

That is what i am experiencing too. Wink

And more.

muso,
if you look at your little graphic, Sisyphus, that is me.

That is Yadda. Wink

Luke 18:1
And he spake a parable unto them to this end, that men ought always to pray, and not to faint;
2 Saying, There was in a city a judge, which feared not God, neither regarded man:
3 And there was a widow in that city; and she came unto him, saying, Avenge me of mine adversary.
4 And he would not for a while: but afterward he said within himself, Though I fear not God, nor regard man;
5 Yet because this widow troubleth me, I will avenge her, lest by her continual coming she weary me.

Yadda is like the widow, and God is like that unjust judge. Wink

No ?

Deuteronomy 10:12
And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,

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Re: How Atheist Are You?
Reply #215 - Feb 21^st, 2012 at 8:51pm

Yadda wrote on Feb 21^st, 2012 at 4:17pm:

muso wrote on Feb 20^th, 2012 at 9:50am:

Soren wrote on Feb 19^th, 2012 at 8:30pm:

Those charts - too boxy.

Agreed. You can put definitions of words in boxes, but I have never claimed to do the same with personal beliefs.

I've always maintained that Atheist and Agnostic are concepts that are too vague to make any real sense.

OK, I can buy Christian and Non-Christian, and I can buy Muslim and Non-Muslim, but a general definition of a person who believes in any definition of a god (pick a god - any god) and the corresponding negative "belief" is not very useful.

I don't have the same problem with Deism.

Yadda - I don't understand your chart because I think you've broken the convention of white = yes, black= no. What I think you're saying is that from where you sit, atheists and agnostics (Let's just call them non-Christians, because I think you'd probably lump Muslims and Animists in that category too), are not aware of the spirit of God. OK, I can understand your viewpoint.

I think it could also be a question of interpretation, in other words those day to day experiences that you interpret as evidence of God, I interpret as evidence of the human condition. We are not machines and we are certainly not totally logical, and we have a number of what I'd term "mental appendixes" (think body organ).

".....those day to day experiences that you interpret as evidence of God, I interpret as evidence of the human condition."

Yes muso, the human condition.

That is what i am experiencing too. Wink

And more.

muso,

Something is changing, within me [it seems].

Just in the last 6 months....

When i go to bed, i will lay down on my bed, and turn off my bedroom light.
And then, my bedroom should be [and usually is] almost pitch black, esp. if there is no moon outside.
But in the last 6 months, on a several occasions, i have noticed a soft light [perhaps as bright as one lighted candle], it is just bright enough so that i can make out the position of the walls and furniture in my bedroom.
This isn't a dream, i am fully conscious, having just seconds ago, got into bed.

And, i can see this soft light in my bedroom, whether my eyes are open or, shut.
How weird is that?
LOL

On one occasion i could see the bright source of the light, which seemed quite a distance off [perhaps 100-200 meters].

I don't know what it [my 'seeing' this light] signifies.

And i don't know why this 'presence' has been 'apparent' to me, in just that last few months

But i have a strong sense that my 'God', is the source of this light.

On those several occasions when i have noticed the presence of this light, i just accept the 'light' being there, and i will just drift off to sleep normally.

[In my daily prayers, i normally ask God to protect me from the prayers [i.e. the curses] of demons, and i ask God to always surround me with his light.]

n.b.
I am not on any medication, and i do not take 'recreational' drugs.

Who needs 'recreational' drugs!!? Grin

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Re: How Atheist Are You?
Reply #216 - Feb 22^nd, 2012 at 10:12am

Yadda, You go on believing what you want to. Many Christians who deconvert suffer a very miserable existence. I'm not even going to go there.

I see your faith as a very positive thing. It benefits you and motivates you.

This is probably not the best forum to relate personal experiences of that kind. I'm concerned that people will dissect them, or make cheap remarks about your sanity.

I regard personal experiences of that kind as "sacred" in a sense, but my interpretation is different from yours. You do realise that we all have our "epiphanies?" (Myself included) It's not specific to Christians by any means. I feel that I know myself a lot better as a result of such events. So if you're insane, I'm proudly insane too.

Dark starry nights, especially in wilderness settings, the moon coming from behind a cloud, beautiful natural vistas all bring on such moments for me.

The human condition is a pretty special thing, and your "God" is obviously pretty special too. I respect your view and will continue to defend your right to that view against idiots.

If only we could have a forum where we could discuss such things openly. I find such discussions very illuminating. (I think you know me well enough to realise that I'm not being patronising.)

Go in peace, my friend.

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Re: How Atheist Are You?
Reply #217 - Feb 22^nd, 2012 at 11:35am

muso wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2012 at 10:12am:

Yadda, You go on believing what you want to. Many Christians who deconvert suffer a very miserable existence. I'm not even going to go there.

I see your faith as a very positive thing. It benefits you and motivates you.

This is probably not the best forum to relate personal experiences of that kind.

I'm concerned that people will dissect them, or make cheap remarks about your sanity.

Yes, i realise that possibility, of opening myself to disparagement, ridicule, pity, muso.

Yadda, the NOT normal one. Cheesy

muso,

I look at mankind in this world, and i'm just glad, and i am happy, to be NOT 'normal'. Wink

I feel sorry, for much of mankind.

muso wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2012 at 10:12am:

I regard personal experiences of that kind as "sacred" in a sense, but my interpretation is different from yours. You do realise that we all have our "epiphanies?" (Myself included) It's not specific to Christians by any means. I feel that I know myself a lot better as a result of such events. So if you're insane, I'm proudly insane too.

OK, thanks for that, ......i think! Grin

muso wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2012 at 10:12am:

Dark starry nights, especially in wilderness settings, the moon coming from behind a cloud, beautiful natural vistas all bring on such moments for me.

The human condition is a pretty special thing, and your "God" is obviously pretty special too. I respect your view and will continue to defend your right to that view against idiots.

If only we could have a forum where we could discuss such things openly. I find such discussions very illuminating. (I think you know me well enough to realise that I'm not being patronising.)

Go in peace, my friend.

You too, muso.

Thank you, for your tolerance, of this foolish person, that i am.

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Re: How Atheist Are You?
Reply #219 - Feb 28^th, 2012 at 2:18am

wilrichards wrote on Feb 28^th, 2012 at 1:58am:

I personally don't believe in one religion, at least none of them I know seems to be the right for me, but I do believe in a god, or something like that. Sometimes I believe more and sometimes I believe less.. and sometimes I even think that I believe in Christianity. I'm twisted.

wilrichards,

A suggestion.

If you care to.

Try reading the Psalms. [ <-----my fav book of the Bible.]

If anything can 'un-twist' you, the Psalms can, imo.

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Re: How Atheist Are You?
Reply #220 - Mar 10^th, 2012 at 7:27pm

Yadda wrote on Feb 28^th, 2012 at 2:18am:

wilrichards wrote on Feb 28^th, 2012 at 1:58am:

I personally don't believe in one religion, at least none of them I know seems to be the right for me, but I do believe in a god, or something like that. Sometimes I believe more and sometimes I believe less.. and sometimes I even think that I believe in Christianity. I'm twisted.

wilrichards,

A suggestion.

If you care to.

Try reading the Psalms. [ <-----my fav book of the Bible.]

If anything can 'un-twist' you, the Psalms can, imo.

to many times at youth group and bible study. do simpletons like you really think kids don't realise they are being lied too.

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Re: How Atheist Are You?
Reply #221 - Mar 11^th, 2012 at 6:11am

nairbe wrote on Mar 10^th, 2012 at 7:27pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 28^th, 2012 at 2:18am:

wilrichards wrote on Feb 28^th, 2012 at 1:58am:

I personally don't believe in one religion, at least none of them I know seems to be the right for me, but I do believe in a god, or something like that. Sometimes I believe more and sometimes I believe less.. and sometimes I even think that I believe in Christianity. I'm twisted.

wilrichards,

A suggestion.

If you care to.

Try reading the Psalms. [ <-----my fav book of the Bible.]

If anything can 'un-twist' you, the Psalms can, imo.

to many times at youth group and bible study.

do simpletons like you really think kids don't realise they are being lied too.

nairbe,

So, only what is 'apparent' [i.e. what can be seen, or what we can 'poke'] is true/real ? Grin

e.g.
Do you believe everything you are told by the mainstream media, so long as it offers you a 'promise' of 'certainty' ?

LOL

In this world, in this society, promises are made, to be broken.

Of that, you can be certain. Grin

Of course we are being lied to.

But what is the 'truth' ?

If you want to find truth, then look for it inside yourself, not in the world.

Because truth is not a 'rock' which can be held in our hand.

Truth is a concept [e.g. like morality].

Dictionary;
morality = =
1 principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behaviour. a system of values and moral principles.
2 the extent to which an action is right or wrong.

When i was a child, the word discrimination had a different meaning to what it has today.

The word discrimination once had the meaning of #2, below.

Today the word discrimination predominantly, has the meaning of #1, below.

Dictionary;
discrimination = =
1 the action of discriminating against people.
2 recognition and understanding of the difference between one thing and another. good judgement or taste.

Today, our modern God-less culture would like us to believe [and is teaching our children] that there is no 'right' or 'wrong'.

Today, everything [i.e. 'right' or 'wrong'] is defined around perceived 'harm'.

Everything, anything, is permissible so long as no 'harm' is done.

Our societal 'morality leaders' now teach us that discernment of 'right' or 'wrong' or, 'good' or 'evil' is a [social] crime.

Today, the act of 'discrimination' is portrayed as a [social] crime.

nairbe,

Q.
Do simpletons like you really think kids don't realise they are being lied too.

They do, we all have a 'sense' of it.

But we [the children of this generation] are confused, and lost.

Confused, and lost, is what happens to people who have no moral anchor.

And those people who are confused, and lost, can be easily led, by other evil men.

So, for wanting 'something' [which is missing, within us], we become the servants of evil.

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Matthew 13:10
And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

nairbe,

How can a person learn 'the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven'
?

Psalms 25:12
What man is he that feareth the LORD? him shall he teach in the way that he shall choose.
13 His soul shall dwell at ease; and his seed shall inherit the earth.
14 The secret of the LORD is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant.

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nairbe,

Go your way.

Walk your own path.

Have a nice life.

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Re: How Atheist Are You?
Reply #222 - Mar 11^th, 2012 at 2:18pm

Yadda wrote on Mar 11^th, 2012 at 6:11am:

nairbe wrote on Mar 10^th, 2012 at 7:27pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 28^th, 2012 at 2:18am:

wilrichards wrote on Feb 28^th, 2012 at 1:58am:

I personally don't believe in one religion, at least none of them I know seems to be the right for me, but I do believe in a god, or something like that. Sometimes I believe more and sometimes I believe less.. and sometimes I even think that I believe in Christianity. I'm twisted.

wilrichards,

A suggestion.

If you care to.

Try reading the Psalms. [ <-----my fav book of the Bible.]

If anything can 'un-twist' you, the Psalms can, imo.

to many times at youth group and bible study.

do simpletons like you really think kids don't realise they are being lied too.

nairbe,

So, only what is 'apparent' [i.e. what can be seen, or what we can 'poke'] is true/real ? Grin

e.g.
Do you believe everything you are told by the mainstream media, so long as it offers you a 'promise' of 'certainty' ?

LOL

In this world, in this society, promises are made, to be broken.

Of that, you can be certain. Grin

Of course we are being lied to.

But what is the 'truth' ?

If you want to find truth, then look for it inside yourself, not in the world.

Because truth is not a 'rock' which can be held in our hand.

Truth is a concept [e.g. like morality].

Dictionary;
morality = =
1 principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behaviour. a system of values and moral principles.
2 the extent to which an action is right or wrong.

When i was a child, the word discrimination had a different meaning to what it has today.

The word discrimination once had the meaning of #2, below.

Today the word discrimination predominantly, has the meaning of #1, below.

Dictionary;
discrimination = =
1 the action of discriminating against people.
2 recognition and understanding of the difference between one thing and another. good judgement or taste.

Today, our modern God-less culture would like us to believe [and is teaching our children] that there is no 'right' or 'wrong'.

Today, everything [i.e. 'right' or 'wrong'] is defined around perceived 'harm'.

Everything, anything, is permissible so long as no 'harm' is done.

Our societal 'morality leaders' now teach us that discernment of 'right' or 'wrong' or, 'good' or 'evil' is a [social] crime.

Today, the act of 'discrimination' is portrayed as a [social] crime.

nairbe,

Q.
Do simpletons like you really think kids don't realise they are being lied too.

They do, we all have a 'sense' of it.

But we [the children of this generation] are confused, and lost.

Confused, and lost, is what happens to people who have no moral anchor.

And those people who are confused, and lost, can be easily led, by other evil men.

So, for wanting 'something' [which is missing, within us], we become the servants of evil.

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Matthew 13:10
And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

nairbe,

How can a person learn 'the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven'
?

Psalms 25:12
What man is he that feareth the LORD? him shall he teach in the way that he shall choose.
13 His soul shall dwell at ease; and his seed shall inherit the earth.
14 The secret of the LORD is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant.

+++

nairbe,

Go your way.

Walk your own path.

Have a nice life.

Very sweet Yadda but not a shread of sense in any of it.

Do you believe what the media tells you? I certainly believe very little of what the media says, i use my years of life the experiences i have had the events i have seen, these are the tools that will not lie to you. The church lied to me for years and then lied to cover the lies when chalenged so please.

Yadda,

If you require a god to give you a morale anchor then you have very shallow morale values and are clearly struggling with yourself as to what those values are. I am very comfortable in my skin and my morale compass is spot on thanks. I know how i wish to be treated and treat other the same, HONESTLY.

Yadda,

So yes go your way in life as shall I, I never suggested otherwise nor do i push my views anywhere except on atheist sites where i like to challenge this silly idea that atheism is a religion.

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Reply #223 - Mar 11^th, 2012 at 3:06pm

nairbe wrote on Mar 11^th, 2012 at 2:18pm:

Do you believe what the media tells you? I certainly believe very little of what the media says, i use my years of life the experiences i have had the events i have seen, these are the tools that will not lie to you.

The church lied to me for years and then lied to cover the lies when chalenged so please.

Well i'm sorry that that happened to you.

So if the spirit of God exists, it is OK [it is just], to blame the spirit of God, for what men did to you.

???

nairbe wrote on Mar 11^th, 2012 at 2:18pm:

Yadda,

If you require a god to give you a morale anchor then you have very shallow morale values and are clearly struggling with yourself as to what those values are.

That is true.

I do struggle, with 'interfacing' with this world, every single day.

And i am weak, and it is the spirit of God that sustains me, in this evil world of men.

I am not strong, .....God is strong, and his spirit helps me.

1 John 3:1
Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

Jeremiah 17:14
Heal me, O LORD, and I shall be healed; save me, and I shall be saved: for thou art my praise.inairbe wrote on Mar 11^th, 2012 at 2:18pm:

I am very comfortable in my skin and my morale compass is spot on thanks. I know how i wish to be treated and treat other the same, HONESTLY.

I don't think so [I don't believe you].

Personally, i think that you are being willful, and rebellious.

And you are using the excuse of past betrayals, by people 'representing' God, to you, as an excuse to now pursue your own rebellious path.

And that is your choice.

God's spirit does not compel us.

God spirit only calls to us.

But don't blame God.

Instead, accept the responsibility, for the consequences, of your own choices.

And inevitably, we all must.

Revelation 3:19
As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: How Atheist Are You?
Reply #224 - Mar 11^th, 2012 at 7:25pm

Yadda wrote on Mar 11^th, 2012 at 3:06pm:

nairbe wrote on Mar 11^th, 2012 at 2:18pm:

Do you believe what the media tells you? I certainly believe very little of what the media says, i use my years of life the experiences i have had the events i have seen, these are the tools that will not lie to you.

The church lied to me for years and then lied to cover the lies when chalenged so please.

Well i'm sorry that that happened to you.

So if the spirit of God exists, it is OK [it is just], to blame the spirit of God, for what men did to you.

???

nairbe wrote on Mar 11^th, 2012 at 2:18pm:

Yadda,

If you require a god to give you a morale anchor then you have very shallow morale values and are clearly struggling with yourself as to what those values are.

That is true.

I do struggle, with 'interfacing' with this world, every single day.

And i am weak, and it is the spirit of God that sustains me, in this evil world of men.

I am not strong, .....God is strong, and his spirit helps me.

1 John 3:1
Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

Jeremiah 17:14
Heal me, O LORD, and I shall be healed; save me, and I shall be saved: for thou art my praise.inairbe wrote on Mar 11^th, 2012 at 2:18pm:

I am very comfortable in my skin and my morale compass is spot on thanks. I know how i wish to be treated and treat other the same, HONESTLY.

I don't think so [I don't believe you].

Personally, i think that you are being willful, and rebellious.

And you are using the excuse of past betrayals, by people 'representing' God, to you, as an excuse to now pursue your own rebellious path.

And that is your choice.

God's spirit does not compel us.

God spirit only calls to us.

But don't blame God.

Instead, accept the responsibility, for the consequences, of your own choices.

And inevitably, we all must.

Revelation 3:19
As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

OH please, you are weak and it is the spirit that helps you, what a weak cop out. Stop using a fairytale as a crutch and an excuse when you can not control your behaviour. You are the one incontrol so be clear with yourself and stop taking the weak way out.

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