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Abu plays the racism card
Oct 19th, 2011 at 10:10pm
 
This is interesting. No longer satisfied with insulting people who disagree with him, Abu has taken to accusing them of racism. Here are some examples:

We start with a nice rational argument about population policy:

freediver wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 8:56pm:
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People are opposed to increasing the population usually due to xenophobia and fear of competition


I think fear is the wrong term to use. There are perfectly rational and emotionless reasons for not wanting more competition. Most of the people calling for population policy are traditionally the pro-immigration type. This is often levelled at them as an accusation of hypocrisy.

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Yes the less people you have the better slice of the pie you get, but over time the size of pie decreases.


It depends on the pie. My pie is not made from the filth of a million immigrants.

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We live in a world of countries with much higher populations than us. They will continue increasing, and eventually they'll come and take over our sparsely populated country for themselves.


Cannon fodder does not win wars any more. It hasn't for a very long time. Ultimately the military and economic advantage of the west comes from it's relatively low population density. It is also why China is suddenly making leaps and bounds. How is that for the big picture?


Abu loses and plays the racism card:

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 18th, 2011 at 6:14pm:
If they're white, I'm sure it'd be alright...

But if they are brown, freediver's gonna frown.


and again:

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 19th, 2011 at 12:40am:
freediver,

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Do you always accuse people of racism when you lose an argument?


No, only those with clear sympathies to racist ideals. You might see yourself as relatively non-racist compared to your "peers" on your forum fd, but that's not really saying much.


Now even my wiki has gone from very valid criticism of Islamic ideology to a racist diatribe:

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 19th, 2011 at 9:26pm:
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Can you back up your claim of 'clear sympathies' to racist ideals? All that is clear is that you throw out false claims of racism when you lose an argument.


How about your dedication to producing a wiki designed to promote hatred and misunderstanding about an entire religion of people?


Abu, is any criticism of yourself or Islam, no matter how valid, ultimately about racism rather than what people are actually talking about?
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Re: Abu plays the racism card
Reply #1 - Oct 19th, 2011 at 10:23pm
 
I think deep down you know it's about racism. anti-Islamic attacks have become the new "playground" of anti-Semites, who think they can now use a loophole to attack a people who are largely Semitic.

It's now almost acceptable in some circles, especially American & European ones to make attacks against Semites (Muslims), and to try and squeeze your way out of it by claiming not all Muslims are Semites, or from the one race, therefore it's ok.

You are despicable, and I think you know it.
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Reply #2 - Oct 19th, 2011 at 10:28pm
 
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I think deep down you know it's about racism.


I thought you said it was clear. Now you say it is only in your mind?

Are you admitting that I have not actually said anything racist?

What are the 'racist ideals' I sympathise with?

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It's now almost acceptable in some circles, especially American & European ones to make attacks against Semites (Muslims), and to try and squeeze your way out of it by claiming not all Muslims are Semites, or from the one race, therefore it's ok.


Is this what is 'really happening' whenever someone criticises Islamic ideology?
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Reply #3 - Oct 19th, 2011 at 11:06pm
 
The closet racists have been biting their tongues for so long, due to the fact it was not politically correct to attack others, until the recent decade and the "war on ter.. err Islam" became open.

They've just been sitting, waiting, wishing they could point their fingers and say "See look, such and such a minority do the things we accuse them of, we must attack them to save ourselves", and now your chance has come.... hasn't it? And you're so pleased with yourself for it.
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Reply #4 - Oct 20th, 2011 at 3:01pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Oct 19th, 2011 at 11:06pm:
The closet racists have been biting their tongues for so long, due to the fact it was not politically correct to attack others, until the recent decade and the "war on ter.. err Islam" became open.

They've just been sitting, waiting, wishing they could point their fingers and say "See look, such and such a minority do the things we accuse them of, we must attack them to save ourselves", and now your chance has come.... hasn't it? And you're so pleased with yourself for it.


Good point. You're onto something here.
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Reply #5 - Oct 20th, 2011 at 7:01pm
 
Is this what is 'really happening' whenever someone criticises Islamic ideology?
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Reply #6 - Oct 20th, 2011 at 7:09pm
 
Islamic ideology has always been there. Previously Christian Europeans were either not concerned with it, or tried to use it to their advantage (like the Germans in WWI).

The idea it is some newly discovered propaganda gem, extra extra read all about it on fd's wiki, is just infantile really. Islamic ideology has been open since its inception, and has nothing to hide, and never has. The claims of taqiyyah and all this other nonsense are just absolute and utter tripe.
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Reply #7 - Oct 20th, 2011 at 7:16pm
 
If it has nothing to hide, why do you do such extraordinary mental gymnastics to avoid answering simple questions.

I'd say most Europeans were not concerned because they were not aware. Europe took care of its religious lunatics many centuries ago. I did not care previously because I thought people like you did not exist.
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Reply #8 - Oct 21st, 2011 at 5:50am
 
fd, you mistake my refusal to engage in your ploys to twist Islam with hiding something.

Islamic literature is all over the place, I implore you to read it.

The book Towards Understanding Islam for instance is one of the best introductions to the basic tenets of Islam in my opinion, and I encourage you to read it. But I know you're not interested in it. You don't want to know what Islam actually teaches, you want to try and "trap" someone into saying something you think you can use for propaganda. Your intentions are insincere.

Europeans have been fully aware for a long time. In fact Germany used to have its own "Jihad bureau" back in the early 20th. century, which it tried to use to incite the Islamic ideology to take up arms against the British for them, promoting the idea they must resist British occupations of Muslim lands.
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Reply #9 - Oct 21st, 2011 at 11:55am
 
freediver wrote on Oct 20th, 2011 at 7:01pm:
Is this what is 'really happening' whenever someone criticises Islamic ideology?


Well, you are the one chasing Abu around the place, and then not happy with the answers you get.

However, in my own limited understanding, I disagree with Abu that Islamic "ideology" has always been there. I think what's happened over the last 50 years is it's become political - like Christian fundamentalism in the US.

I don't know where Islam sanctions suicide killers, for example, but they're out there. I don't know where it sanctions honour killings, keeping girls out of school, or even wearing the veil.

These things are not simply the fault of Islam, but there is a very black and white ontology in Islam which encourages them - just as there is in Christianity.

Suicide bombers are in all religions. The bomb vest was invented by Hindu Tamils in the Sri Lankan civil war. Child soldiers are recruited by Christian and Muslim warlords alike in Africa. War is war, and I'm sure the Prophet had many things to say about the rules of engagement.

In times of war, people forget their prophets.

This doesn't excuse slippery answers, by the way. If you can't justify Islam, Abu, you shouldn't feel compelled to. It is what it is, and you have every right to practice it.
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Reply #10 - Oct 21st, 2011 at 8:16pm
 
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you want to try and "trap" someone into saying something you think you can use for propaganda.


Did I trap you into accusing me of racism? You seem to be avoiding that now. Have you changed your mind? Or do you knowingly make these false accusations as a pretext for whinging about other people's racism? Is this the closest you get to an apology?

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Your intentions are insincere.


I have never misrepresented my intentions.

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I think what's happened over the last 50 years is it's become political - like Christian fundamentalism in the US.


Hasn't it always been political? After all, it is a set of laws as much as a spiritual ideology in the traditional sense, right?

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I don't know where Islam sanctions suicide killers, for example, but they're out there. I don't know where it sanctions honour killings, keeping girls out of school, or even wearing the veil.


There are a lot of killings and rapes it does sanction.
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