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Reply #300 - Sep 28^th, 2011 at 8:47am

culldav wrote on Sep 27^th, 2011 at 9:33pm:

adelcrow wrote on Sep 27^th, 2011 at 5:47pm:

The handfull of people who seek asylum in this country every year is sweet bugga all compared to the rest of the planet.

This is showing ignorance for the topic. Its not a hand-full of refugees/asylum seekers showing up; there’s 1,000 of them that are costing the Australian payers $100’s of millions to house and process.

Not to mention that 80% of refugees/asylum seekers are still on welfare benefits after 5 years. So what is that additionally costing the Aussie tax payers in welfare and Department of Housing properties?

In fact, it is you who shows complete and utter ignorance for the topic. If you actually bothered to focus your bigoted mind to the fact that there are currently TENS OF MILLIONS of people displaced in the world, the pitiful '1000s of them that are costing the Australian payers' that you seem to see as a devastating problem to Australia is relatively a handful.

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Reply #301 - Sep 28^th, 2011 at 8:48am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 27^th, 2011 at 9:40pm:

culldav wrote on Sep 27^th, 2011 at 9:33pm:

adelcrow wrote on Sep 27^th, 2011 at 5:47pm:

The handfull of people who seek asylum in this country every year is sweet bugga all compared to the rest of the planet.

This is showing ignorance for the topic. Its not a hand-full of refugees/asylum seekers showing up; there’s 1,000 of them that are costing the Australian payers $100’s of millions to house and process.

Not to mention that 80% of refugees/asylum seekers are still on welfare benefits after 5 years. So what is that additionally costing the Aussie tax payers in welfare and Department of Housing properties?

More than twelve thousand have arrived since Rudd beat Howard, with over 100 boats arriving in Julia's first full twelve months after the election. That's not a "handful" - that's a sh*tload.

2 million refugees fled to Pakistan from Afghanistan. Still think 12,000 is a sh1tload?

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WOW, is a little bit of common sense in a debate an unreasonable thing to ask from the narrow minded?

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Reply #302 - Sep 28^th, 2011 at 8:51am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 6:41am:

culldav wrote on Sep 27^th, 2011 at 5:34pm:

Really nice to know Alevine you and your idiot mates think its ok to put a child’s life in danger…

A common tactic of the 10%... Deflect their hysteria about people arriving in Australia by boat towards "concern" for the welfare of asylum seekers' kids.

Its the "We're fighting in Afghanistan to save women from oppression" tactic Grin

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Yes, it is always hilarious to see the bigots attempt to take the moral high ground to justify their bigoted views.

Nuffster has already admitted it thinks all our neighbour countries are filled with monkeys as opposed to humans. Perhaps this is why it is opposes so putridly the refugee program?

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Reply #303 - Sep 28^th, 2011 at 8:51am

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 7:15am:

adelcrow wrote on Sep 27^th, 2011 at 5:47pm:

The handfull of people who seek asylum in this country every year is sweet bugga all compared to the rest of the planet.

Mmmm, better to wait till it becomes a flood before acting eh.

Interesting how you don't take the same view with climate change.

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Reply #304 - Sep 28^th, 2011 at 8:55am

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 7:15am:

And in Australia, whether it's a trickle or a flood, using criminals to smuggle someone across our border isn't something the government needs to sponsor via weak and ineffective border protection laws.

People wouldn't require the use of smugglers to seek refuge if the government was free from public outrage to actually conduct a thorough review of our refugee program and strengthen it. People wouldn't require the use of smugglers to seek refuge if the government used diplomatic approaches to tackle Malaysia, Indonesia and Thailand on their disturbing refugee programs. People wouldn't require the use of smugglers to seek refuge if our past governments didn't enter redundant wars just because they couldn't get their heads out of US's ass.

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Reply #305 - Sep 28^th, 2011 at 8:57am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 8:31am:

yes, it'll ALL be at our expense.

I have changed my stance on the illegals.
Blow them out of the water using the RAAF.

? You want to take the overstayers out to sea on a boat and blow them out of the water using the RAAF? A bit harsh, don't you think? Some of them are like Hickory's sister...just don't know how to read a VISA or tell time. You wouldn't sentence a person to their death for that, would you?

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Reply #306 - Sep 28^th, 2011 at 9:02am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 8:51am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 7:15am:

adelcrow wrote on Sep 27^th, 2011 at 5:47pm:

The handfull of people who seek asylum in this country every year is sweet bugga all compared to the rest of the planet.

Mmmm, better to wait till it becomes a flood before acting eh.

Interesting how you don't take the same view with climate change.

Possibly because we don't need a computer model to see our cities filling up with 3rd world people alevine.

"Another boat, another policy failure from the Howard government"

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Reply #307 - Sep 28^th, 2011 at 9:04am

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 9:02am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 8:51am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 7:15am:

adelcrow wrote on Sep 27^th, 2011 at 5:47pm:

The handfull of people who seek asylum in this country every year is sweet bugga all compared to the rest of the planet.

Mmmm, better to wait till it becomes a flood before acting eh.

Interesting how you don't take the same view with climate change.

Possibly because we don't need a computer model to see our cities filling up with 3rd world people alevine.

Oh right, so something that hasn't impacted our way of life is a huge problem because you feel you can physically see it. But something that is an imminent danger to our life you feel is not that important because the science, like ANY science, can be questioned?

Gotcha.

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Reply #308 - Sep 28^th, 2011 at 9:20am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 9:04am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 9:02am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 8:51am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 7:15am:

adelcrow wrote on Sep 27^th, 2011 at 5:47pm:

The handfull of people who seek asylum in this country every year is sweet bugga all compared to the rest of the planet.

Mmmm, better to wait till it becomes a flood before acting eh.

Interesting how you don't take the same view with climate change.

Possibly because we don't need a computer model to see our cities filling up with 3rd world people alevine.

Oh right, so something that hasn't impacted our way of life is a huge problem because you feel you can physically see it. But something that is an imminent danger to our life you feel is not that important because the science, like ANY science, can be questioned?

Gotcha.

Well that something you say hasn't impacted our way of life is now costing the taxpayer $2BN per year and rising.
And we don't have to study the effects of out of control rising government debt in Greece to see what could happen when a nation has lost control of their border protection policy.
And if you don't like what an extrapolated computer model is telling you, turn the computer off and put your crash helmet on if you think you are in imminent danger. Grin

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Reply #309 - Sep 28^th, 2011 at 9:22am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 8:55am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 7:15am:

And in Australia, whether it's a trickle or a flood, using criminals to smuggle someone across our border isn't something the government needs to sponsor via weak and ineffective border protection laws.

People wouldn't require the use of smugglers to seek refuge if the government was free from public outrage to actually conduct a thorough review of our refugee program and strengthen it. People wouldn't require the use of smugglers to seek refuge if the government used diplomatic approaches to tackle Malaysia, Indonesia and Thailand on their disturbing refugee programs. People wouldn't require the use of smugglers to seek refuge if our past governments didn't enter redundant wars just because they couldn't get their heads out of US's ass.

I'd rather see the government have a working border protection program.

"Another boat, another policy failure from the Howard government"

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Reply #310 - Sep 28^th, 2011 at 9:36am

Abbott has ruled out turning back the boats as Indonesia is not a signatory to the refugee convention.....This leaves the Coalition in a very strange position.....They have argued for compassion and humanity towards asylum seekers coming to Australia declaring Malaysia as to barbaric and cruel to send these desperate people.....So we can expect better treatment from the Coalition towards asylum seekers in the future.....Bullshit!!!

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Reply #311 - Sep 28^th, 2011 at 9:41am

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 9:36am:

Abbott has ruled out turning back the boats as Indonesia is not a signatory to the refugee convention.....This leaves the Coalition in a very strange position.....They have argued for compassion and humanity towards asylum seekers coming to Australia declaring Malaysia as to barbaric and cruel to send these desperate people.....So we can expect better treatment from the Coalition towards asylum seekers in the future.....Bullshit!!!

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The Coalition will continue to resettle 13,000 asylum seekers per annum, and still have an effective border protection program that destroys the smugglers business model.

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Reply #312 - Sep 28^th, 2011 at 9:49am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 8:55am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 7:15am:

And in Australia, whether it's a trickle or a flood, using criminals to smuggle someone across our border isn't something the government needs to sponsor via weak and ineffective border protection laws.

People wouldn't require the use of smugglers to seek refuge if the government was free from public outrage to actually conduct a thorough review of our refugee program and strengthen it. People wouldn't require the use of smugglers to seek refuge if the government used diplomatic approaches to tackle Malaysia, Indonesia and Thailand on their disturbing refugee programs. People wouldn't require the use of smugglers to seek refuge if our past governments didn't enter redundant wars just because they couldn't get their heads out of US's ass.

Very simplistic view and totally ignores that Australia takes in more genuine refugees than required to each year. Not only that, but Australia has increased its intake of genuine refugees each year for quite some time. But of course, the Greens and ALP would prefer we didn't remember that so they can continue to peddle the line that we don't do enough for genuine refugees.

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Reply #313 - Sep 28^th, 2011 at 9:57am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 9:49am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 8:55am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 7:15am:

And in Australia, whether it's a trickle or a flood, using criminals to smuggle someone across our border isn't something the government needs to sponsor via weak and ineffective border protection laws.

People wouldn't require the use of smugglers to seek refuge if the government was free from public outrage to actually conduct a thorough review of our refugee program and strengthen it. People wouldn't require the use of smugglers to seek refuge if the government used diplomatic approaches to tackle Malaysia, Indonesia and Thailand on their disturbing refugee programs. People wouldn't require the use of smugglers to seek refuge if our past governments didn't enter redundant wars just because they couldn't get their heads out of US's ass.

Very simplistic view and totally ignores that Australia takes in more genuine refugees than required to each year. Not only that, but Australia has increased its intake of genuine refugees each year for quite some time. But of course, the Greens and ALP would prefer we didn't remember that so they can continue to peddle the line that we don't do enough for genuine refugees.

Australia became a signatory to the Convention and Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees in 1954 and 1973 respectively. Australia is therefore obligated to provide protection to both asylum seekers and refugees. Although Australia’s conditions for granting refugee status are in line with UN conditions in many ways, there are a number of areas where Australia has been criticised by the international community. Organisations such as Amnesty International, Oxfam and the UN have criticised Australia for deviating from the criteria, both directly and indirectly, by not upholding the spirit of the treaty.

Australia does this by having mandatory detention, discriminating between different groups of asylum seekers (this violates Article 31), and manipulating the definitions within the convention and protocol. These documents stipulate that a country must not change the definition of ‘refugee’. However, as of 2001, Australia altered the legal definition of ‘persecution’, resulting in fewer asylum seekers classified as refugees (this violates Articles 26 and 31).

Australia has also exploited UN protocol by liberally interpreting its guidelines in the development of legislature around the process for determining refugee status.

http://www.actnow.com.au/Issues/Refugees__asylum_seekers_in_detention.aspx

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Reply #314 - Sep 28^th, 2011 at 10:00am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 9:49am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 8:55am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 7:15am:

And in Australia, whether it's a trickle or a flood, using criminals to smuggle someone across our border isn't something the government needs to sponsor via weak and ineffective border protection laws.

People wouldn't require the use of smugglers to seek refuge if the government was free from public outrage to actually conduct a thorough review of our refugee program and strengthen it. People wouldn't require the use of smugglers to seek refuge if the government used diplomatic approaches to tackle Malaysia, Indonesia and Thailand on their disturbing refugee programs. People wouldn't require the use of smugglers to seek refuge if our past governments didn't enter redundant wars just because they couldn't get their heads out of US's ass.

Very simplistic view and totally ignores that Australia takes in more genuine refugees than required to each year. Not only that, but Australia has increased its intake of genuine refugees each year for quite some time. But of course, the Greens and ALP would prefer we didn't remember that so they can continue to peddle the line that we don't do enough for genuine refugees.

Bullshit.....At least get your facts right before you post such crap mate???

The Department of Immigration sets the limits on the number of people who can be accepted into Australia as refugees. Although the decision is reported to parliament, it is not determined by any laws. Australia’s quota has remained between approximately 12,000 and 13,000 people for the last 10 years.

http://www.actnow.com.au/Issues/Refugees__asylum_seekers_in_detention.aspx

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