Forum

 
  Back to OzPolitic.com   Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
  Forum Home Album HelpSearch Recent Rules LoginRegister  
 

Pages: 1 ... 4 5 6 7 
Send Topic Print
Christians Rampage Through Cairo (Read 22784 times)
Belgarion
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 5654
Gender: male
Re: Christians Rampage Through Cairo
Reply #75 - Oct 13th, 2011 at 10:34am
 
First of all falah, no sane person believes any of these ancient writings are the literal truth and second, the part you are quoting is from the old testament and has nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus.
Back to top
 

"I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

Voltaire.....(possibly)
 
IP Logged
 
falah
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3162
Re: Christians Rampage Through Cairo
Reply #76 - Oct 13th, 2011 at 10:59am
 
Belgarion wrote on Oct 13th, 2011 at 10:34am:
First of all falah, no sane person believes any of these ancient writings are the literal truth


If it is not the literal truth, then why would any sane person want to be a Christian or a jew?

Belgarion wrote on Oct 13th, 2011 at 10:34am:
and second, the part you are quoting is from the old testament and has nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus.


Jesus believed in the Torah and laws given to previous prophets:

Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the way of the prophets. I have not come to abrogate them, but I have come to fulfill them.

Truly I say to you, Till heaven and earth come to an end, not the smallest letter or part of a letter will in any way be taken from the law, till all things are done.

Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called the "lowest" by the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 5:17-19
Back to top
 

Nothing is worthy of worship except God Almighty - our Creator!
 
IP Logged
 
Yadda
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 22190
A cat with a view
Re: Christians Rampage Through Cairo
Reply #77 - Oct 13th, 2011 at 11:05am
 
falah wrote on Oct 13th, 2011 at 10:20am:
Yadda why do you fail to address the rape and sex-slavery sanctioned in the Bible?

Judges 21: 10- 24 :

They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, "Go and hide in the vineyards.  When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home...So the men of Benjamin did as they were told.  They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance.

So the men hide behind bushes like stalkers, and they wait for the women and once they see the women they rush the women and kidnap them and then rape them! Is the Bible a guide to rape?

Numbers 31: 17-18 :

... Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man.  Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.

Bible says kill all the women and little boys, but rape the little girls! Bible encourages rape of little girls?

Deuteronomy 20: 10-14:

     As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace.  If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor (they can only live if they become your slave!).  But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town.  When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town.  But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder.  You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

Bible says if they don't agree to be your slaves then kill all the men and make the woman your slaves to "enjoy the spoils of"

Deuteronomy
Chapter 22:25-29

25 ...if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die. 26 But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbor, and slayeth him: 27 For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her. 28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; 29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days

Bible say raping unmarried women is OK...as long as you pay off the father afterwards!



Please address the rape and sex-slavery in your corrupted Bible yadda.






falah,

As per usual, you believe that the Bible condones, what ISLAM itself 'legitimises'.

Wrong.



e.g.
Compare what is 'lawful' regards captive women within ISLAM, with what was lawful within Moses law, regards captive women....

Deuteronomy 21:10
When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the LORD thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive,
11  And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife;
12  Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house; and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails;
13  And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife.
14  And it shall be, if thou have no delight in her, then thou shalt let her go whither she will; but thou shalt not sell her at all for money, thou shalt not make merchandise of her, because thou hast humbled her.


"....then thou shalt let her go whither she will;....thou shalt not make merchandise of her,"


n.b.
The Hebrew man, if he no longer has a desire for his beautiful wife [a captive of war],
....he must release her.

Give her her freedom.

Because in Biblical times, the concept of a free woman was not unusual.


There is no parallel to this provision, within ISLAMIC law.

Why not ???

Because, within a devout moslem community the concept of a 'free' woman is absurd.

Within a devout moslem community a woman, all women, are the property of some man, ALWAYS.






falah,

We should remember too, that those OT Bible texts speak of a time 3,400 years ago, when keeping societal slaves and captives was common, and lawful.

We live in a different world today.

Except moslems.

Moslems imagine that they are still living in Arabia, in 650 AD - where 'sex slavery' was always 'lawful' .


e.g.
"Egyptian imam: "When I want a sex slave, I just go to the market and choose the woman I like and purchase her" "

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/06/egyptian-imam-when-i-want-a-sex-slave-i-just-g...


"Kuwait: "Female political activist" calls for legalizing sex slavery to protect men from "adultery or corruption" "

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/06/kuwait-female-political-activist-calls-for-leg...


Back to top
 

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
IP Logged
 
Belgarion
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 5654
Gender: male
Re: Christians Rampage Through Cairo
Reply #78 - Oct 13th, 2011 at 2:54pm
 
falah wrote on Oct 13th, 2011 at 10:59am:
Belgarion wrote on Oct 13th, 2011 at 10:34am:
First of all falah, no sane person believes any of these ancient writings are the literal truth


If it is not the literal truth, then why would any sane person want to be a Christian or a jew?
Belgarion wrote on Oct 13th, 2011 at 10:34am:
and second, the part you are quoting is from the old testament and has nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus.


Jesus believed in the Torah and laws given to previous prophets:

Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the way of the prophets. I have not come to abrogate them, but I have come to fulfill them.

Truly I say to you, Till heaven and earth come to an end, not the smallest letter or part of a letter will in any way be taken from the law, till all things are done.

Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called the "lowest" by the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 5:17-19


No sane person wants to be a muslim either. Organised religion is a device that has been used throughout history to control the masses.
Back to top
 

"I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

Voltaire.....(possibly)
 
IP Logged
 
Baronvonrort
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 19461
Gender: male
Re: Christians Rampage Through Cairo
Reply #79 - Oct 13th, 2011 at 5:54pm
 
falah wrote on Oct 12th, 2011 at 7:25pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 12th, 2011 at 7:02pm:
Bukhari from your quote-
"God sent Mohammad........One of the things that he revealed was the verse of stoning,which we have read and understood"

Bukhari says this verse was revealed by Allah so why is it missing from the Quran?


It is not missing. I already provided it. The verse says that adulterers must be punished, and Prophet Muhammed explained how they should be punished. Therefore the verse refers to the stoning.

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 12th, 2011 at 7:02pm:
If a verse is missing from the Quran does that mean the Quran has been corrupted?


There are no missing verses.

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 12th, 2011 at 7:02pm:
Can you dismiss the hadith that a goat ate the verse on stoning as weak when no other reason is given why this verse is missing from the Quran?


If you had studied Islamic history, you would know that at the time of Prophet Muhammed's death, there were many people who had memorised the entire Quran by heart. There were also several written copies of it.

The Quran has been desigend to be a book which is easily memorised. There are millions of Muslims around the world who have memorised it by heart. This is how the Quran is protected from corruption, by the people memorising it.

"And We (God uses the royal "we") have made the Holy Quran easy to understand and remember, then is there any that will receive admonition."(The Quran, 54:17)

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 12th, 2011 at 7:02pm:
Do you believe the hadith that satan urinates in the ear of those who miss morning prayer?


I have no reason disbelieve it. The type of devil mentioned here is the type from the jinn. The jinn are not made of chemicals like humans, but rather, are made from the smokeless flame. I see no reason to believe that their urine is in any way like the urine of humans or animals. Jinns are a totally different typ of creation.


You did not provide the verse for stoning in the Quran, you provided 2 verses that made no mention of stoning.

The hadith you cited claimed the verse had been revealed and read, why is it missing from the Quran if Bukhari said it had been revealed?
You have not provided this missing verse in the quran falah

Which Caliph was in charge when the Quran was finally complied Falah how many years after Mohammads death did it take?

Those who have memorised the Quran...the word would be "hafiz" .

Allah mentions boiling water 17 times for the purpose of torture in the Quran and not even once does it say boiling water makes it safe to drink,Mohammad was a fraud what makes you think he was not a pretender?
Back to top
 

Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.
 
IP Logged
 
falah
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3162
Re: Christians Rampage Through Cairo
Reply #80 - Oct 13th, 2011 at 11:21pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 13th, 2011 at 5:54pm:
You did not provide the verse for stoning in the Quran, you provided 2 verses that made no mention of stoning.

The hadith you cited claimed the verse had been revealed and read, why is it missing from the Quran if Bukhari said it had been revealed?
You have not provided this missing verse in the quran falah


The word "stoning" is not mentioned in the verse, but is referred to with the word "punishment". Part of the job of a prophet is to explain the scriptures to the people. Prophet Muhammed did this by ordering the stoning of the married adulterers. I already gave you the verse that order Muslims to obey the prophet. So stoning does not need to be directly mentioned in the Quran if it is mentioned by the Prophet.

God says (interpretation of the meaning): “He who obeys the Prophet has indeed obeyed God . . .” [al-Nisaa’ 4:80]

“O you who believe! Obey God and obey the Prophet...” [al-Nisaa’ 4:59]

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 13th, 2011 at 5:54pm:
Which Caliph was in charge when the Quran was finally complied Falah how many years after Mohammads death did it take?


The Quran was preserved in the hearts of the companions of Prophet Muhammed, who had memorized it, and it was also written on the trunks of trees and on thin white stones. After the prophet passed away, Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq, (the companion of the Prophet  and 1st of the Roshidoon Caliphs.) became concerned that too many of those who had memorised the Quran had been martyred in the wars that engulfed the Islamic state during his Caliphate. Abu Bakr conducted a meeting with remaining senior companions of Prophet Muhammed  concerning the idea of compiling the entire Quran in one book so that it would be preserved and would not be lost, and this task was entrusted to the great hafiz Zayd ibn Thaabit and others who had written down the Revelation during the life of Prophet Muhammed on the separate fragments.

Al-Bukhaari recorded in his book Saheeh that Zayd ibn Thaabit said:  

“Abu Bakr As-Siddeeq sent for me when the people of Yamamah had been killed (i.e., a number of the Prophet's Companions who fought against Musaylimah). (I went to him) and found Umar bin al-Khattaab sitting with him. Abu Bakr said (to me):

"Umar has come to me and said: “Casualties were heavy among the memorisers of the Quran (i.e. those who knew the Qur’aan by heart) at the Battle of Yamaamah, and I am afraid that more heavy casualties may take place among the memoriser of the Quran on other battlefields, whereby a large part of the Qur'an may be lost. Therefore I suggest that you [Abu Bakr] should issue orders that the Quran be collected.” I said to Umar, “How can you do something that the Prophet of God (peace and blessings of God be upon him) did not do?" Umar said, “By God, this is something good.” ‘Umar kept on urging me (to accept his proposal) until God opened my heart to it and I began to realize the good in the idea which Umar had realized.’ "

Then Abu Bakr said (to me):

"You are a wise young man and we have a great deal of confidence in you. You used to write down the Revelation for the Prophet of God (peace and blessings of God be upon him). So you should seek out the Quran [i.e., the fragments on which Zayd had already written it during the lifetime of Prophet Muhammed] and collect it (in one book).’ By God, if they had ordered me to move one of the mountains, it would not have been harder for me than this command to collect the Quran.

I said (to Abu Bakr): "How can you do something which the Messenger of God (peace and blessings of God be upon him) did not do?’ Abu Bakr said, ‘By God, it is a good thing.’ Abu Bakr kept on urging me (to accept his proposal) until God opened my heart to it as He had opened the hearts of Abu Bakr and ‘Umar. So I started to look for the Quran and collected it (the fragments on which Zayd had already written it) from  palm-stalks, thin white stones and (verified it with) the hearts of men (i.e., from men who knew it by heart), until I found the last verse of Surat al-Tawbah with Abu Khuzaymah  al-Ansaari (who had also been a companion of Prophet Muhammed), and I did not find it with anybody other than him. The verse is :  

‘Verily, there has come unto you a Prophet from amongst yourselves. It grieves him that you should receive any injury or difficulty…’

[al-Tawbah 9:128 – interpretation of the meaning]

… until the end of Soorat al-Tawbah.



This was done very soon after Prophet Muhammed passed away - and there were still many people alive who had memorised the Quran during his lifetime who could verify that the compiled Quran was true to the original.

About twenty years later, the 3rd Caliph, Uthman, who had also been a companion of Prophet Muhammed, had a Quran made that had a particular ordering of the chapters - previously there was no specified chronological order for the chapters.

About 50 years after Prophet Muhammed had passed away, the Ummayad Caliph, Abdulmalik ibn Marwan, commanded that the dots and lines be added to the Quran to help non-Arabs read the Quran. Arabs did not need the dots and lines, but as more non-Arabs were converting to Islam, it was deemed necessary to make it easier for non-Arabs to read. Even today, most non-Quranic texts do not feature the vowel lines above and below Arabic letters because Arabs can easily read without them.
Back to top
 

Nothing is worthy of worship except God Almighty - our Creator!
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: Christians Rampage Through Cairo
Reply #81 - Oct 14th, 2011 at 11:25am
 
Er... what prophesies did the 'prophet' actually prophesy? The only one I could find was along the lines of "You guys gimme a fifth or your booty or I'll be really cross, and so will Allah, bless 'im." (repeated ad nauseum with little variation)

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur'an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Muhammad_the_Plunderer

ANy others?


Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
falah
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3162
Re: Christians Rampage Through Cairo
Reply #82 - Oct 14th, 2011 at 11:48am
 
Prophesies Of Prophet Muhammed


(Not all of these have come from authenticated hadeeth, but the fact they have come true gives the lower-graded hadith some weight I would think)


*Earthqakes would increase
*Sea-level would rise
*Animals would become extinct
*The Byzantines would defeat the Persians in a few years following the revealation of the Quran - which happened (this prophesy is in the Quran)
*Muslims would conquer Jerusalem
*Muslims would conquer the Byzantine Empire
*Muslims would fight against the Turkish people - happened centuries ago
*Music and alcohol consumption would become widespread
*Muslims would have a Roshidoon (rightly-guided) Caliphate, followed by the monarchies, followed by miltary dictatorship, followed by the return of the Roshidoon caliphat
*Near the End of Days, the rulers wouyld be the most corrupt of people
*Near the End of Days there would be much senseless killing
*the (formerly barefooted bedouin) Arabs will compete against each other to build the tallest building - as happening in Dubai and Riyadh
*Widespread use of usury (interest-based loans) in the world
*Fornication would become considered acceptable
*Non-Muslim economic Sanctions against iraq
*Non-Muslim economic  Sanctions against Syria
*World Would fight against Muslims with 180 flags - Afghanistan?


There are many more that I do not have time to type now.

Back to top
« Last Edit: Oct 14th, 2011 at 12:05pm by falah »  

Nothing is worthy of worship except God Almighty - our Creator!
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: Christians Rampage Through Cairo
Reply #83 - Oct 14th, 2011 at 12:16pm
 
falah wrote on Oct 14th, 2011 at 11:48am:
Prophesies Of Prophet Muhammed


(Not all of these have come from authenticated hadeeth, but the fact they have come true gives the lower-graded hadith some weight I would think)


*Earthqakes would increase
*Sea-level would rise
*Animals would become extinct
*The Byzantines would defeat the Persians in a few years following the revealation of the Quran - which happened (this prophesy is in the Quran)
*Muslims would conquer Jerusalem
*Muslims would conquer the Byzantine Empire
*Muslims would fight against the Turkish people - happened centuries ago
*Music and alcohol consumption would become widespread
Muslims would have a Roshidoon (rightly-guided) Caliphate, followed by the monarchies, followed by miltary dictatorship, followed by the return of the Roshidoon caliphat
*Near the End of Days, the rulers wouyld be the most corrupt of people
*Near the End of Days there would be much senseless killing
*the (formerly barefooted bedouin) Arabs will compete agaisnt each other to build the tallest building - as happening in Dubai and Riyadh
*Widespread use of usury (interest-based loans) in the world
*Fornication would become considered acceptable
*Non-Muslim economic Sanctions against iraq
*Non-Muslim economic  Sanctions against Syria
*World Would fight against Muslims with 180 flags - Afghanistan?


There are many more i do not have time to type now.




SOunds like Nostradamus. He was certainly a living testimony to "Fornication would become considered acceptable".

"Near the End of Days, the rulers wouyld be the most corrupt of people" - only then? what do you call it now and for the last couple of thousand years??
"Near the End of Days there would be much senseless killing " as above. What were all the 'senseless killings" about all thoese millenia??



Mohammed: "and a big fiery ball will appear in the sky in the morrow and it will be up there all day but people will ignore it and just go on about their lives. But then it will disappear! Just like that! Nobody will see it for quite a few hours. Allah is merciful and compassionate and ...er... can I have another wife. Please?
Allah: Sure, have two.
Mohammed: Ta. Alllah is compassionate.



Tomorrow, Mohammed asks for some money.

Good night, children.




Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Jibreel
New Member
*
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 42
Re: Christians Rampage Through Cairo
Reply #84 - Oct 15th, 2011 at 1:21am
 
falah wrote on Oct 13th, 2011 at 9:27am:
Christians Kidnap Muslim Women


Shehata disappeared from her home for several days in July after having reportedly converted to Islam—some say in an effort to get a divorce, which is not permitted by the Coptic Church. At first, the Christians protested—accusing Muslims of kidnapping a Christian and forcing her to convert. When she re-emerged, it was the Muslims' turn. Many now believe Shehata was forcibly returned to her home and the Coptic Church by state authorities, only to become sequestered against her will within the confines of a monastery...

...Wafaa Constantine, who was also the wife of a priest, reportedly converted to Islam in 2004, and wound up in a monastery as well. Neither woman has appeared in public since their returns to the church, and the Salafi protests of late have invoked both names. "Today we hold a stand off to free our sister hostages from the church," explained one of the protesters, Atef Wael. "Whenever a sister converts to Islam, they keep her in the church and they torture her...

"...two official in the Coptic church, Bishop Bishoy, remarked that "Muslims are only guests" in Egypt..."


Wrong

Quote:
Egyptian Court Rejects Claims That Christian Woman Converted to Islam


An Egyptian court has dismissed a lawsuit filed by Muslims requesting the disclosure of the wife of a Coptic priest, whom the Muslims allege converted to Islam and was being held against her will by Christians.

The demand to know the whereabouts of Camilia Shehata was rejected by the court because the lawyers failed to provide sufficient proof to support their accusations that the Coptic Church was holding her against her will.

According to the Assyrian International News Agency (AINA) the attorney for Shehata, Dr. Naguib Gabriel said, “The only thing the Muslim lawyers delivered as proof for their claims were snippets of newspapers from the Internet.”

The case has been before the court for four months, over which time Gabriel advocated that Shehata was never detained by the Coptic Church, and that she never even converted to Islam as was being alleged.

A power of attorney was signed by Shehata for Gabriel to represent her in court, AINA has reported.

“This was issued by the public notary, by a Muslim employee and in which she wrote "Christian" beside her religious affiliation, while she could have easily written Muslim instead," said Gabriel.

"If she was really detained by the Church, she could have asked for help from the employee when she went to the notary," he added.

The court was not impressed by the evidence shown by the Islamic lawyers, and a request by them for Shehata to appear personally in court was flatly refused by the judges.

According to AINA Gabriel said following the decision: “Today's court ruling closes the curtain on one of the most famous and difficult cases in Egypt.

"Muslims will not be allowed to demonstrate regarding this matter anymore, which they used as a pretext to create sectarian strife between Muslims and Christians."

Muslims have accused the Coptic Church of abducting Shehata since July 2010 when following a row with her husband, Tedaos Samaan, a priest at St George’s Church , she went to stay with relatives.

The accusations came about because Shehata did not tell anyone of her whereabouts, which she now admits was her “biggest mistake,” according to an interview with Al-Hayat Christian TV Channel.

In the initial confusion Shehata’s husband believed she had been abducted by Muslims, and he gathered 3,000 Coptic Christians to protest against her disappearance in Cairo.

She was tracked down by state security forces days later, and she later reconciled with her husband. However, more than 20 Islamic demonstrations calling for the return of their “sister in Islam” meant she and her family have had to remain in hiding ever since, report AINA.

christianpost(.)com/news/egyptian-court-rejects-claims-that-christian-woman-conv
erted-to-islam-51756/
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Jibreel
New Member
*
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 42
Re: Christians Rampage Through Cairo
Reply #85 - Oct 15th, 2011 at 1:29am
 
falah wrote on Oct 11th, 2011 at 12:13pm:
Christian Trouble Makers Killed 3 members of Egypt's army


Also wrong

Quote:
Egypt state television admits to making up news over soldiers’ deaths


Egypt’s state television announced on Monday that there are no deaths among the military forces after previously reporting there were during the bloody Sunday clashes between the military and Coptic protesters, saying that it was the fault of the news presenter.

State TV, also known as Maspero, is under fire from rights activists for falsely reporting that the Coptic protesters attacked the military forces with weapons, which resulted in the death of at least three soldiers and the called on the Egyptian people to take to the street to help protect the armed forces.

The news, when reported on Sunday evening, agitated many Muslims, who took up arms and went to the streets of downtown, clashing with protesters, both Muslims and Coptic Christians, injuring dozens in the worst sectarian violence since the fall of ousted President Hosni Muabrak’s regime.

State TV also reported that the protesters were armed and initiated the violence that killed the soldiers, which escalated the bloodshed late on Sunday.

The Copts who were marching and demanding justice for the burning of a house of worship in southern Egypt last week, were shot at by the military upon their arrival at the state TV building by the military.

Videos posted online show armored vehicles running over people, killing and injuring scores of them. Eyewitnesses told Bikyamasr.com at the protest that Copts were “not armed” and the army was “not provoked to attack.”

International media outlets largely reported on Sunday night Cairo what state television was reporting.

bikyamasr(.)com/45280/egypt-state-television-admits-to-making-up-news-over-soldi
ers-deaths/
Back to top
« Last Edit: Oct 15th, 2011 at 2:15am by Jibreel »  
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 40913
Gender: male
Re: Christians Rampage Through Cairo
Reply #86 - Oct 15th, 2011 at 3:35am
 


ooohhh, so another islamic lie.
christians had repaired their church, so muslims attacked them, then killed many of them.

is it any clearer than that folks ?
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
falah
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3162
Re: Christians Rampage Through Cairo
Reply #87 - Oct 15th, 2011 at 12:18pm
 
Quote:
Egyptian Court Rejects Claims That Christian Woman Converted to Islam


An Egyptian court has dismissed a lawsuit filed by Muslims requesting the disclosure of the wife of a Coptic priest, whom the Muslims allege converted to Islam and was being held against her will by Christians.

The demand to know the whereabouts of Camilia Shehata was rejected by the court because the lawyers failed to provide sufficient proof to support their accusations that the Coptic Church was holding her against her will.

According to the Assyrian International News Agency (AINA) the attorney for Shehata, Dr. Naguib Gabriel said, “The only thing the Muslim lawyers delivered as proof for their claims were snippets of newspapers from the Internet.”

christianpost(.)com/news/egyptian-court-rejects-claims-that-christian-woman-conv
erted-to-islam-51756/


A Christian media outlet quoting another Christian media outlet!

A secular court, supported by a secular government that needs the support of Christians to remain in powerwould not allow the woman to be brought before the court to say whether or not she had been kidnapped.

Why? What have the secularists and Christians got to hide. Why did they fight against having this woman speak for herself in public?

Why did Christians start the whole affair by rioting and claiming that muslims had "kidnapped" her:


Quote:
The problem started last summer, when hundreds of Copts demonstrated after Shehata disappeared, claiming that she had been kidnapped by Muslims. The wife of a priest, Shehata was the object of particular concern on the part of the Coptic community, concern that evaporated five days later when it turned out that she had merely been staying with a relative. Nevertheless, a few days later the Salafis released another story claiming that Shehata had in fact converted to Islam, but that the security forces had returned her to the church.
http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2011/1047/eg60.htm



Chistian website says that Pope wants to hide the convert:

Quote:
Previously Pope Shenouda...[said]no one had the right to know where she is.
http://www.aina.org/news/20100917220629.htm


The Christian website has admitted that there are actually witnesses to the Pope's daught-in-law becoming Muslim

Quote:
Influential Salafi sheikh Abu Yehya, from Samalut, who is known for his paid activities in procuring Christians for conversion to Islam, said that Camilia fled her marital home and went to him to convert to Islam. He claimed that Camilia had proclaimed the shahada, or declaration of Muslim faith, 18 months earlier and has secretly studied the Koran. Allegedly he traveled with her to Cairo and went to Al-Azhar to register her conversion officially, however, they were delayed there until the police arrived and arrested them both.

The website showed Camilia clad in a veil...
http://www.aina.org/news/20100917220629.htm


Christian women who convert to Islam are never seen again in public if the Church gets hold of them. The Copts have special monasteries to lock up women who convert to Islam.


Your Christian website mentions that the Christian families of these converts cause problems for converts:

Quote:
http://www.aina.org/images/fathygirls.jpg

Parents and lawyers of Christian teens Nancy Fathy and her cousin Christine Fathy, who allegedly converted to Islam, were shocked to learn the two girls have been taken by security officers from the care home where they were entrusted by the attorney general and held in a undisclosed place without knowledge or consent of the attorney general...

Today, lawyers with the parents went to south Cairo general prosecutor and were told by him the teens are in a safe place with public security, as they were afraid the parents may go to the orphanage and create problems there, according to Mourad. "Still we were not told where they are staying."


The Christian minors said they converted to Islam of their own free will, and refused to return to their families, and even applied for protection from them. The prosecution decided to put them in a state care home and provide protection for them, until the completion of the investigation.
http://www.aina.org/news/20110704151452.htm


Christian website admits that stories bout the girls being forced to convert were false, and admits that the converts feared their Christian families and sought protection from them:

Quote:
Nearly two weeks after they disappeared, Nancy and Christine were found in Cairo wearing Burkas. They were incidentally stopped in the street by a police officer when he noticed that one of them had a cross tattooed on her wrist, as many Copts have. The girls told the policeman they converted to Islam and did not marry any Muslim sheikh as the newspapers said, but fearing the wrath of their parents, they sought shelter at the home of a Muslim man. He issued a report of the incident and let them go.

According to the investigators, the Christian minors said they converted to Islam of their own free will, and refused to return to their families, and even applied for protection from them. The prosecution decided to put them in a state care home and provide protection for them, until the completion of the investigation.

http://www.aina.org/news/20110626170235.htm
Back to top
« Last Edit: Oct 15th, 2011 at 1:45pm by falah »  

Nothing is worthy of worship except God Almighty - our Creator!
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: Christians Rampage Through Cairo
Reply #88 - Oct 15th, 2011 at 12:37pm
 
falah wrote on Oct 15th, 2011 at 12:18pm:
Christian women who convert to Islam are never seen again in publi if the Church gets hold of them. The Copts have special monasteries to lock up women who convert to Islam.


Grin

You are insane.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 40913
Gender: male
Re: Christians Rampage Through Cairo
Reply #89 - Oct 16th, 2011 at 10:17pm
 
Soren wrote on Oct 15th, 2011 at 12:37pm:
falah wrote on Oct 15th, 2011 at 12:18pm:
Christian women who convert to Islam are never seen again in publi if the Church gets hold of them. The Copts have special monasteries to lock up women who convert to Islam.


Grin

You are insane.



Any fanatic of a cult is insane
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Pages: 1 ... 4 5 6 7 
Send Topic Print