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Sep 24^th, 2011 at 10:51pm

Make way for jetset asylum seekers

September 22, 2011

About 9000 applications were lodged by air arrivals in the past 18 months - more than triple the number of refugee claims made by boat people.

ASYLUM claims by people who fly to Australia have doubled in the past five years, figures show.

About 9000 applications were lodged by air arrivals in the past 18 months - more than triple the number of refugee claims made by boat people

China was the biggest source of applicants, followed by Fiji, Pakistan and Iran, according to an Immigration Department report.

Monash University associate researcher Adrienne Millbank said it was virtually impossible for genuine asylum seekers to come by plane because of strict vetting of visa applicants by immigration authorities.

Ms Millbank said most people who arrived by air and then made refugee claims were manipulating the system to extend their stay in Australia.

"You can certainly say that these people are untruthful because they have to declare when they get a visa that they're not intending to apply for asylum," she said.

"They are no more deserving than the people who pay for people smugglers because in one case they are manipulating the system and in the other case they are trying to break in illegally"

About 6000 air arrivals lodged claims last year, compared with 3190 in 2005-06, said the report Asylum Statistics Australia 2010-11.

More than 90 per cent of Iranians, Afghanis and Iraqis were successful in 2009-10, while Chinese had a 42 per cent success rate, Lebanese (33.7 per cent), Fijians (16 per cent) and Indians (12.9 per cent).

Asylum Seeker Resource Centre spokesman Pamela Curr said the department did not publish figures on the number of people turned around at Australian airports before they had a chance to make refugee claims.

Ms Curr said some people on visitor and student visas made asylum claims in a bid to prolong their stay in Australia, but many air arrivals had genuine reasons for seeking refugee status.

"With the recent trouble in North Africa and the Arab world, we are seeing applicants from countries like Syria, Egypt and Bahrain," she said.

"We are also seeing more Iranians because of the unrest in Iran two years ago."

The report said there were 2172 asylum claims lodged by boat people last year, compared with 228 in 2008-09 and 21 in 2007-08.

In the first six months of 2010-11, the biggest number of refugee claims came from Afghanistan (1118). Then followed Iran (809), stateless persons (655), Iraq (405) and Sri Lanka (251).

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/make-way-for-jetset-asylum-seekers/st...

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: "Stop the BOATS " ? Reply #1 - Sep 24^th, 2011 at 11:29pm So what? they are authorised arrivals. They have gone through the immigration process and obtained a Visa. People arriving by unauthorised boats are illegal. It's against the law. That is the issue. Border protection.
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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: "Stop the BOATS " ? Reply #2 - Sep 24^th, 2011 at 11:33pm Quote: In the first six months of 2010-11, the biggest number of refugee claims came from Afghanistan (1118). Then followed Iran (809), stateless persons (655), Iraq (405) and Sri Lanka (251). Noone even knows where they come from, but we "know" that they are genuine refugees. Righty-ho, that makes perfect sense.
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Reply #3 - Sep 24^th, 2011 at 11:42pm

What really get's my goat is the way the dubious Scott Morrison is 'pretending' that he 'cares' about boat people..like he's a real bleading heart advocate of caring for their safety. Cheesy

Jezus...when will this Liberal lying bastardry end.

it's getting nauseating to watch them 'pretend' they care.

As IF they do.

My God I hope they end up completely destroyed as a party when australians fianally wake up to their filthy lies.

We have that nasty racist Cory Bernardi bringing anti Islam hate speech politician Geert Wilders to australia at the invite of the Liberal Party and we have HYPOCRITE Scott Morrison standing up in parliament with a tear in his eye for the refugees who will be lashed to death if he doesn't protect them from the government??? Cry

It's truly unbelievable Grin

..Who are these ugly Liberals..who are the people who support them? They're not australian that's for sure..not the australians i'm proud of.

Cory Bernardi is spamming the internet with shocking abuse towards PM Julia..We have his SPAMMERS on this board too..prog is definately one..probably that macca thing too. Roll Eyes

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Reply #4 - Sep 24^th, 2011 at 11:56pm

Swagman wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 11:29pm:

So what? they are authorised arrivals.

They have gone through the immigration process and obtained a Visa.
People arriving by unauthorised boats are illegal. It's against the law. That is the issue. Border protection. Roll Eyes

NO
They HAVEN'T
They "sneak in the back door" via TOURIST VISAS - and THEN apply for asylum

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Monash University associate researcher Adrienne Millbank said it was virtually impossible for genuine asylum seekers to come by plane because of strict vetting of visa applicants by immigration authorities.

Ms Millbank said most people who arrived by air and then made refugee claims were manipulating the system to extend their stay in Australia.

"You can certainly say that these people are untruthful because they have to declare when they get a visa that they're not intending to apply for asylum," she said.

"They are no more deserving than the people who pay for people smugglers because in one case they are manipulating the system and in the other case they are trying to break in illegally"

... with a LOT more cash

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Reply #5 - Sep 24^th, 2011 at 11:59pm

Gimme Gimme wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 11:42pm:

What really get's my goat is the way the dubious Labor party doesn't even pretend that they care about boat people..like they are a real bleeding heart advocate of caring for their safety. Cheesy

Jezus...when will this leftwing bleeding heart self flagellation end, after more innocents die on the rocks

it's getting nauseating to watch them 'pretend' they care.

As IF they do.

My God I hope they end up completely destroyed as a party when australians fianally wake up to their filthy lies.

We have that nasty racist Cory Bernardi bringing anti Islam hate speech politician Geert Wilders to australia at the invite of the Liberal Party and we have HYPOCRITE Scott Morrison standing up in parliament with a tear in his eye for the refugees who will be lashed to death if he doesn't protect them from the government??? Cry

It's truly unbelievable Grin

..Who are these ugly Liberals..who are the people who support them? They're not australian that's for sure..not the australians i'm proud of.

Cory Bernardi is spamming the internet with shocking abuse towards PM Julia..We have his SPAMMERS on this board too..prog is definately one..probably that macca thing too. Roll Eyes

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Reply #6 - Sep 25^th, 2011 at 2:51am

That's spot on! Thanks for keeping the thread going cory. Wink

What really get's my goat is the way the dubious Scott Morrison is 'pretending' that he 'cares' about boat people..like he's a real bleading heart advocate of caring for their safety.

Jezus...when will this Liberal lying bastardry end.

it's getting nauseating to watch them 'pretend' they care.

As IF they do.

My God I hope they end up completely destroyed as a party when australians fianally wake up to their filthy lies.

We have that nasty racist Cory Bernardi bringing anti Islam hate speech politician Geert Wilders to australia at the invite of the Liberal Party and we have HYPOCRITE Scott Morrison standing up in parliament with a tear in his eye for the refugees who will be lashed to death if he doesn't protect them from the government???

It's truly unbelievable ..Who are these ugly Liberals..who are the people who support them? They're not australian that's for sure..not the australians i'm proud of.

Cory Bernardi is spamming the internet with shocking abuse towards PM Julia..We have his SPAMMERS on this board too..prog is definately one..probably that macca thing too.

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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: "Stop the BOATS " ? Reply #7 - Sep 25^th, 2011 at 7:07am A vote for Bernardi is a vote for racial and religious hatred and intolerance and sowing the seeds for a future Australian Holocaust so he must be denounced and sacked before the next election!
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salad in Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5941	Re: "Stop the BOATS " ? Reply #8 - Sep 25^th, 2011 at 7:30am buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 10:51pm: China was the biggest source of applicants, followed by Fiji, Pakistan and Iran, according to an Immigration Department report. Sticking to the theory that we create refugees when did we invade China, Fiji, Pakistan and Iran?
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Reply #9 - Sep 25^th, 2011 at 7:39am

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 10:51pm:

Make way for jetset asylum seekers

September 22, 2011

http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2011/09/21/1226143/081377-asylum-seekers.jp...

About 9000 applications were lodged by air arrivals in the past 18 months - more than triple the number of refugee claims made by boat people.

ASYLUM claims by people who fly to Australia have doubled in the past five years, figures show.

About 9000 applications were lodged by air arrivals in the past 18 months - more than triple the number of refugee claims made by boat people

China was the biggest source of applicants, followed by Fiji, Pakistan and Iran, according to an Immigration Department report.

Monash University associate researcher Adrienne Millbank said it was virtually impossible for genuine asylum seekers to come by plane because of strict vetting of visa applicants by immigration authorities.

Ms Millbank said most people who arrived by air and then made refugee claims were manipulating the system to extend their stay in Australia.

"You can certainly say that these people are untruthful because they have to declare when they get a visa that they're not intending to apply for asylum," she said.

"They are no more deserving than the people who pay for people smugglers because in one case they are manipulating the system and in the other case they are trying to break in illegally"

About 6000 air arrivals lodged claims last year, compared with 3190 in 2005-06, said the report Asylum Statistics Australia 2010-11.

More than 90 per cent of Iranians, Afghanis and Iraqis were successful in 2009-10, while Chinese had a 42 per cent success rate, Lebanese (33.7 per cent), Fijians (16 per cent) and Indians (12.9 per cent).

Asylum Seeker Resource Centre spokesman Pamela Curr said the department did not publish figures on the number of people turned around at Australian airports before they had a chance to make refugee claims.

Ms Curr said some people on visitor and student visas made asylum claims in a bid to prolong their stay in Australia, but many air arrivals had genuine reasons for seeking refugee status.

"With the recent trouble in North Africa and the Arab world, we are seeing applicants from countries like Syria, Egypt and Bahrain," she said.

"We are also seeing more Iranians because of the unrest in Iran two years ago."

The report said there were 2172 asylum claims lodged by boat people last year, compared with 228 in 2008-09 and 21 in 2007-08.

In the first six months of 2010-11, the biggest number of refugee claims came from Afghanistan (1118). Then followed Iran (809), stateless persons (655), Iraq (405) and Sri Lanka (251).

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/make-way-for-jetset-asylum-seekers/st...

Amazing - the difference between the people who arrive by boat and those who arrive by air fails to dawn upon you! Let me spell it out for you.

(A) Those who arrive by air have come to Australia by legal means, with a passport, probably a visa, an airline ticket and other forms of identification that can be used to assess their application.

(B) Those who arrive by boat are attempting to breach our borders via illegal means and deliberately destroy any and all forms of identification and other relevant documentation to make processing their application a slow, tedious and very expensive task. More often than not, they do have the financial means to come via legal means but choose not to because they are too impatient.

Illegal immigrants are also far more likely to resort to violence and rioting when in detention because as they have already broken our immigration and border laws in trying to enter the country illegally, they feel a riot or assaulting Immigration Detention Centre staff can't harm their chances. I hope that clears that up for you so you can stop feeling sorry for these queue jumpers.

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Reply #10 - Sep 25^th, 2011 at 7:57am

salad in wrote on Sep 25^th, 2011 at 7:30am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 10:51pm:

China was the biggest source of applicants, followed by Fiji, Pakistan and Iran, according to an Immigration Department report.

Sticking to the theory that we create refugees when did we invade China, Fiji, Pakistan and Iran?

The whole problem with the boats has nothing to do with border security, really HELLO!! the security rubbish was a political ploy used by Howard to scare everyone into believing that for our own safety we should forget human rights and the implied rights in our constitution and deny these people justice through our legal system because it was just plain too fair.

The boat are by the method of arriving without prior notice and without visa's in limbo until the people's aboard are able to make clear their intention to apply for asylum status. This fine point has been a spurious use of the truth by the supporters of a system of off shore processing.

In the end these people are no more or less vulnerable than the plane arrivals, they just can not obtain a visa generally because they are unable the create a lie about their intended visit. This would make the boat people more honest in a way, they arrive with a clear intention and don't lie to border security where as others deceive the customs systems at the airport then apply.

I don't and never will support uncontrolled immigration. This country does not need more people no matter what Gerry Harvey says. We do need to help these people with compassion though and not treat them as criminals, they are all the most vulnerable in the world but they need to understand it is help not immigration and that returning to help build their own countries and develop their own communities is the goal in the system. If we can educate them as builders, engineers, doctors even as bureaucrat's we will be able to help them improve their own homes and if we treat them with decency and kindness we might even create a friend.

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Maqqa Gold Member Offline 14% - that low?! Posts: 16000	Re: "Stop the BOATS " ? Reply #11 - Sep 25^th, 2011 at 8:31am If you post threads like this - you are deliberately giving the impression that arrivals by planes are treated the same as arrivals by boats please provide the process of both types of arrival in addition - by grouping plane arrivals with illegal boat arrivals you are deliberately trying to back Labor's policies with lies
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Reply #12 - Sep 25^th, 2011 at 9:27am

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 11:56pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 11:29pm:

So what? they are authorised arrivals.

They have gone through the immigration process and obtained a Visa.
People arriving by unauthorised boats are illegal. It's against the law. That is the issue. Border protection. Roll Eyes

NO
They HAVEN'T
They "sneak in the back door" via TOURIST VISAS - and THEN apply for asylum

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Monash University associate researcher Adrienne Millbank said it was virtually impossible for genuine asylum seekers to come by plane because of strict vetting of visa applicants by immigration authorities.

Ms Millbank said most people who arrived by air and then made refugee claims were manipulating the system to extend their stay in Australia.

"You can certainly say that these people are untruthful because they have to declare when they get a visa that they're not intending to apply for asylum," she said.

"They are no more deserving than the people who pay for people smugglers because in one case they are manipulating the system and in the other case they are trying to break in illegally"

... with a LOT more cash

SO SOMETHING NEED TO BE DONE REGARDING OUR VISITING VISA SYSTEM... DOESNT IT.. THE FACT IS THEY DIDNT PAY A CRIMINAL TO GET IN TO THIS COUNTRY.

WHY IS IT THE MAJOR POINTS ON THIS PROBLEM SEEM TO ESCAPE THE HARDLEFT..

IF ITS SO BLOODY EASY TO GET A VISITOR VISA.. WHY DO THEY COME BY DANGEROUS BOAT???????????????????????????????????

it would have to be cheaper to come by plane anyway...WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU????????

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Reply #13 - Sep 25^th, 2011 at 9:30am

cods wrote on Sep 25^th, 2011 at 9:27am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 11:56pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 11:29pm:

So what? they are authorised arrivals.

They have gone through the immigration process and obtained a Visa.
People arriving by unauthorised boats are illegal. It's against the law. That is the issue. Border protection. Roll Eyes

NO
They HAVEN'T
They "sneak in the back door" via TOURIST VISAS - and THEN apply for asylum

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Monash University associate researcher Adrienne Millbank said it was virtually impossible for genuine asylum seekers to come by plane because of strict vetting of visa applicants by immigration authorities.

Ms Millbank said most people who arrived by air and then made refugee claims were manipulating the system to extend their stay in Australia.

"You can certainly say that these people are untruthful because they have to declare when they get a visa that they're not intending to apply for asylum," she said.

"They are no more deserving than the people who pay for people smugglers because in one case they are manipulating the system and in the other case they are trying to break in illegally"

... with a LOT more cash

SO SOMETHING NEED TO BE DONE REGARDING OUR VISITING VISA SYSTEM... DOESNT IT.. THE FACT IS THEY DIDNT PAY A CRIMINAL TO GET IN TO THIS COUNTRY.

WHY IS IT THE MAJOR POINTS ON THIS PROBLEM SEEM TO ESCAPE THE HARDLEFT..

IF ITS SO BLOODY EASY TO GET A VISITOR VISA.. WHY DO THEY COME BY DANGEROUS BOAT???????????????????????????????????

it would have to be cheaper to come by plane anyway...WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU????????

It's not only far cheaper to come by plane, it's also by far much safer than a leaky boat on the open seas...

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Reply #14 - Sep 25^th, 2011 at 9:31am

salad in wrote on Sep 25^th, 2011 at 7:30am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 10:51pm:

China was the biggest source of applicants, followed by Fiji, Pakistan and Iran, according to an Immigration Department report.

Sticking to the theory that we create refugees when did we invade China, Fiji, Pakistan and Iran?

precisely... you beat me to it..makes total rubbish of all their we INVADED SO WE HAVE TO SUCK IT UP...crap.

well we are definately getting the multicutral country that they aspire too

in that case I am sure that will keep the bleeding heart society happy..

gosh fancy us INVADING China who would have thought it.

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