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Wind, Water, and Solar Power for the World
Oct 6^th, 2011 at 3:34pm

Wind, Water, and Solar Power for the World

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We don’t need nuclear power, coal, or biofuels. We can get 100 percent of our energy from wind, water, and solar (WWS) power. And we can do it today—efficiently, reliably, safely, sustainably, and economically.
We can get to this WWS world by simply building a lot of new systems for the production, transmission, and use of energy. One scenario that Stanford engineering professor Mark Jacobson and I developed, projecting to 2030, includes:
3.8 million wind turbines, 5 megawatts each, supplying 50 percent of the projected total global power demand
49 000 solar thermal power plants, 300 MW each, supplying 20 percent
40 000 solar photovoltaic (PV) power plants supplying 14 percent
1.7 billion rooftop PV systems, 3 kilowatts each, supplying 6 percent
5350 geothermal power plants, 100 MW each, supplying 4 percent
900 hydroelectric power plants, 1300 MW each, of which 70 percent are already in place, supplying 4 percent
720 000 ocean-wave devices, 0.75 MW each, supplying 1 percent
490 000 tidal turbines, 1 MW each, supplying 1 percent.

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Re: Wind, Water, and Solar Power for the World
Reply #1 - Oct 6^th, 2011 at 3:43pm

Kytro wrote on Oct 6^th, 2011 at 3:34pm:

Wind, Water, and Solar Power for the World

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We don’t need nuclear power, coal, or biofuels. We can get 100 percent of our energy from wind, water, and solar (WWS) power. And we can do it today—efficiently, reliably, safely, sustainably, and economically.We can get to this WWS world by simply building a lot of new systems for the production, transmission, and use of energy. One scenario that Stanford engineering professor Mark Jacobson and I developed, projecting to 2030, includes:
3.8 million wind turbines, 5 megawatts each, supplying 50 percent of the projected total global power demand
49 000 solar thermal power plants, 300 MW each, supplying 20 percent
40 000 solar photovoltaic (PV) power plants supplying 14 percent
1.7 billion rooftop PV systems, 3 kilowatts each, supplying 6 percent
5350 geothermal power plants, 100 MW each, supplying 4 percent
900 hydroelectric power plants, 1300 MW each, of which 70 percent are already in place, supplying 4 percent
720 000 ocean-wave devices, 0.75 MW each, supplying 1 percent
490 000 tidal turbines, 1 MW each, supplying 1 percent.

Pretty sure that lot won't come cheap...

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Re: Wind, Water, and Solar Power for the World
Reply #2 - Oct 6^th, 2011 at 9:51pm

Kytro wrote on Oct 6^th, 2011 at 3:34pm:

Wind, Water, and Solar Power for the World

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We don’t need nuclear power, coal, or biofuels. We can get 100 percent of our energy from wind, water, and solar (WWS) power. And we can do it today—efficiently, reliably, safely, sustainably, and economically.
We can get to this WWS world by simply building a lot of new systems for the production, transmission, and use of energy. One scenario that Stanford engineering professor Mark Jacobson and I developed, projecting to 2030, includes:
3.8 million wind turbines, 5 megawatts each, supplying 50 percent of the projected total global power demand
49 000 solar thermal power plants, 300 MW each, supplying 20 percent
40 000 solar photovoltaic (PV) power plants supplying 14 percent
1.7 billion rooftop PV systems, 3 kilowatts each, supplying 6 percent
5350 geothermal power plants, 100 MW each, supplying 4 percent
900 hydroelectric power plants, 1300 MW each, of which 70 percent are already in place, supplying 4 percent
720 000 ocean-wave devices, 0.75 MW each, supplying 1 percent
490 000 tidal turbines, 1 MW each, supplying 1 percent.

Well actually we DO need nuclear power...

If it's a choice between Co2 and nuclear...then Nuclear wins hands down,.....

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Re: Wind, Water, and Solar Power for the World
Reply #4 - Oct 7^th, 2011 at 8:27am

Kytro wrote on Oct 7^th, 2011 at 7:31am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 6^th, 2011 at 9:51pm:

Well actually we DO need nuclear power...

If it's a choice between Co2 and nuclear...then Nuclear wins hands down,.....

I am not really opposed to nuclear, but what about the the provided list wouldn't work?

Water, in terms of Hydro-Electric power, does work, but there are limted numbers of rivers that can be used and most of the suitabe ones already have dams and hydro plants.

Solar and wind....well we all know the problems there.....the wind doesn't always blow, or it blows too hard, or not hard enough.....and the sun isn't always shining at an one spot on the world's surface....

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It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #5 - Oct 10^th, 2011 at 12:25am

... wrote on Oct 6^th, 2011 at 3:43pm:

Kytro wrote on Oct 6^th, 2011 at 3:34pm:

Wind, Water, and Solar Power for the World

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We don’t need nuclear power, coal, or biofuels. We can get 100 percent of our energy from wind, water, and solar (WWS) power. And we can do it today—efficiently, reliably, safely, sustainably, and economically.We can get to this WWS world by simply building a lot of new systems for the production, transmission, and use of energy. One scenario that Stanford engineering professor Mark Jacobson and I developed, projecting to 2030, includes:
3.8 million wind turbines, 5 megawatts each, supplying 50 percent of the projected total global power demand
49 000 solar thermal power plants, 300 MW each, supplying 20 percent
40 000 solar photovoltaic (PV) power plants supplying 14 percent
1.7 billion rooftop PV systems, 3 kilowatts each, supplying 6 percent
5350 geothermal power plants, 100 MW each, supplying 4 percent
900 hydroelectric power plants, 1300 MW each, of which 70 percent are already in place, supplying 4 percent
720 000 ocean-wave devices, 0.75 MW each, supplying 1 percent
490 000 tidal turbines, 1 MW each, supplying 1 percent.

Pretty sure that lot won't come cheap...

It's all scale: it's done!!! Cheesy

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Re: Wind, Water, and Solar Power for the World
Reply #6 - Oct 10^th, 2011 at 12:26am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 6^th, 2011 at 9:51pm:

Kytro wrote on Oct 6^th, 2011 at 3:34pm:

Wind, Water, and Solar Power for the World

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We don’t need nuclear power, coal, or biofuels. We can get 100 percent of our energy from wind, water, and solar (WWS) power. And we can do it today—efficiently, reliably, safely, sustainably, and economically.
We can get to this WWS world by simply building a lot of new systems for the production, transmission, and use of energy. One scenario that Stanford engineering professor Mark Jacobson and I developed, projecting to 2030, includes:
3.8 million wind turbines, 5 megawatts each, supplying 50 percent of the projected total global power demand
49 000 solar thermal power plants, 300 MW each, supplying 20 percent
40 000 solar photovoltaic (PV) power plants supplying 14 percent
1.7 billion rooftop PV systems, 3 kilowatts each, supplying 6 percent
5350 geothermal power plants, 100 MW each, supplying 4 percent
900 hydroelectric power plants, 1300 MW each, of which 70 percent are already in place, supplying 4 percent
720 000 ocean-wave devices, 0.75 MW each, supplying 1 percent
490 000 tidal turbines, 1 MW each, supplying 1 percent.

Well actually we DO need nuclear power...

If it's a choice between Co2 and nuclear...then Nuclear wins hands down,.....

No, we don't! Shocked

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Reply #7 - Oct 10^th, 2011 at 12:29am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 7^th, 2011 at 8:27am:

Kytro wrote on Oct 7^th, 2011 at 7:31am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 6^th, 2011 at 9:51pm:

Well actually we DO need nuclear power...

If it's a choice between Co2 and nuclear...then Nuclear wins hands down,.....

I am not really opposed to nuclear, but what about the the provided list wouldn't work?

Water, in terms of Hydro-Electric power, does work, but there are limted numbers of rivers that can be used and most of the suitabe ones already have dams and hydro plants.

Solar and wind....well we all know the problems there.....the wind doesn't always blow, or it blows too hard, or not hard enough.....and the sun isn't always shining at an one spot on the world's surface....

24 hour solar power was done back in the 80s: it's done!

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Re: Wind, Water, and Solar Power for the World
Reply #8 - Oct 10^th, 2011 at 8:57pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Oct 10^th, 2011 at 12:29am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 7^th, 2011 at 8:27am:

Kytro wrote on Oct 7^th, 2011 at 7:31am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 6^th, 2011 at 9:51pm:

Well actually we DO need nuclear power...

If it's a choice between Co2 and nuclear...then Nuclear wins hands down,.....

I am not really opposed to nuclear, but what about the the provided list wouldn't work?

Water, in terms of Hydro-Electric power, does work, but there are limted numbers of rivers that can be used and most of the suitabe ones already have dams and hydro plants.

Solar and wind....well we all know the problems there.....the wind doesn't always blow, or it blows too hard, or not hard enough.....and the sun isn't always shining at an one spot on the world's surface....

24 hour solar power was done back in the 80s: it's done!

Roll Eyes

Riiiiight...
And of course you can tell us where it was done (the geographic location that receives sunlight for 24 hours a day, 365 days a year), what date or dates it happened, and who deigned and built it.....Can't you????

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It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Re: Wind, Water, and Solar Power for the World
Reply #9 - Oct 10^th, 2011 at 9:27pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 10^th, 2011 at 8:57pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Oct 10^th, 2011 at 12:29am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 7^th, 2011 at 8:27am:

Kytro wrote on Oct 7^th, 2011 at 7:31am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 6^th, 2011 at 9:51pm:

Well actually we DO need nuclear power...

If it's a choice between Co2 and nuclear...then Nuclear wins hands down,.....

I am not really opposed to nuclear, but what about the the provided list wouldn't work?

Water, in terms of Hydro-Electric power, does work, but there are limted numbers of rivers that can be used and most of the suitabe ones already have dams and hydro plants.

Solar and wind....well we all know the problems there.....the wind doesn't always blow, or it blows too hard, or not hard enough.....and the sun isn't always shining at an one spot on the world's surface....

24 hour solar power was done back in the 80s: it's done!

Roll Eyes

Riiiiight...
And of course you can tell us where it was done (the geographic location that receives sunlight for 24 hours a day, 365 days a year), what date or dates it happened, and who deigned and built it.....Can't you????

An elliptical orbit around the north pole?

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Reply #10 - Oct 11^th, 2011 at 12:41am

now there's an idea.

too bad no-one in power really gives a sh-t.

There ARE many ways to generate energy - and water power doesn't necessarily refer just to hydro-electric power generation.
I think it depends a lot on location. The tidal forces generated in the world's oceans are there, now. Places which have large tidal ranges between low and high tide, for example, have that power right at their door. But no-one wants to seriously look at these types of things, because - the PROFIT isn't there. Forget about the good of humanity.

As for solar power - another infinite resource - we are just STARTING !! unbelievable as that may seem to rational beings.
I believe I've said it elsewhere, .. but anyway - I say - one size fits all - isn't the name of the game.

Nuclear??? You'd be an egotistical fool to think that humans can master such. Of course, for those who don't think long-term, it presents an attractive power source that - generally- others will have to clean up at some time in the future.
BAD SHITE

Our cultural obsession with money and possessions and consumption does not suggest 'the common good' has any place in world politics today, and it should be the main goal of civilised cultures.

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Reply #11 - Oct 11^th, 2011 at 9:51am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 7^th, 2011 at 8:27am:

Water, in terms of Hydro-Electric power, does work, but there are limted numbers of rivers that can be used and most of the suitabe ones already have dams and hydro plants.

Solar and wind....well we all know the problems there.....the wind doesn't always blow, or it blows too hard, or not hard enough.....and the sun isn't always shining at an one spot on the world's surface....

Sure, my question was really in relation to the numbers they provided, which they seem to believe were readily available.

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Reply #12 - Oct 11^th, 2011 at 2:19pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 10^th, 2011 at 8:57pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Oct 10^th, 2011 at 12:29am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 7^th, 2011 at 8:27am:

Kytro wrote on Oct 7^th, 2011 at 7:31am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 6^th, 2011 at 9:51pm:

Well actually we DO need nuclear power...

If it's a choice between Co2 and nuclear...then Nuclear wins hands down,.....

I am not really opposed to nuclear, but what about the the provided list wouldn't work?

Water, in terms of Hydro-Electric power, does work, but there are limted numbers of rivers that can be used and most of the suitabe ones already have dams and hydro plants.

Solar and wind....well we all know the problems there.....the wind doesn't always blow, or it blows too hard, or not hard enough.....and the sun isn't always shining at an one spot on the world's surface....

24 hour solar power was done back in the 80s: it's done!

Roll Eyes

Riiiiight...
And of course you can tell us where it was done (the geographic location that receives sunlight for 24 hours a day, 365 days a year), what date or dates it happened, and who deigned and built it.....Can't you????

---->do your own homework! Kiss

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Reply #13 - Oct 11^th, 2011 at 2:22pm

Emma wrote on Oct 11^th, 2011 at 12:41am:

now there's an idea.

too bad no-one in power really gives a sh-t.

There ARE many ways to generate energy - and water power doesn't necessarily refer just to hydro-electric power generation.
I think it depends a lot on location. The tidal forces generated in the world's oceans are there, now. Places which have large tidal ranges between low and high tide, for example, have that power right at their door. But no-one wants to seriously look at these types of things, because - the PROFIT isn't there. Forget about the good of humanity.

As for solar power - another infinite resource - we are just STARTING !! unbelievable as that may seem to rational beings.
I believe I've said it elsewhere, .. but anyway - I say - one size fits all - isn't the name of the game.

Nuclear??? You'd be an egotistical fool to think that humans can master such. Of course, for those who don't think long-term, it presents an attractive power source that - generally- others will have to clean up at some time in the future.
BAD SHITE

Our cultural obsession with money and possessions and consumption does not suggest 'the common good' has any place in world politics today, and it should be the main goal of civilised cultures.

.......there's gonna be a hard rain ..thats gonna fall..

Necessity is the mother of invention! A carbon price changes everything as it breaks the blind growth cycle! Cool

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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Wind, Water, and Solar Power for the World Reply #14 - Oct 11^th, 2011 at 3:04pm Necessity is the mother of invention! A carbon price changes everything as it breaks the blind growth cycle! - Death hope so 'cos we've surely grown enough already.!
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